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[Clayless]

Parabolee77 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Now you have 2 options here: Proving me wrong or admiting that you have no proof but you still think she survives. As much as you don't like it, if you can't prove a claim, the other side can dismiss it. You can say "I think the Catalyst is a liar because I believe that EDI survives despite having no evidence to back this up" but you cannot state "The Catalyst is a liar because EDI survives".

We can however state that "The Catalyst is quite likely a liar and/or wrong as it claims Shepard will die, and Shepard does not die", can't we?

No, because it does not state Shepard will die.

[Mcfly616]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Master Che wrote...

I don't recognize it's authority and believe it has an ulterior motive.

What you choose to recognize is unfortunately irrelevant. Everything that is shown in the epilogues happens as he said it would, so I see no reason to assume they will make the parts that were not shown be contradictory.

Really? It happens as he says it would? Funny....that's sarcasm I hear right?

Because he was obviously telling the truth and knew what he was talking about when he implies Shepard will die due to his impants.......

And then we get the Breathe Scene.....

What was that you mentioned about "Contradictory"?

Modifié par Mcfly616, 03 mai 2012 - 08:47 .

[AtlasMickey]

Parabolee77 wrote...

Anyone that used EDI has one of their most used squad mates (the presumed method for who steps off the Normandy) fancy replaying the ending, choosing destroy and filming it?

I've done this. EDI walks out with my LI for the Control ending but does NOT walk out during the Destroy ending. She's replaced by Javik. 

EDI was the most important character in the game, next to Shepard herself. An unshackled AI, the equivalent of a live demon in the ME universe. Yes, I had her in every mission, talked to her at every opportunity. and NO she does NOT survive the Destroy ending.

[Clayless]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Master Che wrote...

I don't recognize it's authority and believe it has an ulterior motive.

What you choose to recognize is unfortunately irrelevant. Everything that is shown in the epilogues happens as he said it would, so I see no reason to assume they will make the parts that were not shown be contradictory.

Really? It happens as he says it would? Funny....that's sarcasm I hear right?

Because he was obviously telling the truth and knew what he was talking about when he implies Shepard will die due to his impants.......

And then we get the Breathe Scene.....

What was that you mentioned about "Contradictory"?

That's not contradictory.

May die and will die are not the same.

[PsyrenY]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Really? It happens as he says it would? Funny....that's sarcasm I hear right?

Because he was obviously telling the truth and knew what he was talking about when he implies Shepard will die due to his impants.......

And then we get the Breathe Scene.....

What was that you mentioned about "Contradictory"?

He never says Shepard will die, genius.
At best he says you might, and with low enough EMS you indeed do die.

[Mcfly616]

Really genius? Because it doesn't take a genius to see what he's getting at especially in the context of the conversation.....I'm not going to try to change your ridiculous logic.....you're just one of those people that doesn't believe a thing unless you hear it from the horse's mouth.....

[Clayless]

Anyway this is all irrelevant, this thread isn't for speculation, there are tons of other threads for that. In fact I've already got this written in the OP:

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

This thread isn't for speculating
whether or not EDI survives, nor discussing whether or not it's a bug,
it's to get out the information that she point blank doesn't survive the
destroy ending. There is zero proof of her surviving despite the
claim.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 03 mai 2012 - 08:57 .

[Mcfly616]

You're like one of those crazy fanatics that don't believe Bin Laden is dead because you didn't see a picture of his shot up face all over CNN haha....Optimystic you really are the biggest troll I've seen here.....you can't disprove my statements by applying your whack-job logic....sorry

[Parabolee77]

Wulfram wrote...

wombat_stalker wrote...

Brought EDI on every single groundside mission through an entire playthrough. Talked to her multiple times after every mission ended. Never picked up Prothy or VS, had no LI. Picked Destroy. Reloaded the end 5 times.

No EDI.

If you pick Control with the same character, does EDI show up?

Yes this! This is the important point. Have we confirmed EDI ever steps off that ship with a choice other than Synth?

And was your second most used squad member one of the ones that stepped off? Maybe the theory is wrong?

[Mcfly616]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Anyway this is all irrelevant, this thread isn't for speculation, there are tons of other threads for that. In fact I've already got this written in the OP:

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

This thread isn't for speculating
whether or not EDI survives, nor discussing whether or not it's a bug,
it's to get out the information that she point blank doesn't survive the
destroy ending. There is zero proof of her surviving despite the
claim.

Hate to break it to you, but if you haven't noticed, all we can do is speculate because theres no clear cut proof of anything shown in the ambiguous and vague endings....

[Clayless]

Mcfly616 wrote...

You're like one of those crazy fanatics that don't believe Bin Laden is dead because you didn't see a picture of his shot up face all over CNN haha....Optimystic you really are the biggest troll I've seen here.....you can't disprove my statements by applying your whack-job logic....sorry

No you CAN disprove me.

You CAN prove your positive assertion. I'm not asking you to prove the unprovable, I'm asking you to prove EDI survives the destroy ending by walking out of the Normandy.

Doing everything but showing proof of her walking out of the Normandy in the destroy ending will not prove she walks out of the Normandy in the destroy ending.

[KingNothing125]

One could probably pass a Bar exam after reading this thread, seeing as how like 75% of it is arguing over evidence and trial theory and who has the burden of proof (hint: it's the prosecution).

[Clayless]

Parabolee77 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

wombat_stalker wrote...

Brought EDI on every single groundside mission through an entire playthrough. Talked to her multiple times after every mission ended. Never picked up Prothy or VS, had no LI. Picked Destroy. Reloaded the end 5 times.

No EDI.

If you pick Control with the same character, does EDI show up?

Yes this! This is the important point. Have we confirmed EDI ever steps off that ship with a choice other than Synth?

And was your second most used squad member one of the ones that stepped off? Maybe the theory is wrong?

Yes, in fact I posted a video of her stepping off the Normandy in the Control ending a few pages back. Do you want me to go and find the video again?

[PsyrenY]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Really genius? Because it doesn't take a genius to see what he's getting at especially in the context of the conversation.....I'm not going to try to change your ridiculous logic.....you're just one of those people that doesn't believe a thing unless you hear it from the horse's mouth.....

If you don't know the difference between "may" and "will" then your grasp of english is too tenuous for us to have a meaningful conversation.

[refuse81]

I ... don't care. To hell with synthetics

[CmnDwnWrkn]

People wouldn't care about EDI dying or not dying if they didn't put her in a humanoid body. Same with the Geth.

[Verit]

Wulfram wrote...

wombat_stalker wrote...

Brought EDI on every single groundside mission through an entire playthrough. Talked to her multiple times after every mission ended. Never picked up Prothy or VS, had no LI. Picked Destroy. Reloaded the end 5 times.

No EDI.

If you pick Control with the same character, does EDI show up?

For what it's worth, I can confirm that if you get her to walk out of the Normandy in the Control ending, she won't walk out of the Normandy in Destroy. In a similar scenario, Garrus for example will exit in both Control and Destroy. I can only conclude EDI was in fact excluded from exiting the Normandy in Destroy.

But to conclude that this means EDI is definitely dead makes no sense. It's implied, yes, but that's all. Again, only the EC can answer the question about whether or not EDI survives.

[Mcfly616]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Really genius? Because it doesn't take a genius to see what he's getting at especially in the context of the conversation.....I'm not going to try to change your ridiculous logic.....you're just one of those people that doesn't believe a thing unless you hear it from the horse's mouth.....

If you don't know the difference between "may" and "will" then your grasp of english is too tenuous for us to have a meaningful conversation.

Haha funny. Thanks for proving my point though....he's either not being truthful OR he is not "All-Knowing"....otherwise "may" wouldn't have been implied.....because he's truthful and knows all as you say he does right?! Haha

[Parabolee77]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Really genius? Because it doesn't take a genius to see what he's getting at especially in the context of the conversation.....I'm not going to try to change your ridiculous logic.....you're just one of those people that doesn't believe a thing unless you hear it from the horse's mouth.....

If you don't know the difference between "may" and "will" then your grasp of english is too tenuous for us to have a meaningful conversation.

OK so that is very strong evidence against EDI survivng Destroy for me. However I have heard multiple people claim she did for them. So now I am 50/50.

Problem is the ending is so full of holes to start with, add to the fact that we really do not know what decides who steps off the Normandy other than LI and we certainly have uncertanty.

Also though when Bioware community manager Jessica Merizan was asked if it was a bug that EDI could survive the Destroy ending, she did not answer "I don't know"  or "let me check with the devs" or "she can't survive", no she said "Nope not a bug. EDI[/i] wasn't created with Reaper Tech.".

Let's not worry about the fact that the Catalyst said nothing about it only applying to Reaper tech for now.

While other responces make sense as "her own speculation", if something is or is not a bug should not be something open to speculation from her end.

So all we know for sure right now is so far we have been unable to confirm for sure that EDI can survive destroy. We just have claims that she can but no evidence.

[kyg_20X6]

The Shepard breathing scene, I believe, is to show you that with a high EMS the costs of 'destroy' aren't as high as the Starchild makes out. Since Shepard dies at lower EMS. It's possible they didn't want to add a variant Normandy cutscene just for that one particular ending (high EMS). It's possible she survived but the EVA body was destroyed by 'destroy'. So she's back to only ship form. It's possible in ship form that, since the Normandy is disabled (at least), she's not 'conscious'.

It's possible that since Tricia Helfer is doing more voice work that we'll get the answers in the EC.

[Parabolee77]

Parabolee77 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Really genius? Because it doesn't take a genius to see what he's getting at especially in the context of the conversation.....I'm not going to try to change your ridiculous logic.....you're just one of those people that doesn't believe a thing unless you hear it from the horse's mouth.....

If you don't know the difference between "may" and "will" then your grasp of english is too tenuous for us to have a meaningful conversation.

OK so that is very strong evidence against EDI survivng Destroy for me. However I have heard multiple people claim she did for them. So now I am 50/50.

Problem is the ending is so full of holes to start with, add to the fact that we really do not know what decides who steps off the Normandy other than LI and we certainly have uncertanty.

Also though when Bioware community manager Jessica Merizan was asked if it was a bug that EDI could survive the Destroy ending, she did not answer "I don't know"  or "let me check with the devs" or "she can't survive", no she said "Nope not a bug. EDI wasn't created with Reaper Tech.".

Let's not worry about the fact that the Catalyst said nothing about it only applying to Reaper tech for now.

While other responces make sense as "her own speculation", if something is or is not a bug should not be something open to speculation from her end.

So all we know for sure right now is so far we have been unable to confirm for sure that EDI can survive destroy. We just have claims that she can but no evidence.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

I love that most of BioWare appears to be confused by the endings as well.

[KingNothing125]

I swear I posted this in here already, but looking back through the pages, I can't find it (might have been a different thread), so I'll just post it again:

The other day I finished a playthrough specifically set up to test this. I brought EDI on every single mission, I talked to EDI between every single mission, and I helped EDI with her relationship with Joker. Simultaneously, I completely ignored every other squad member. Didn't talk to any of them a single time (Garrus even sent me an email on the Datapad iPhone app wondering if I had forgotten where the main battery was).

Picked Destroy ending, Liara walked out.
Reloaded, picked Control ending, EDI walked out.

Apart from manipulating the save game so that it thinks everyone is dead except for EDI, I don't know what more you can do to show that EDI can't walk out of the Normandy after the Destroy ending. (And even if she did, that wouldn't be acceptable data, considering you had to manipulate your experiment to get that result).

[PsyrenY]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha funny. Thanks for proving my point though....he's either not being truthful OR he is not "All-Knowing"....otherwise "may" wouldn't have been implied.....because he's truthful and knows all as you say he does right?! Haha

Who ever said he was "all-knowing?" 
He knows how the Crucible works, but not whether Shepard will survive (because Shepard is only "partly synthetic" - his exact words, in fact.)

[Clayless]

Parabolee77 wrote...

OK so that is very strong evidence against EDI survivng Destroy for me. However I have heard multiple people claim she did for them. So now I am 50/50.

Problem is the ending is so full of holes to start with, add to the fact that we really do not know what decides who steps off the Normandy other than LI and we certainly have uncertanty.

Also though when Bioware community manager Jessica Merizan was asked if it was a bug that EDI could survive the Destroy ending, she did not answer "I don't know"  or "let me check with the devs" or "she can't survive", no she said "Nope not a bug. EDI[/i] wasn't created with Reaper Tech.".

Let's not worry about the fact that the Catalyst said nothing about it only applying to Reaper tech for now.

While other responces make sense as "her own speculation", if something is or is not a bug should not be something open to speculation from her end.

So all we know for sure right now is so far we have been unable to confirm for sure that EDI can survive destroy. We just have claims that she can but no evidence.

Merizan is just the community manager. She said herself she was speculating, that quote for example shows that Merizan wasn't paying attention to the game as EDI is made from Reaper tech.

And you said you've heard people claim EDI survives, but how much of those people are claiming she survives because "they heard it" and how much people are claiming she survives because "they saw it"? 

As you can tell from this thread, only a handful of people are actually making the claim they saw it, and not one of them even attempted to try and prove it despite them being the best people to do it.