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[NM_Che56]

No body. No Evidence for dead OR alive. Not a hard concept to grasp.

Now, given the options presented, there is a good chance that neither EDI nor the Geth survived; however, that means putting all of your belief eggs in star brat's basket. Why is that a problem?

1) he started the cycle
2) he created the reapers
3) he controls the reapers
4) as evident by the past billion years, he's kinda married to the whole harvest organics plan.
5) he ignores the fact that Shepard brokered peace between organics and synthetics
6) his two alt options sound like what's been going on for cycles and cycles when you strip out the euphemisms.

[Clayless]

You don't need a body to know that someone is dead.

All of that is irrelevant too, you're deliberately trying to derail the thread, you can say the Catalyst is lying about the Crucible changing him, and is therefore lying about everything he says, but in hindsight we see everything he said was true. You can say "Despite everything else he said being true, I don't believe this one part because I never saw it happen" and that's absolutely fine, but it's not what this thread is about.

If you really want to discuss this then make a new thread, maybe I'll appear there, but stop trying to deliberately derail this thread with speculation.

Again, this is about proof of EDI stepping out of the Normandy, not speculation that she never died because you never saw it.

[Elyiia]

The evidence suggests she dies.
There is no evidence suggesting she lives.

[Parabolee77]

Elyiia wrote...

The evidence suggests she dies.
There is no evidence suggesting she lives.

There IS plenty of evidence to suggest that WE CAN NOT TRUST the Catalyst. And since we do not see that she dies there is no evidence either way!

What "evidence" do you claim supports her dying? The lying Ctalyst's claims? Or the lack of evidence she lives? Because that is not evidence.

[Elyiia]

Parabolee77 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

The evidence suggests she dies.
There is no evidence suggesting she lives.

There IS plenty of evidence to suggest that WE CAN NOT TRUST the Catalyst. And since we do not see that she dies there is no evidence either way!

What "evidence" do you claim supports her dying? The lying Ctalyst's claims? Or the lack of evidence she lives? Because that is not evidence.

No, Shepard cannot trust the Catalyst. We, the players, can see the aftermath of the options which show he's not lying.

If she lived, she would be able to walk out. She does not. She does not live.

[m2iCodeJockey]

The vids on the Anadius station seem to indicate there are parts of Sovereign in EDI/SR2 and Sovereign's code in EDI's code.
It's reasonable if EDI does not survive any of the three intact.

[NM_Che56]

Elyiia wrote...

The evidence suggests she dies.
There is no evidence suggesting she lives.

No body, no evidence.  Everything else is either:
1) Speculation
2) Hearsay
3) Circumstantial

[suusuuu]

I had a few "glitches" where EDI was alive in the cutscene at the end after destroy. It's pretty random and probably a bug that's why no one managed to film it and post on youtube. 

EDI was my perma teammate along with Garrus, when possible

Modifié par suusuuu, 04 mai 2012 - 04:44 .

[Taboo]

This argument is rather fallacious.

No she has not been proven to step out of the Normandy in the Destroy ending.

She has been confirmed to survive it by Patrick Weekes as well as the other writers.

[NM_Che56]

Taboo-XX wrote...

This argument is rather fallacious.

No she has not been proven to step out of the Normandy in the Destroy ending.

She has been confirmed to survive it by Patrick Weekes as well as the other writers.

Yep.  I remember reading those tweets.

[Clayless]

Master Che wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

This argument is rather fallacious.

No she has not been proven to step out of the Normandy in the Destroy ending.

She has been confirmed to survive it by Patrick Weekes as well as the other writers.

Yep.  I remember reading those tweets.

No she hasn't.

I swear people just glance at the title and skip the OP.

EDIT:

Also Master Che we'll also skip all the nonsense and I'll show you what you're doing:

Che: "EDI survived the destroy all synthetics ending"

Me "After some investigative journalism I've found no evidence of this, so I dismiss that claim and now say she dies. Here's the proof"

Che: "No she doesn't/you're spreading wrong information/I don't accept that as proof; she survives"

Me: "Prove it"

Che: "I can't, but (speculation)"

Me "Thread isn't for speculation, it's for proof, prove it"

Che: "I can't, but (speculation)"

*repeat*

You see what you're doing wrong? You think I'm wrong, you think she can survive, but you're not doing anything about it. If you want to prove me wrong then doing everything but proving me wrong is not the way to do it. This thread is designed to get the information that she doesn't survive, and it's just hearsay that she does, and if you don't like it you're supposed to prove me wrong.

Deliberately trying to derail the thread wont achieve that, I've told you how much times now that this thread isn't for speculation?

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 04 mai 2012 - 06:13 .

[Alent]

Just curious, we have pretty much established EDI doesn't survive the destroy ending, right? I mean, I haven't seen an unedited video or proof otherwise, so I was just check if this was a settled matter yet or not.

[Clayless]

Unfortunately not established enough.

[Parabolee77]

Elyiia wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

The evidence suggests she dies.
There is no evidence suggesting she lives.

There IS plenty of evidence to suggest that WE CAN NOT TRUST the Catalyst. And since we do not see that she dies there is no evidence either way!

What "evidence" do you claim supports her dying? The lying Ctalyst's claims? Or the lack of evidence she lives? Because that is not evidence.

No, Shepard cannot trust the Catalyst. We, the players, can see the aftermath of the options which show he's not lying.

If she lived, she would be able to walk out. She does not. She does not live.

Your logic is appaling.

First of all, yes we see the aftermath of the options (assuming they are not in Shepard's head) and he is proven to be wrong about Shepard dying for start. Did he lie? Possibly. We also DO NOT see the Geth dying OR EDI dying. So presuming he told the truth about them is niave.

In a war would you trust whatever the enemy tells you? Because make no mistake, The Catalyst is the enemy. By his claims he is the leader of the enemy! Someone you certainly do not just presume is telling the truth!

And more importantly, NOT seeing her step off the Normandy DOES NOT mean she is dead! Only 3 people out of your entire crew step off the Normandy. Are you saying that because of that all the others must be dead? By your logic....

If they were alive they would walk out. They do not. They do not live.

As I said, appaling logic.

[KingNothing125]

I'm pretty sure that this thread was supposed to be about EDI coming out of the Normandy, not metagame debate about whether the Destroy ending affects different types of synthetics.

[Llandru]

If I've read this thread correctly, people have been trying to test this by tilting the odds in favour of EDI exiting the Normandy in the last cutscene, and they've been trying to do this by having only the three required squadmates available (EDI, Liara and James) and high EMS. I haven't actually played through with low EMS, but according to wikia, if EMS is low enough then the squadmates you take with you on the run to the beam in London die from Harbinger's blast. So (paradoxically) perhaps you need low EMS for EDI to survive?

Has anyone tried taking Liara and James for the beam run with low EMS so they get killed, leaving only EDI, and then picking "Destroy"?

Modifié par Llandru, 04 mai 2012 - 08:55 .

[Clayless]

Llandru wrote...

If I've read this thread correctly, people have been trying to test this by tilting the odds in favour of EDI exiting the Normandy in the last cutscene, and they've been trying to do this by having only the three required squadmates available (EDI, Liara and James) and high EMS. I haven't actually played through with low EMS, but according to wikia, if EMS is low enough then the squadmates you take with you on the run to the beam in London die from Harbinger's blast. So (paradoxically) perhaps you need low EMS for EDI to survive?

Has anyone tried taking Liara and James for the beam run with low EMS so they get killed, leaving only EDI, and then picking "Destroy"?

That would still leave Cortez and Traynor.

[Llandru]

Apparently Cortez can be killed (again, according to wikia--I haven't done it myself). That would just leave Traynor and Joker alive as possible scene characters other than EDI (barring more minor Normandy crew members, or if the scene can happen with just two characters, neither of which have been documented AFAIK).

[Rashala]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I've heard, and by this stage I'm pressuming so have you, that EDI can survive the Destroy ending, but searches of Youtube keep on turning up blanks. That's strange for something that should be quite big, as it straight up shows the Catalyst wasn't accurate.

I've come to the realisation that she can't actually survive it, it's just hearsay with no proof. If someone can prove she does, by posting a video, please do I REALLY want to see it and I will edit the thread accordingly, but until then:

No don't believe the rumours, she can't survive.

28th of April Update:

A lot of stuff has already been covered but I'm just going to assume you wont read the thread so here's whats been covered:

Patrick Weekes never stated EDI could survive. Even in the unofficial interview.

Jessica Merizan has said herself that she's only speculating, people misintupreted her speculations for fact until she cleared it up.

This thread isn't for speculating whether or not EDI survives, nor discussing whether or not it's a bug, it's to get out the information that she point blank doesn't survive the destroy ending. There is zero proof of her surviving despite the claim.

May 1st Update:

I never added these videos beforehand because the default for the Destroy ending is EDI is dead, but here's the search "edi survives destroy ending mass effect 3" on Youtube, and here's all the destroy ending results from that:

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

Basically the main point of that was to show that Youtube confirms the default; EDI can't survive. There are tons of videos of normal boring endings, and tons of Shepard survivng, but not one single one of the absolutely massive event that would be EDI survivng. It's just hearsay and rumours people, EDI can't survive the destroy ending, we need to get the truth out there.

On a different note, I'm pleased to say this thread is now the top result on Google for "EDI survives destroy ending".

That was one of the reasons for me updating the OP, to give all those Googlers something to click on, without them having to go and search for themselves first.

And yet teh developers Say she survived and so she has....sorry

[Dawson14]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

The vids on the Anadius station seem to indicate there are parts of Sovereign in EDI/SR2 and Sovereign's code in EDI's code.
It's reasonable if EDI does not survive any of the three intact.

Did you even watch the synthesis ending? She lives just fine and walks off the Normandy with Joker

[Parabolee77]

Llandru wrote...

If I've read this thread correctly, people have been trying to test this by tilting the odds in favour of EDI exiting the Normandy in the last cutscene, and they've been trying to do this by having only the three required squadmates available (EDI, Liara and James) and high EMS. I haven't actually played through with low EMS, but according to wikia, if EMS is low enough then the squadmates you take with you on the run to the beam in London die from Harbinger's blast. So (paradoxically) perhaps you need low EMS for EDI to survive?

Has anyone tried taking Liara and James for the beam run with low EMS so they get killed, leaving only EDI, and then picking "Destroy"?

With low EMS only Joker exits the Normandy.

[Llandru]

Parabolee77 wrote...

Llandru wrote...
Has anyone tried taking Liara and James for the beam run with low EMS so they get killed, leaving only EDI, and then picking "Destroy"?

With low EMS only Joker exits the Normandy.

Ah, that'd explain a few things; thanks!

I still believe EDI survives Destroy, but it's looking increasingly like headcanon at this point.

Modifié par Llandru, 05 mai 2012 - 02:06 .

[Wabajakka]

Let's not forget EDI is still apart of the Normandy. Yes her body could be "dead". It's yet to be determined clearly due to BW's vagueness on the situation.

So if anything the state of the Normandy determines the state of EDI. Same goes for the Geth.

Software, not Hardware, what so many people are forgetting.

[Clayless]

Llandru wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...

Llandru wrote...
Has anyone tried taking Liara and James for the beam run with low EMS so they get killed, leaving only EDI, and then picking "Destroy"?

With low EMS only Joker exits the Normandy.

Ah, that'd explain a few things; thanks!

I still believe EDI survives Destroy, but it's looking increasingly like headcanon at this point.

Ah I totally forgot that with low EMS no one exits the Normandy.

[iHorizons]

EDI can survive the destroy ending thanks to "Space Magic"