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[Clayless]

Muhkida wrote...

I like the logical fail on this topic. "I don't see youtube videos of EDI surviving the destroy ending therefore it's false"

That's like saying, "Osama bin Laden likes baseball, therefore baseball is bad."

Also read my first post on this topic.

No it's not, it's like someone saying "EDI can survive the destroy ending" and me going "Prove it."

Upon seeing no proof of this claim I have rightly disregarded it. Unless you can show proof that she survives then it's prefectly reasonable to assume she doesn't, as every video you can find with the destroy ending shows that she doesn't survive.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 18 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[Armdin]

madzilla84 wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

If you have From Ashes, then the non-LI squadmate who comes out of the Normandy is always Javik.

I have From Ashes installed and I got Kaidan (LI) and Garrus with my Destroy ending, with high EMS (over 6000). (For Synthesis, same playthrough, I got EDI and Kaidan.) The choice of the second person in the Destroy ending seems to be kind of arbitrary for a lot of people - some get their most used squaddie, some always get Javik regardless and some have apparently just had random squaddies they've hardly used. So who knows, until EC? :/

I'll have to find the statement again, but apparently it goes by:
1) Love interest comes out first
2) Most spoken too Squaddie and/or
3) Squaddie taken out on the most missions
How its worked out if you've spoken to them all equally and rotate them around evenly, I haven't the foggiest.

Modifié par Armdin, 18 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[Muhkida]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

I like the logical fail on this topic. "I don't see youtube videos of EDI surviving the destroy ending therefore it's false"

That's like saying, "Osama bin Laden likes baseball, therefore baseball is bad."

Also read my first post on this topic.

No it's not, it's like someone saying "EDI can survive the destroy ending" and me going "Prove it."

Upon seeing no proof of this claim I have rightly disregarded it. Unless you can show proof that she survives then it's prefectly reasonable to assume she doesn't, as every video you can find with the destroy ending shows that she doesn't survive.

And your disregard of what Patrick Weekes mentioned shows that you can't admit being wrong

[Clayless]

MJF JD wrote...

I am dispelling his assertion that Javik will always come out with from ashes installed.  I do not need to remove my hard drive because his assertion was incorrect.  I am not trying to prove anything about EDI at this time.

I meant the plural you, not you personally sorry for the misunderstanding.

[TonViper]

D4rkSektor wrote...

Someone from BioWare has stated that Star Child isn't entirely truthful. The Geth and EDI can survive the destroy ending, just that their Reaper-based parts are destroyed. It makes me worry about EDI. I hope she doesn't turn into a dumb VI because of that.

I think the statement itself is bulls*** to begin with. How on earth can a pulse of energy distinguish between reaper tech and organic developed ai?

It could be something along the line of an EMP equivalent, in which case, not only AI's, but all tech would be deactivated, leading to everyone in space dying when their ships stop working. We know this is not the case, as Bioware has stated on twitter that the fleet stuck at earth will mostly survive, or something like that. Not to mention that Shepard himself can survive.

I am forced to conclude that either every piece of reaper tech has some kind of IFF tech in it that the pulse can communicate with, which is overly convoluted and unrealistic, or else the pulse is a magic beam that defies all known laws of physics.

Not to mention that most of the tech in existance at some level is based on the mass effect technology left by the Reapers along with the Relays themselves. There is no logical way for an unguided omnidirectional energy pulse to plausibly interact with only reaper tech as Bioware wants to define it in this context.

Just one more plothole to add to the ever growing list.

[Orthodox Infidel]

Muhkida wrote...

I like the logical fail on this topic. "I don't see youtube videos of EDI surviving the destroy ending therefore it's false"

That's like saying, "Osama bin Laden likes baseball, therefore baseball is bad."

Also read my first post on this topic.

Well, aside from his thread title and the way the OP originally states it, what he's really saying is that he wants a certain standard of evidence to be met before he'll accept the claim that EDI lives. Given the amount of totally unfounded speculation out there, I don't really blame him for doing this.

[Clayless]

Muhkida wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

I like the logical fail on this topic. "I don't see youtube videos of EDI surviving the destroy ending therefore it's false"

That's like saying, "Osama bin Laden likes baseball, therefore baseball is bad."

Also read my first post on this topic.

No it's not, it's like someone saying "EDI can survive the destroy ending" and me going "Prove it."

Upon seeing no proof of this claim I have rightly disregarded it. Unless you can show proof that she survives then it's prefectly reasonable to assume she doesn't, as every video you can find with the destroy ending shows that she doesn't survive.

And your disregard of what Patrick Weekes mentioned shows that you can't admit being wrong

I missed that, could you provide a link? Also is it a video or more hearsay?

[kalasaurus]

I'm trying to find video proof of this too, OP. It's too bad Javik always comes out in my playthroughs of the end after my LI. I like bringing EDI in the final run... Youtube so far has yielded no results.

[Kog12]

why the heck is Jessica Merizan even allowed to post stuff like that?

[Balmung31]

Armdin wrote...

If you're looking for hard evidence (a cut scene or something), then there isn't one. Until the Extended Cut DLC comes out, no one will know for certain. It's all guesswork at this point.

I like to think that if your EMS is high enough and you pushed EDI into a relationship with Joker, then she does indeed survive, as even though she was made of based on Reaper tech her personal development through ME2 and ME3 have changed her core programming enough so she survives. Tacky and cheesy, I know, but I love that AI. My hopes on the Geth aren't too high, but I really hope they survive too. I don't think I could pick up the game after that if I knew EDI and the Geth couldn't survive.

This is what I've come to believe, as well. 

EDI states at one point how she finds the Reapers "repulsive", and changes her self-preservation coding as a result. 

How does it work?  Why? 

I have no ****ing clue.  But at this point, I'm willing to just GO with it. 

[Muhkida]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

I like the logical fail on this topic. "I don't see youtube videos of EDI surviving the destroy ending therefore it's false"

That's like saying, "Osama bin Laden likes baseball, therefore baseball is bad."

Also read my first post on this topic.

No it's not, it's like someone saying "EDI can survive the destroy ending" and me going "Prove it."

Upon seeing no proof of this claim I have rightly disregarded it. Unless you can show proof that she survives then it's prefectly reasonable to assume she doesn't, as every video you can find with the destroy ending shows that she doesn't survive.

And your disregard of what Patrick Weekes mentioned shows that you can't admit being wrong

I missed that, could you provide a link? Also is it a video or more hearsay?

http://social.biowar.../index/11154234

It's vague, and it almost leaves me to believe that this is an oversight more than anything.  I'm not saying EDI is suppose to live because it's a bug with the gaming mechanics IMO.  This will probably be fixed in the DLC.

EDIT: and sorry, no videos.

Modifié par Muhkida, 18 avril 2012 - 01:41 .

[Orthodox Infidel]

madzilla84 wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

If you have From Ashes, then the non-LI squadmate who comes out of the Normandy is always Javik.

I have From Ashes installed and I got Kaidan (LI) and Garrus with my Destroy ending, with high EMS (over 6000). (For Synthesis, same playthrough, I got EDI and Kaidan.) The choice of the second person in the Destroy ending seems to be kind of arbitrary for a lot of people - some get their most used squaddie, some always get Javik regardless and some have apparently just had random squaddies they've hardly used. So who knows, until EC? :/

I have yet to see anyone with any actual *proof* of EDI surviving Destroy though - no screenshots, vids, blurry photos of the TV, nothing.

Ok, that's weird, because when I pick destroy I always get Javik, but when I pick Control I get Garrus. For the same character at over 7000 EMS. Both of the have Liara as LI, and Liara always appears. And this was a playthrough where I used Garrus and Liara more than everyone else.

It's conflicting text like this why the OP wants to see the video.

[Clayless]

Muhkida wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/11154234

It's vague, and it almost leaves me to believe that this is an oversight more than anything.  I'm not saying EDI is suppose to live because it's a bug with the gaming mechanics IMO.  This will probably be fixed in the DLC.

EDIT: and sorry, no videos.

You're talking about this?

-Why can EDI survive the Destroy ending?

We argued a lot about this, I said that she was made of Reapertech and should therefore be destroyed, but (unclear, don't remember - wish I'd been able to ask a followup as his response doesn't make much sense)

Judging by that comment it seems they agreed with him, and eventually settled on having EDI be destroyed. That's not proof that she can survive, it's just vague evidence that shows the developers argued about whether or not she should be able to survive, and judging from all the evidence we have, finally settled on her dying.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 18 avril 2012 - 01:48 .

[Muhkida]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/11154234

It's vague, and it almost leaves me to believe that this is an oversight more than anything.  I'm not saying EDI is suppose to live because it's a bug with the gaming mechanics IMO.  This will probably be fixed in the DLC.

EDIT: and sorry, no videos.

You're talking about this?

-Why can EDI survive the Destroy ending?

We argued a lot about this, I said that she was made of Reapertech and should therefore be destroyed, but (unclear, don't remember - wish I'd been able to ask a followup as his response doesn't make much sense)

Judging by that comment it seems they agreed with him, and eventually settled on having EDI be destroyed. That's not proof that she can survive, it's just vague evidence that shows the developers argued about whether or not she should be able to survive, and judging from all the evidence we have, finally settled on her dying.

Do you see what I see?

[Clayless]

Muhkida wrote...

Do you see what I see?

Of course but look at it like this:

-Why can EDI survive the Destroy ending?

We argued a lot about this, I said that she was made of Reapertech and should therefore be destroyed, but (X argued that she wasn't fully a Reaper so therefore shouldn't be destroyed. After a lot of debate we finally settled on the fact that she shouldn't be able to survive the destory ending, because ultimately she was an AI and even had Reaper tech in her like the Geth and Reapers).

That is a possible outcome of that conversation. Everything in the game actually points to that being the outcome, as there is no proof that EDI can survive.

Hearsay like that can be misinturpreted, until there is actual evidence of her surviving it's clear that she dies in the destroy ending.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 18 avril 2012 - 02:00 .

[Muhkida]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Do you see what I see?

Of course but look at it like this:

-Why can EDI survive the Destroy ending?

We argued a lot about this, I said that she was made of Reapertech and should therefore be destroyed, but (X argued that she wasn't fully a Reaper so therefore shouldn't be destroyed. After a lot of debate we finally settled on the fact that she shouldn't be able to survive the destory ending, because ultimately she was an AI and even had Reaper tech in her like the Geth and Reapers).

That is a possible outcome of that conversation. Everything in the game actually points to that being the outcome, as there is no proof that EDI can survive.

Hearsay like that can be misinturpreted, until there is actual evidence of her surviving it's clear that she dies in the destroy ending.

You're either purposely twisting things or you just simply don't understand the subjects in the dialogue.

Why can EDI survive the Destroy ending? - Asked by fan
We = the developers
I = Patrick Weekes

[Delta_V2]

Personally, I think EDI surviving Destroy was a bug and Bioware is just rolling with it after so many people have gotten upset over the bleakness of the endings.

Reasoning: When she does survive Destroy, she occupies one of the two squad slots, but in Synthesis, she emerges next to Joker. What that tells me is that picking Destroy is supposed to flag her as dead, but that gets overridden by the process used to determine which two squadmates to show emerging from the Normandy. That process appears to select the squadmates you have the best relationships with, so it will always pick your LI if you have one, and then whoever appears to be your 'best friend'. If EDI has a high relationship status, she gets picked even if she is suppsoedly dead.

I have also heard of people seeing Tali walk off the Normandy even after she committed suicide on Rannoch, which would further indicate a bug in that scene that ignores certain flags.

[Unholyknight800]

Delta_V2 wrote...

Personally, I think EDI surviving Destroy was a bug and Bioware is just rolling with it after so many people have gotten upset over the bleakness of the endings.

Reasoning: When she does survive Destroy, she occupies one of the two squad slots, but in Synthesis, she emerges next to Joker. What that tells me is that picking Destroy is supposed to flag her as dead, but that gets overridden by the process used to determine which two squadmates to show emerging from the Normandy. That process appears to select the squadmates you have the best relationships with, so it will always pick your LI if you have one, and then whoever appears to be your 'best friend'. If EDI has a high relationship status, she gets picked even if she is suppsoedly dead.

I have also heard of people seeing Tali walk off the Normandy even after she committed suicide on Rannoch, which would further indicate a bug in that scene that ignores certain flags.

Actually preferred squadmates emerge from the ship, though the first slot can be overriden by yor LI.

[Clayless]

Muhkida wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Do you see what I see?

Of course but look at it like this:

-Why can EDI survive the Destroy ending?

We argued a lot about this, I said that she was made of Reapertech and should therefore be destroyed, but (X argued that she wasn't fully a Reaper so therefore shouldn't be destroyed. After a lot of debate we finally settled on the fact that she shouldn't be able to survive the destory ending, because ultimately she was an AI and even had Reaper tech in her like the Geth and Reapers).

That is a possible outcome of that conversation. Everything in the game actually points to that being the outcome, as there is no proof that EDI can survive.

Hearsay like that can be misinturpreted, until there is actual evidence of her surviving it's clear that she dies in the destroy ending.

You're either purposely twisting things or you just simply don't understand the subjects in the dialogue.

Why can EDI survive the Destroy ending? - Asked by fan
We = the developers
I = Patrick Weekes

Yeah the fan asks that question, Patrick says the developers argued about it, then he begins to say his argument he made, then the fan mentions they don't remember the rest of it, which is important because the rest of it is most likely about what the other developers argued.

You could say, by using that piece of incomplete information, that they went on to say "Yes, EDI will survive" but that would be your only evidence. You could also say that they went on to say "No, EDI can't survive" and you would have evidence you back you up.

For example you're making the claim that they eventually came to the conclusion that EDI can survive, therefore EDI survives. You would then have nothing else to back this up.

I claim that they eventually came to the conclusion that EDI dies, and I do have evidence to back me up, as every video on the destroy ending shows her not surviving. There are even people that claim she can survive, but there are no videos showing this.

This is what this thread is about, putting an end to rumours and hearsay and using proof to back up the claim that EDI dies.

[TreguardD]

Talky and Techy Sci-Fi. How do you make an EMP burst that specific?

[Clayless]

TreguardD wrote...

Talky and Techy Sci-Fi. How do you make an EMP burst that specific?

Please use another thread to discuss that, as it is not what this thread is about.

[Mcfly616]

I think he's purposely twisting it to back up his denial....or something weird like that....he did it with my post earlier in the thread

[Delta_V2]

Unholyknight800 wrote...
Actually preferred squadmates emerge from the ship, though the first slot can be overriden by yor LI.

There still seems to be some confusion over this, and I'm mostly going off what other people have said.  My last playthrough ended up with Ashley (my LI), and Garrus (who came on a lot of missions, but I also talked to him all the time), so my experience doesn't help.  From what I've heard, talking to squadmates on the Normandy plays a bigger role than taking them on missions.  Example: if you never take Garrus on a mission, but talk to him between every mission and don't talk to anyone else, Garrus will walk out at the end.  Or so I've heard.

[Muhkida]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Do you see what I see?

Of course but look at it like this:

-Why can EDI survive the Destroy ending?

We argued a lot about this, I said that she was made of Reapertech and should therefore be destroyed, but (X argued that she wasn't fully a Reaper so therefore shouldn't be destroyed. After a lot of debate we finally settled on the fact that she shouldn't be able to survive the destory ending, because ultimately she was an AI and even had Reaper tech in her like the Geth and Reapers).

That is a possible outcome of that conversation. Everything in the game actually points to that being the outcome, as there is no proof that EDI can survive.

Hearsay like that can be misinturpreted, until there is actual evidence of her surviving it's clear that she dies in the destroy ending.

You're either purposely twisting things or you just simply don't understand the subjects in the dialogue.

Why can EDI survive the Destroy ending? - Asked by fan
We = the developers
I = Patrick Weekes

Yeah the fan asks that question, Patrick says the developers argued about it, then he begins to say his argument he made, then the fan mentions they don't remember the rest of it, which is important because the rest of it is most likely about what the other developers argued.

You could say, by using that piece of incomplete information, that they went on to say "Yes, EDI will survive" but that would be your only evidence. You could also say that they went on to say "No, EDI can't survive" and you would have evidence you back you up.

For example you're making the claim that they eventually came to the conclusion that EDI can survive, therefore EDI survives. You would then have nothing else to back this up.

I claim that they eventually came to the conclusion that EDI dies, and I do have evidence to back me up, as every video on the destroy ending shows her not surviving. There are even people that claim she can survive, but there are no videos showing this.

This is what this thread is about, putting an end to rumours and hearsay and using proof to back up the claim that EDI dies.

Then we can only agree to disagree, I can't force you to get past your confirmation bias. 

We just are going to have to wait for the DLC.

[Thorn Harvestar]

A more truthful title would be "No Proof that EDI survives Destroy ending". Because there hasn't been video proof yet, just posts.

Personally, I think it strange that so many people would lie about it, so I tend to believe that it is a (rare) possibility.