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[lillitheris]

TonViper wrote...

D4rkSektor wrote...

Someone from BioWare has stated that Star Child isn't entirely truthful. The Geth and EDI can survive the destroy ending, just that their Reaper-based parts are destroyed. It makes me worry about EDI. I hope she doesn't turn into a dumb VI because of that.

I think the statement itself is bulls*** to begin with. How on earth can a pulse of energy distinguish between reaper tech and organic developed ai?

That's a little silly. It would actually be much easier for it to distinguish reaper code signatures than any and all synthetic life (starting from “what IS considered synthetic life”.

They're backtracking, and that's good. My ending musings (signature) use reaper code targeting for the destroy.

[Stygian1]

If by CAN'T you mean CAN, then yeah you are right.

Its BS, but BioWare has spoken...

[Clayless]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think he's purposely twisting it to back up his denial....or something weird like that....he did it with my post earlier in the thread

Look at it logically:

The fan asked why she can survive. This means the fan either has proof that she can survive (I'll PM him asking for this proof) or he believes that she can.

Patrick then goes on to answer that question, starting by saying there was a lot of debate among the developers on whether she should or shouldn't survive, but most crucially, the end of that sentence is missing, which means you'd have to jump to a conclusion on how it ended.

Now you could assume it ended with the developers agreeing she should survive, and therefore she does, but you would also have to admit that you have no other evidence to back this up, only your assumption on how that sentence ended.

Or you could assume it ended with the developers agreeing she should die, and therefore she does, and you could also present other evidence from the game to back you up.

People could disagree with you, say she does survive, so you could as them to provide proof for that claim. That is what I am doing. People are making the claim that EDI can survive the destroy ending, but no one is actually presenting proof to back this up.

[eddieoctane]

GLR-0053 wrote...

I thought Star Child already mentioned that "All synthetic life including the Geth." So there you have it and EDI is technically Synthetic so yeah can't have an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

Well, she is based on Reaper tech. I guess that makes her partly organic.

Then there's the "if you want to" caveat Star-jar throws in. Maybe I didn't want to. I just wanted to assplode the Reapers, so EDI and the Geth go on just fine.

[DxWill103]

Me thinks she survives if Shepard has EDI as the most used squad mate, and picks the destroy ending.  Because the cut scene is scripted to show the most used squad mate exiting the Normandy. Me thinks Bioware did not account for this simple discrepancy of a player using EDI the most AND choosing the destroy ending, which explicitly states will destroy all synthetic life, and are now unsure of how to explain this.

Modifié par DxWill103, 18 avril 2012 - 02:35 .

[Clayless]

Muhkida wrote...

Then we can only agree to disagree, I can't force you to get past your confirmation bias. 

We just are going to have to wait for the DLC.

No we don't have to wait for the DLC, in fact people can prove she survives right now. This isn't a big unknowable thing I'm asking for, I'm simply asking for the people that say she can survive to provide proof and not hearsay, preferably a video.

[Clayless]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

A more truthful title would be "No Proof that EDI survives Destroy ending". Because there hasn't been video proof yet, just posts.

Personally, I think it strange that so many people would lie about it, so I tend to believe that it is a (rare) possibility.

Don't assume the people that believe she can survive are lying, it's most likely that they think she can survive but are just believing hearsay like you are for example.

[Armdin]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

No we don't have to wait for the DLC, in fact people can prove she survives right now. This isn't a big unknowable thing I'm asking for, I'm simply asking for the people that say she can survive to provide proof and not hearsay, preferably a video.

At the time of this quote, over 1000 have looked at this thread and not one has posted a video or something equally concrete. What does that tell you? I'm afraid we will have to wait.

[Mcfly616]

Well apparently Shepard has reaper tech in him....so, technically he shouldn't be able to survive the "Destroy" ending either....but he does....

Do you really think Star Jar is worth his salt?!

[Delta_V2]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...


Don't assume the people that believe she can survive are lying, it's most likely that they think she can survive but are just believing hearsay like you are for example.

I've never gotten it myself, but I've heard from multiple people who have witnessed it.  The most common version was something along the lines of "Uh, guys, why did EDI just walk out of my Destroy ending?  I didn't think that was supposed to happen.  Is this a bug? \\soconfused"  These people were not out there making wild claims, but rather asking for clarification for something that they witnessed.  I have no reason to distrust them.

[Clayless]

Delta_V2 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...


Don't assume the people that believe she can survive are lying, it's most likely that they think she can survive but are just believing hearsay like you are for example.

I've never gotten it myself, but I've heard from multiple people who have witnessed it.  The most common version was something along the lines of "Uh, guys, why did EDI just walk out of my Destroy ending?  I didn't think that was supposed to happen.  Is this a bug? soconfused"  These people were not out there making wild claims, but rather asking for clarification for something that they witnessed.  I have no reason to distrust them.

If you could find these people could you ask them to replay the ending? Because it saves right before the end everything should be identical, simply replaying it would produce the same results but with a video camera or phone on hand it would be enough proof to show she survives.

[the red boon]

EDI survived because she had Joker's sauce in her hence making her semi organic.

[ArchDuck]

Kog12 wrote...

why the heck is Jessica Merizan even allowed to post stuff like that?

Misdirection and speculation.

[Clayless]

There we go I PM'd that guy that asked that question to Patrick.

[Quietness]

Sorry i guess i should have picked my jaw up off the floor long enough to load fraps which i always have running....... oh wait no i dont.

Edit: and before the well why dont you go back through. I have and each time i get some other random perso including people which i have never brought to a mission... so i assumed i would have to replay all of priority earth, and even than i had glitches like EDI not even showing up at the forward basecamp.

Modifié par Quietness, 18 avril 2012 - 03:26 .

[Clayless]

Edit:

I replied before your edit. Unfortunately we'll need proof as your word wont be enough.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 18 avril 2012 - 03:29 .

[Bellarmine360]

Just one of MANY plot holes that were present... All of which Bioware and EA seem to just want to ignore and mask with PR and political BS...

[Quietness]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Edit:

I replied before your edit. Unfortunately we'll need proof as your word wont be enough.

Sorry i've wasted enough time, i dont really care if people take my word for it. Honestly im still convinced it was a bug after having all sorts of stupid crap like Femshep going non-voiced and saying "STEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE" in the subtitles, people not showing up at basecamp (EDI as well as a few others) or people who i didnt even talk to or use on a mission (Javik im lookin at you buddy) walk off the ship.

[Clayless]

Bellarmine360 wrote...

Just one of MANY plot holes that were present... All of which Bioware and EA seem to just want to ignore and mask with PR and political BS...

Please if you have evidence for EDI surviving could you provide it?

[Delta_V2]

Quietness wrote...


Edit: and before the well why dont you go back through. I have and each time i get some other random perso including people which i have never brought to a mission... so i assumed i would have to replay all of priority earth, and even than i had glitches like EDI not even showing up at the forward basecamp.

Yeah, I just reloaded a save where I had Ashley and Garrus walk out after picking Destroy.  I picked Destroy again, and this time I got Ashley and.....Javik?   Picking Control led to yet another combination.  The hell is going on with this scene?  Just a few posts ago, I was theorizing about how it chooses squadmates, but now I have absolutely no idea.  I thought it was at least consistent within each game and based upon some relationship meter, but now I almost think it is just completely freaking random.

This might be partly why no one has specifically upload an EDI lives ending, since specific combinations are apparently a PITA to reproduce.

Can we get someone who knows how to did through the game files to try and figure out how the squadmates are selected at the end?  I'd try and figure it out, but I'm on XBox.

[Mcfly616]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think he's purposely twisting it to back up his denial....or something weird like that....he did it with my post earlier in the thread

Look at it logically:

The fan asked why she can survive. This means the fan either has proof that she can survive (I'll PM him asking for this proof) or he believes that she can.

Patrick then goes on to answer that question, starting by saying there was a lot of debate among the developers on whether she should or shouldn't survive, but most crucially, the end of that sentence is missing, which means you'd have to jump to a conclusion on how it ended.

Now you could assume it ended with the developers agreeing she should survive, and therefore she does, but you would also have to admit that you have no other evidence to back this up, only your assumption on how that sentence ended.

Or you could assume it ended with the developers agreeing she should die, and therefore she does, and you could also present other evidence from the game to back you up.

People could disagree with you, say she does survive, so you could as them to provide proof for that claim. That is what I am doing. People are making the claim that EDI can survive the destroy ending, but no one is actually presenting proof to back this up.

Actually the logical answer is that its relatively rare, and that the average gamer probably works for a living and.doesn't have the time to play a game with camcorder in hand in order to upload it to YouTube....like me....are you saying I haven't seen it? Because I know what my eyes have seen....and I'm obviously not the only one....idk why people would make such a thing up....

[Quietness]

Delta_V2 wrote...

Quietness wrote...


Edit: and before the well why dont you go back through. I have and each time i get some other random perso including people which i have never brought to a mission... so i assumed i would have to replay all of priority earth, and even than i had glitches like EDI not even showing up at the forward basecamp.

Yeah, I just reloaded a save where I had Ashley and Garrus walk out after picking Destroy.  I picked Destroy again, and this time I got Ashley and.....Javik?   Picking Control led to yet another combination.  The hell is going on with this scene?  Just a few posts ago, I was theorizing about how it chooses squadmates, but now I have absolutely no idea.  I thought it was at least consistent within each game and based upon some relationship meter, but now I almost think it is just completely freaking random.

This might be partly why no one has specifically upload an EDI lives ending, since specific combinations are apparently a PITA to reproduce.

Can we get someone who knows how to did through the game files to try and figure out how the squadmates are selected at the end?  I'd try and figure it out, but I'm on XBox.

At this point im convinced it goes Eenie Meenie Miney Moe after all the just aggrivating bugs/glitches ive seen replaying the ending a few times on that playthrough.

[Mcfly616]

And again, I'm not sure why you doubt that the Starchild was untruthful with you....he literally states that Shepard has Reaper tech in him(implying he will die along with the Geth and EDI) if he chooses destroy....


I really don't see whats so hard to grasp....you see Shepard live even with Reaper tech....and yes that is Shepard breathing in the rubble...and yes he is alive(as stated on page 323 of the strategy guide)....

if Shepard can survive with reaper tech, why can't EDI? What's to say that the Starchild wasnt lying?

Modifié par Mcfly616, 18 avril 2012 - 03:50 .

[Clayless]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Actually the logical answer is that its relatively rare, and that the average gamer probably works for a living and.doesn't have the time to play a game with camcorder in hand in order to upload it to YouTube....like me....are you saying I haven't seen it? Because I know what my eyes have seen....and I'm obviously not the only one....idk why people would make such a thing up....

That unfortunately is not a reasonable excuse. People have the time to go through 3 games and craft the IT theory, people have time to film all the endings and post compare videos, people have the time to just post their endng, yet no one has the time to post an "EDI survives the destroy ending", something that's quite big and should be everywhere?

It's nothing personal against you but your claim that you saw EDI survive can easily be dismissed as you aren't providing any evidence to back it up. If you make a claim then you should be able to prove it, lack of proof and the reasoning that "people don't have the time to prove it" isn't proof unfortunately.

I fully support you proving it though, and if you do I will update my OP and give you full credit.

[idunhavaname]

Merrizen and Weekes said she can survive.