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[TJX2045]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

No don't believe the rumours, she can't survive.

Until the EC comes out we have no true idea especially if you're like me and believe the Catalyst is full of #$%@ and having a superiority complex.

There have been reports of EDI coming out during the Destroy ending though, that I know is true.

Modifié par TJX2045, 18 avril 2012 - 07:10 .

[TexasToast712]

DrDino wrote...

He also said Shepard would die.

This.

Starchild is a liar. This is why I had no problems with picking destroy. He doesn't want to die (because he is a A.I.) so he tries to use the Geth, EDI, and your life as leverage.

[Clayless]

Uh I have a funny feeling I'm going to be spinning this prove it thing forever, as no one seems to be able to.

[Clayless]

TJX2045 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

No don't believe the rumours, she can't survive.

There have been reports of EDI coming out during the Destroy ending though, that I know is true.

There have been reports of it but no actual evidence or proof, that's what this thread is about, someone proving that she can survive the destroy ending rather than everyone blindly listening to hearsay.

[TJX2045]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

There have been reports of it but no actual evidence or proof, that's what this thread is about, someone proving that she can survive the destroy ending rather than everyone blindly listening to hearsay.

Well that's the thing.  Until the EC comes out and proves one way or another, all we have is lots of speculation.  Or unrecorded proof.

Modifié par TJX2045, 18 avril 2012 - 07:31 .

[Calamity]

 Starbrat doesnt actually say it will wipe out all geth. He says "You can destroy all synthetic life, if you want. Even the geth."

[Clayless]

TJX2045 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

There have been reports of it but no actual evidence or proof, that's what this thread is about, someone proving that she can survive the destroy ending rather than everyone blindly listening to hearsay.

Well that's the thing.  Until the EC comes out and proves one way or another, all we have is lots of speculation.  Or unrecorded proof.

Well technically you could prove that EDI can survive the destroy ending by showing her walking out the Normandy. You don't need the EC for that.

[The Protheans]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

TJX2045 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

There have been reports of it but no actual evidence or proof, that's what this thread is about, someone proving that she can survive the destroy ending rather than everyone blindly listening to hearsay.

Well that's the thing.  Until the EC comes out and proves one way or another, all we have is lots of speculation.  Or unrecorded proof.

Well technically you could prove that EDI can survive the destroy ending by showing her walking out the Normandy. You don't need the EC for that.

Why don't you do a playthrough using the right parameters.
Use Gib editor to kill everyone but Vega, Liara and EDI and see for yourself

Modifié par The Protheans, 18 avril 2012 - 07:44 .

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Scene, if you really want damning evidence, one way or another, you should do what a previous poster suggested: play through the campaign again, only speak with EDI, take her on all the missons. Then, replay the ending a few times and see the variances of the people who come out of the Normandy.

Your asking for people to spend 20 hours playing through the campaign to get a very specific ending, about a point most don't really care about. I think it would be pretty fair for you to do it, seeing as how you obviously care about this issue. Plus, first hand evidence, who can beat that?

Just be sure to not have a LI, that seems to be one of the dividing factors for who walks out of the Normandy. If you do everything above, you should have a pretty good chance of getting the EDI ending; if it exists. Also, you may want to make sure your EMS is at a decent level, because that very well might have something to do with it. A few easy MP games can achieve this quite easily.

[Clayless]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Scene, if you really want damning evidence, one way or another, you should do what a previous poster suggested: play through the campaign again, only speak with EDI, take her on all the missons. Then, replay the ending a few times and see the variances of the people who come out of the Normandy.

Your asking for people to spend 20 hours playing through the campaign to get a very specific ending, about a point most don't really care about. I think it would be pretty fair for you to do it, seeing as how you obviously care about this issue. Plus, first hand evidence, who can beat that?

Just be sure to not have a LI, that seems to be one of the dividing factors for who walks out of the Normandy. If you do everything above, you should have a pretty good chance of getting the EDI ending; if it exists. Also, you may want to make sure your EMS is at a decent level, because that very well might have something to do with it. A few easy MP games can achieve this quite easily.

You see there's the problem:

People believe that she can survive despite the fact there's no evidence of her surviving. If I were to play through it and found no evidence of her surviving then all I would have done is wasted my time, as people already believe she can survive with no evidence, and all this will do is make people go "Well you obviously never did everything right". The lack of evidence of her surviving is enough evidence to prove to people she can survive, so playing the game and finding a lack of evidence wont change their minds.

Instead I made this thread making the claim that no, she can't survive, and if anyone is making the claim that she can survive would they kindly prove me wrong. I REALLY want people to provide evidence for their claims, but instead even Google and Youtube are turning up blanks, and the few people that have said they did see her walk out are refusing to prove it, and are instead telling me to prove it myself. Doesn't that seem suspicious to you?

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 18 avril 2012 - 07:55 .

[ZiegenkonigIII]

I would quote you, but my iPod doesn't allow that. Honestly, I really couldn't care less about this issue. However, how can you expect other people to waste their time proving your wrong about a topic they don't care about, when you, who does care about it, won't take the time to prove your right.

If you take those steps, you won't have wasted your time, you would have even more evidence to support you. Most people wouldn't be able to deny it either. You can't expect people to spend time on a point when you won't even do it.

[Elyiia]

The Javik conversation bug where he can jump to the highest relationship level from a single conversation doesn't help. Neither does the fact that Control and Destroy have the exact same cutscene so even if you did have a video of it, you could call fake.

[The Protheans]

Really its not a big issue and no one cares that much.
There's plenty of endings up already.
If you care that much about it you could always use the save editor to edit you save before you start retake earth and see for yourself and then upload the ending of EDI surviving.

Modifié par The Protheans, 18 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[Clayless]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

I would quote you, but my iPod doesn't allow that. Honestly, I really couldn't care less about this issue. However, how can you expect other people to waste their time proving your wrong about a topic they don't care about, when you, who does care about it, won't take the time to prove your right.

If you take those steps, you won't have wasted your time, you would have even more evidence to support you. Most people wouldn't be able to deny it either. You can't expect people to spend time on a point when you won't even do it.

Because if you make a claim the burden of proof is on you. You can't make a claim and then expect the other person to prove it, it's the other persons job to disprove your claim.

If I made the claim that Javik, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Ashley, Kaidan or Vega can't survive the destroy ending I'm sure I'd be disproven quite quickly, but I'm making the claim that EDI can't survive the destroy ending, and I have evidence to back me up, and no one has shown proof otherwise.

[The Protheans]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

I would quote you, but my iPod doesn't allow that. Honestly, I really couldn't care less about this issue. However, how can you expect other people to waste their time proving your wrong about a topic they don't care about, when you, who does care about it, won't take the time to prove your right.

If you take those steps, you won't have wasted your time, you would have even more evidence to support you. Most people wouldn't be able to deny it either. You can't expect people to spend time on a point when you won't even do it.

Because if you make a claim the burden of proof is on you. You can't make a claim and then expect the other person to prove it, it's the other persons job to disprove your claim.

If I made the claim that Javik, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Ashley, Kaidan or Vega can't survive the destroy ending I'm sure I'd be disproven quite quickly, but I'm making the claim that EDI can't survive the destroy ending, and I have evidence to back me up, and no one has shown proof otherwise.

What evidence do you have?
No one could prove Vega survived, if you did as I said you will notice this.
Vega is like the last crew member on the list to come out.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Your asking someone to spend 20 hours of their lives to prove a point over the Internet. Not many people would do that, if any. You don't have evidence by the way, for all you know it could be pure coincidence that no videos are up of the destroy ending with EDI. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with you on this, because they way it looks so far is that EDI does get destroyed. However, I'm not 100% certain seeing as how you have to account for coincidence and first hand accounts.

Also, if you make a claim your perfectly fine for reinforcing it, which is what you would be doing. It's not a one way street, especially if you can find damning evidence to support you. Just don't expect anyone to go and spend 20 hours of their lives to prove a point they don't care about, is all I'm saying.

[Clayless]

The Protheans wrote...

What evidence do you have?
No one could prove Vega survived, if you did as I said you will notice this.
Vega is like the last crew member on the list to come out.

www.youtube.com/watch

There is a video of Vega surviving the destroy ending. Why can't anyone do that for EDI? That took me a few minutes at most to find that.

[Dead_Meat357]

D4rkSektor wrote...

Someone from BioWare has stated that Star Child isn't entirely truthful. The Geth and EDI can survive the destroy ending, just that their Reaper-based parts are destroyed. It makes me worry about EDI. I hope she doesn't turn into a dumb VI because of that.

Also Tali confirms that the Quarians have cybernetic upgrades. Exactly what the cut off for what counts as synthetic is as clear as mud. The AI child also says that Shepard will die in the destroy ending but doesn't. I wouldn't take any thing it says as truthful. It's too bad Shepard seems to believe it without question.

[Clayless]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Your asking someone to spend 20 hours of their lives to prove a point over the Internet. Not many people would do that, if any. You don't have evidence by the way, for all you know it could be pure coincidence that no videos are up of the destroy ending with EDI. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with you on this, because they way it looks so far is that EDI does get destroyed. However, I'm not 100% certain seeing as how you have to account for coincidence and first hand accounts.

Also, if you make a claim your perfectly fine for reinforcing it, which is what you would be doing. It's not a one way street, especially if you can find damning evidence to support you. Just don't expect anyone to go and spend 20 hours of their lives to prove a point they don't care about, is all I'm saying.

Which is fine, but those people who don't want to spend time proving their point should also know that, until proven otherwise, EDI does actually die in the destroy ending.

There has been too much mentions of her surviving but there seems to be no evidence whatsoever to support that. Something that huge should have evidence to back it up, instead it just appears to be hearsay that isn't true.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 18 avril 2012 - 08:24 .

[ZiegenkonigIII]

By that logic the same could be stated about you, for god's sake. Is it such a hard thing to admit there isn't a 100% certainty that it is one way or the other? I'm done with this. It's going no where, and I don't even know why you care so much about the issue. It's not a huge thing at all, it's a minor problem with the ending.

[The Protheans]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

What evidence do you have?
No one could prove Vega survived, if you did as I said you will notice this.
Vega is like the last crew member on the list to come out.

www.youtube.com/watch

There is a video of Vega surviving the destroy ending. Why can't anyone do that for EDI? That took me a few minutes at most to find that.

How is that proof?
That could be the control ending slapped onto the Destroy explosion.

[Clayless]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

By that logic the same could be stated about you, for god's sake. Is it such a hard thing to admit there isn't a 100% certainty that it is one way or the other? I'm done with this. It's going no where, and I don't even know why you care so much about the issue. It's not a huge thing at all, it's a minor problem with the ending.

I am 100% certain that she doesn't survive the destroy ending. And I want someone to prove me 100% wrong, you say it's a minor problem with the ending, I say that problem doesn't actually exist unless someone can prove it.

[Clayless]

The Protheans wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

What evidence do you have?
No one could prove Vega survived, if you did as I said you will notice this.
Vega is like the last crew member on the list to come out.

www.youtube.com/watch

There is a video of Vega surviving the destroy ending. Why can't anyone do that for EDI? That took me a few minutes at most to find that.

How is that proof?
That could be the control ending slapped onto the Destroy explosion.

It's shows Vega surviving the destoy ending, you can argue that Vega can't survive the destroy ending and that's actually just the control ending all you want but unfortunately this thread is about EDI surviving the destroy ending.

Could you provide any evidence of EDI surviving the destroy ending? We can start talking about whether or not it's actually the control ending after we have gotten past the first step.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

I've destroyed EDI's ending, if you know what I mean. ;-)

[Elyiia]

Someone could use Gibbed's edittor to kill everyone but Vega, Liara and EDI and reduce Vega and Liara's relationship levels to 0 to see what happens.

Though you could still just be adding the control ending to the destroy explosion.