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[Pee Jae]

Glad you like it. I wish I could agree with you. Jeremy Jahns explains why I don't like it. NSFW language.

www.youtube.com/watch

On the other hand, check out his actual review of the game for a 180. "Man tears."

www.youtube.com/watch

[JBONE27]

AJRimmsey wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Judging by the kind of person you are you probably saw everyone was hating it and you decided you would like it because you are a non-conformist hipster kid.

thank god for the non-conformist hipsters

back in the 60`s and 70`s those same people warned us about nuclear power,big brother and poisoning the air and water.

we didnt listen,and look where we are now.

vive la non conformist self reliant

they are the future if we dont want to be blinkered sheep following any daft idea of the day

Wow, that is just profoundly wrong on so many levels.


The "non-conformists" are conforming, like the hippies, to a different norm.  While the hippies conformed to a norm that preached peace, love, and naturalism, the "non-conformists" of today preach consumerism, irony (rather the way they precieve irony), and all things dark.  Yes, I said consumerism.  They actually preach buying overpriced consumer electronics (IE anything by apple), "Ironic" clothing, and overpriced "organic" food (which is actually the same fruits and veggies we all eat, just marked up).

I am not a conformist, nor am I a non-conformist.  I am just me.  I am in my late 20's.  I am an actor.  I love games (RPG's specifically).  My favorite bands are Led Zeplin, Bare Naked Ladies, The Temptations, and Blood Sweat and Tears.  My favorite singers are Billy Joel, Carol King, Nicola, Kimya Dawson, Dar Williams, and Bob Dylan.  My favorite songs are Stairway to Heaven, Just the Way You Are (Billy Joel), Ball of Confusion, and Ordinary Day (Great Big Sea).  My favorite tv shows of all time are Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Coupling (the British version), Firefly, X-Men the Animated Series, Death Note, Doctor Who, and Monty Python's Flying Circus.  My favorite movies are Clerks, Serenity, A Clockwork Orange, and Red Cliff (both one and two).  I don't believe in the supernatural, but I do believe that there are things we haven't discovered yet (though that's pretty obvious).  My favorite authors are Neil Gaiman, Issac Asimov, Douglass Addams, and Allan Moore (before he went crazy and started doing kiddie porn).  My favorite books are, The Watchmen, American Gods, Catch 22, The Robot Novels, and Marvel 1602.

Modifié par JBONE27, 18 avril 2012 - 04:22 .

[BellatrixLugosi]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

warmonger180 wrote...

metawanderer wrote...

I liked the ending and the chocies you have to make though I respect those who do not. The only issue and I believe many others have is the ending cutscene. It never explains why Joker & crew are leaving. It is interesting because that could have been easily prevented/fixed by showing an additional 5-10 sec footage of how the crew got into the Normandy.

actually, I think the very last cut scene after the credits is something on an explaination. the crew of Normandy, having been damaged, had to land somewhere and that was the nearest planet. this is where they would start anew, and I think that was Joker walking with his grandkid telling him about someone who saved humanity, and all the other races, even tho there's no interstellar travel for a good long time, and of the sacrifice we all must make for whatever reason at one time or another

-Why did joker run?
-Why did he make a relay jump?
-Why wasn't he killed when he snapped back to sublight veolcity?
-Why were my dead crew members on the Normandy?
-How would joker manage to find a planet mid-jump?
-How would the crew of the normandy repopulate?
-How are dextro aliens going to survive?
-Vice-Versa how are non-dextro species going to survive?
-Is the food even safe to eat?

Let me help

1. Because a dark energy wave was expanding throughout the system, and having a survival instinct he tries to outrun it
2. Survival instinct plus a reasonale rationalization and assumption that going into that kind of speed he might be able to outrun it.
3. Maybe the inertia dampening systems were still functioning
4. A programmer ****ed up
5. Uncharted planet, blind luck, was just exiting the relay to a system
6. If you want to go there..........see when a mommy and a daddy really love each other.  Anyway all seriousness we aren't sure how many survived maybe the crew we did see come out were just the ones more able to leave the wrekage quickly.
7. Half chance the planet is actually suited for them
8. same
9. ONE WAY TO FIND OUT! NOM!

Modifié par BellatrixLugosi, 18 avril 2012 - 04:54 .

[Shermos]

Ok guys. Stop getting so butthurt. I'll clarify what I mean by "lack of imagination".

Most people I see here complain about "plot holes". Not everybody wants every single detail explained for them. There are fans which actually enjoy having certain things deliberately left to their imagination or to be expanded on in a future story. ME3 resolves the Reaper threat and Shepard's story and conflicts which came up in last two games. Pretty much all the plain plot lines in the previous games are resolved. In doing so however, it opens up new questions. Good stories do this. They leave the player/reader/viewer to imagination what might happen next and look forward to new stories in the same universe.

The only real plot hole is how the crew on Earth managed to get back aboard the Normandy in the middle of a battle. Everything else haters are calling plot holes is due to a lack of imagination on their part. It's a sad thing, but it's their problem, not the game's.

Then there's this "the ending came from left field" rubbish. I can't believe how many people actually believe this. The main theme of the ending and meeting the Catalyst is the breaking of a repeating cycle and what the consequences of doing this might be. This theme was delivered to the player with the subtlety of a sledge hammer almost from the start of the game, curing the genophage. The fear introduced in ME1 was that without it, the Krogan would rebel again and force the rest of the galaxy to find a new way to deal with them. In ME3, Shep has the choice to give in to this fear or trust the Krogan to evolve beyond constant violence. The theme comes up again with the Geth/Quarian conflict. The player can give into the fear that the Geth will become violent (even though they never initiated violence with the exception of the heretics - a small minority), or can trust the Geth (and Quarians) to give peaceful co-existence as equals a try. Taking the latter option in both situations breaks a continuing cycle of violence, much like the cycle of violence the Catalyst orchestrates, and the ultimate consequences are unknown. They are meant to be.

Just to make sure the player has this theme in their mind, the Prothean VI talks about how his people came to the conclusion that a repeating cycle is taking place and the same themes repeat in more or less the same way, [b]with an unknown force controlling it[/i].

If people couldn't see how the game builds up to the ending rather than coming out of nowhere, they either rushed through the game or lack the ability to put 2 and 2 together. I honestly feel the writers over-estimated the intelligence of the average fan. It takes a little bit of out of the box thinking to get, but it shouldn't have been a big shock.

Oh and of course, I can't forget the people who complain the ending rips off other Sci-fi. Wake up! lol, The series has been doing that since the first game. It's obvious Bioware meant the series to be a tribute to great and popular works of sci-fi. There are in your face tributes like the scientist on Noveria called Amisov, to the less obvious tributes like the Geth/Quarian conflict being an analogue for the Battlestar Galactica universe. The Krogan obviously have some influence from the Klingons. Need I go on?

There are legitimate reasons for disliking the ending, like wanting a Hollywood style happy ending instead of what we got, which I think was still pretty bright if you really think about it (and listen to what the writers actually intended you to get out of it). Everything else is pure bull****. Disliking it just comes down to your personal taste and it doesn't give you the right to demand a "better" ending.

[AlanC9]

Il Divo wrote...

poerksen wrote...


I envy your viewpoint Personally, I prefer to buy a game that at least has some degree of narrative cohesion.

Sovereign, says his purpose and motives are too complex and incomprehensible for Shepard to understand. Ghost child explains it in 4 sentences. Thumbs up!

One of the most epic villains I have ever seen, now look incredibly lame. I did not expect to be told everything about the reapers, I kind of liked that they were mysterious.

That's actually what I was trying to say. I agree with you. 

This is one of those places where we part company, I guess. People talk about wanting to call the SC on his BS, which is reasonable -- but I was upset by ME1 when Shepard couldn't call Sovereign on his BS.

"If you're not going to tell me what you're up to, fine... but spare me the mystical crap."

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[AlanC9]

JBONE27 wrote...
....and overpriced "organic" food (which is actually the same fruits and veggies we all eat, just marked up).

Except, of course, for the different production process. Unless you're saying that the organic certification process is a scam?

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[AJRimmsey]

AlanC9 wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...
....and overpriced "organic" food (which is actually the same fruits and veggies we all eat, just marked up).

Except, of course, for the different production process. Unless you're saying that the organic certification process is a scam?

i offer up the bacon sandwich challenge

2 years ago while fishing the west wales shore we stopped at a small farmhouse cafe

and i tasted a bacon sandwich that i had only remembered from 35 years before

what we had found was a farmer who raised his own pigs,made his own butter from his own small herd and bought bread from a local bakery.

his family had been there for close on 400 years doing the same thing,feeding the pigs and cows etc on the same thing and the same with the baker.

its was the point where i found out what **** we as consumers have been diddled into thinking is food.
i am sure every country has these places,way out where theres no motorways and incest is rife


now...anyone...search and find these places and i will stake both testicles you will never ever eat another bacon sandwich with the hormone riddled water injected crap most people think is food again.

its a 280 mile round trip i take once a week to stock up on meat and veg,the bread i get closer at about the 60 mile mark in tenby.

there is a downside....you will wonder wtf this crap you are eating has done to your body over the years.


now..i am off downstairs for a bacon sandwich...or 6

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 18 avril 2012 - 05:07 .

[thunderhawk862002]

AlanC9 wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...
....and overpriced "organic" food (which is actually the same fruits and veggies we all eat, just marked up).

Except, of course, for the different production process. Unless you're saying that the organic certification process is a scam?

I don't know about fruits and veggies, but I do know information about the food animal industry.  The only thing different about organic foods is they can't use antibiotics, hormones or anything else unnatural on them.  They are kept in the same facilities as cattle that receive those treatments.  If you want to see some of the infections cows get as a result of being treated organically, type in cow hepatic abscess into good images.  A lot of the organic cows have these because they aren't on any additives like antimicrobials.  

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 18 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[Il Divo]

AlanC9 wrote...

This is one of those places where we part company, I guess. People talk about wanting to call the SC on his BS, which is reasonable -- but I was upset by ME1 when Shepard couldn't call Sovereign on his BS.

"If you're not going to tell me what you're up to, fine... but spare me the mystical crap."

The Sovereign reveal has its own issues associated with it, primarily being that they decided to add a Sovereign reveal, which itself makes no sense. What does Sovereign hope to gain by gloating about how he's going to murder us all? Seems too James Bond villain-esque for someone claiming he's beyond our comprehension.

The reason why I'm a bit more comfortable with the Sovereign scenario is that Shepard is allowed to at least be confrontational. Sovereign says "You will die", Shepard says "****** off". The Catalyst says "You have to do this" and Shepard says "Yes, sir", essentially.

Modifié par Il Divo, 18 avril 2012 - 05:19 .

[Cadence of the Planes]

Atakuma wrote...

Well, the supposed majority of people disagree, so you're opinion is wrong.

Yes, because how dare someone make a point you disagree with.

I mean really, the nerve 

[thunderhawk862002]

AJRimmsey wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...
....and overpriced "organic" food (which is actually the same fruits and veggies we all eat, just marked up).

Except, of course, for the different production process. Unless you're saying that the organic certification process is a scam?

i offer up the bacon sandwich challenge

2 years ago while fishing the west wales shore we stopped at a small farmhouse cafe

and i tasted a bacon sandwich that i had only remembered from 35 years before

what we had found was a farmer who raised his own pigs,made his own butter from his own small herd and bought bread from a local bakery.

his family had been there for close on 400 years doing the same thing,feeding the pigs and cows etc on the same thing and the same with the baker.

its was the point where i found out what **** we as consumers have been diddled into thinking is food.
i am sure every country has these places,way out where theres no motorways and incest is rife


now...anyone...search and find these places and i will stake both testicles you will never ever eat another bacon sandwich with the hormone riddled water injected crap most people think is food again.

its a 280 mile round trip i take once a week to stock up on meat and veg,the bread i get closer at about the 60 mile mark in tenby.

there is a downside....you will wonder wtf this crap you are eating has done to your body over the years.


now..i am off downstairs for a bacon sandwich...or 6

Funny you should bring up the myth about hormones.  Take a look at this.  Just because an animal receives hormones doesn't mean that it ends up in our plate in any significant fashion.  Or do you not know how hormone supplementation works in cattle?

www.msu.edu/~ritchieh/papers/safebeefproduct.html

[Cadence of the Planes]

Funny you should bring up the myth about hormones.  Take a look at this.  Just because an animal receives hormones doesn't mean that it ends up in our plate in any significant fashion.  Or do you not know how hormone supplementation works in cattle?

www.msu.edu/~ritchieh/papers/safebeefproduct.html

A  "Distinguished Professor of Animal Science" giving a positive spin on his own product. Shocking.

Now we just have to worry about saturated fat, cholesterol, carcinogens, the biological amplification of the pesticides in cattle-feed, and questionable sanitation. To prove my point and call other points of view "myths," I shall link random articles and papers from the interwebs:

http://www.naturalne...f_hormones.html 
http://www.consumers...ety/002272.html 
http://www.sustainab...oRBGH-fww07.pdf 

Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 18 avril 2012 - 05:32 .

[JBONE27]

AlanC9 wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...
....and overpriced "organic" food (which is actually the same fruits and veggies we all eat, just marked up).

Except, of course, for the different production process. Unless you're saying that the organic certification process is a scam?

That is actually exacly what I'm saying. have you ever seen the show Penn and Teller Bull****?

[jtrook]

I'm glad you enjoyed the ending. While I disagree with it and there should be some kind of DLC (maybe the extended cut?) in my thoughts, I am glad you like it.

[Grimgaww]

warmonger180 wrote...

and i fail to see what the big deal is over the ending. Emily Shepard, being who she is, could do nothing other than what she did, which was self-sacrifice. sadly there'll be no house with a white picket fence to share with Samantha:(.

i've posted this social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/11472955

If you can explain it to me go a head.

[mauro2222]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

3. Maybe the inertia dampening systems were still functioning

They still die of radiation.

[thunderhawk862002]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Funny you should bring up the myth about hormones.  Take a look at this.  Just because an animal receives hormones doesn't mean that it ends up in our plate in any significant fashion.  Or do you not know how hormone supplementation works in cattle?

www.msu.edu/~ritchieh/papers/safebeefproduct.html

A  "Distinguished Professor of Animal Science" giving a positive spin on his own product. Shocking.

Now we just have to worry about saturated fat, cholesterol, carcinogens, the biological amplification of the pesticides in cattle-feed, and questionable sanitation. To prove my point and call other points of view "myths," I shall link random articles and papers from the interwebs:

http://www.naturalne...f_hormones.html 
http://www.consumers...ety/002272.html 
http://www.sustainab...oRBGH-fww07.pdf 

So you specifically single out one hormone product out of many that are in use.  You say I chose a positive spin article and you choose two that have a set agenda and one that is over 10 years old?  Nice.  I will dig into the merits of this particular growth hormone.    


Edit: Ah there we go.  

In summary, with one exception, the panel finds no biologically plausible reason for concern about human safety if rbST were to be approved for sale in Canada. The only exception to this statement is the occurrence of an antibody reaction (possible hypersensitivity) in a subchronic (90-day) study of rbST oral toxicity in rats that resulted in one test animal developing an antibody response at low dose (0.1 mg/kg/day) after 14 weeks. In the opinion of the panel, this anomalous result deserves further study, including discussion between the manufacturer of Nutrilac and Health Canada scientists. The panel recommends, on the basis of present knowledge, that the study in question be repeated.

Source: the source used in the sustainable.org article- http://www.hc-sc.gc....p_crmcc-eng.php

I can't wait to see what other spin factors sustainable has used in that article.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 18 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[Tarothe]

Shermos wrote...

Then there's this "the ending came from left field" rubbish. I can't believe how many people actually believe this. The main theme of the ending and meeting the Catalyst is the breaking of a repeating cycle and what the consequences of doing this might be. This theme was delivered to the player with the subtlety of a sledge hammer almost from the start of the game, curing the genophage. The fear introduced in ME1 was that without it, the Krogan would rebel again and force the rest of the galaxy to find a new way to deal with them. In ME3, Shep has the choice to give in to this fear or trust the Krogan to evolve beyond constant violence. The theme comes up again with the Geth/Quarian conflict. The player can give into the fear that the Geth will become violent (even though they never initiated violence with the exception of the heretics - a small minority), or can trust the Geth (and Quarians) to give peaceful co-existence as equals a try. Taking the latter option in both situations breaks a continuing cycle of violence, much like the cycle of violence the Catalyst orchestrates, and the ultimate consequences are unknown. They are meant to be.

You know, I generally agree with the fact, that those options at the Ending should stay, but there should be additional endings possible. What I hate about the ending is neither the ambiguity of it, or lack of a happy ending, but the promise of vastly different endings depending on your choices throughout the game - where in reality there is none. 
No matter what you chose many of the sacrifices made in ME3 are simply rendered moot by the very ending, especially everything connected with the synthetics themes. My biggest issue is with the failure of delivering that promise. Pretty much no matter how you resolve your conflicts, in the end you can't even argue with the starchild about them. That's very different to what we got previously, both in the ME1 and ME2, or even throughout all three games. I really love Paragon/Renegade dialogue options, how very different outcomes they have on what follows after the dialogues, how you can make people see the error of their ways, even if it's subjective on Shepard's part, by talking. And with the Starchild it's pretty much you get what you get and that's that. A bit outside of the Shep's character if you ask me.
Ultimately, the game was rewarding, one way or the other, or punishing the choices you previously made, be that with a happy ending if you made everything right, a way to skip a part of the main boss fight - your choices really matter, but what's more, influenced the outcome. In ME3 ending, instead of choices based on your previous ones, you get 3 completely new ones. And what's more, everyone gets them in pretty much the same form. The transformation from open-ended, plentiful of various configurations of the outcomes is replaced with linear, 3 choices. And if you play the game since the very first installment of the series, you know things about two of those choices, which technically should force you to choose only 1 ;/ You can choose the other ones, but the series made a pretty clear case of how wrong they are pretty much up to the very ending.

Modifié par Tarothe, 18 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[JBONE27]

Shermos wrote...

Ok guys. Stop getting so butthurt. I'll clarify what I mean by "lack of imagination".

Most people I see here complain about "plot holes". Not everybody wants every single detail explained for them. There are fans which actually enjoy having certain things deliberately left to their imagination or to be expanded on in a future story. ME3 resolves the Reaper threat and Shepard's story and conflicts which came up in last two games. Pretty much all the plain plot lines in the previous games are resolved. In doing so however, it opens up new questions. Good stories do this. They leave the player/reader/viewer to imagination what might happen next and look forward to new stories in the same universe.

The only real plot hole is how the crew on Earth managed to get back aboard the Normandy in the middle of a battle. Everything else haters are calling plot holes is due to a lack of imagination on their part. It's a sad thing, but it's their problem, not the game's.

Then there's this "the ending came from left field" rubbish. I can't believe how many people actually believe this. The main theme of the ending and meeting the Catalyst is the breaking of a repeating cycle and what the consequences of doing this might be. This theme was delivered to the player with the subtlety of a sledge hammer almost from the start of the game, curing the genophage. The fear introduced in ME1 was that without it, the Krogan would rebel again and force the rest of the galaxy to find a new way to deal with them. In ME3, Shep has the choice to give in to this fear or trust the Krogan to evolve beyond constant violence. The theme comes up again with the Geth/Quarian conflict. The player can give into the fear that the Geth will become violent (even though they never initiated violence with the exception of the heretics - a small minority), or can trust the Geth (and Quarians) to give peaceful co-existence as equals a try. Taking the latter option in both situations breaks a continuing cycle of violence, much like the cycle of violence the Catalyst orchestrates, and the ultimate consequences are unknown. They are meant to be.

Just to make sure the player has this theme in their mind, the Prothean VI talks about how his people came to the conclusion that a repeating cycle is taking place and the same themes repeat in more or less the same way, [b]with an unknown force controlling it[/i].

If people couldn't see how the game builds up to the ending rather than coming out of nowhere, they either rushed through the game or lack the ability to put 2 and 2 together. I honestly feel the writers over-estimated the intelligence of the average fan. It takes a little bit of out of the box thinking to get, but it shouldn't have been a big shock.

Oh and of course, I can't forget the people who complain the ending rips off other Sci-fi. Wake up! lol, The series has been doing that since the first game. It's obvious Bioware meant the series to be a tribute to great and popular works of sci-fi. There are in your face tributes like the scientist on Noveria called Amisov, to the less obvious tributes like the Geth/Quarian conflict being an analogue for the Battlestar Galactica universe. The Krogan obviously have some influence from the Klingons. Need I go on?

There are legitimate reasons for disliking the ending, like wanting a Hollywood style happy ending instead of what we got, which I think was still pretty bright if you really think about it (and listen to what the writers actually intended you to get out of it). Everything else is pure bull****. Disliking it just comes down to your personal taste and it doesn't give you the right to demand a "better" ending.

So, you like the fact that absoluetly nothing we did during the previous two games mattered?  

You like the fact that the catalyst was a little kid for whom most people feel nothing?  

You like the fact that we couldn't question the kid?  

You like the fact that the kid's reasoning is counterintuitive?

 You like the fact that all of the endings looked the same?  

You like the fact that in the lead up to the game Casey Hudson said that the ending wouldn't come down to an A, B, C, choice even though that's exactly what it came down to?  

You like the fact that the allies we gathered over the course of the game were reduced to a number?  

You like the fact that the conduit lied to us both overtly "All synthetics will die, the reapers, the geth, EDI, even you have synthetic parts,"  yet, both Shepard and EDI can be shown surviving the destruction, or implicitly, such as only mentioning that the mass relays explode if you chose destruction eventhough they explode reguardless of what you chose?

You like the fact that a game built on choice and cosequences, in the end gives you little choice and shows you no consequences?

You like the fact that reguardless of what you choose, everyone you brought is stranded in the Sol System for however long it takes to travel to another system?

You like the fact that there was no end fight, even if the fight was with words?

You like the fact that they complely changed genres in the last five minutes?

You like the fact that the end protagonist was the kid instead of Shepard?

You like the fact that, since at least some of your squadmates are on the Normandy on that planet, and you're stuck on Earth, that they didn't even look for your body, even though, if it is your LI (especially Liara) it is completely out of character?

You like the fact that Shepard is completely out of character as (s)he is talking to the kid... well for most people anyway?

You like the fact that we don't know what happened to any of the races?

You like the fact that the grandfather telling a story comes from completely out of nowhere?

You like the fact that it ends with an advertisement for upcomming DLC?

You like all of that?

[AJRimmsey]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...
....and overpriced "organic" food (which is actually the same fruits and veggies we all eat, just marked up).

Except, of course, for the different production process. Unless you're saying that the organic certification process is a scam?

i offer up the bacon sandwich challenge

2 years ago while fishing the west wales shore we stopped at a small farmhouse cafe

and i tasted a bacon sandwich that i had only remembered from 35 years before

what we had found was a farmer who raised his own pigs,made his own butter from his own small herd and bought bread from a local bakery.

his family had been there for close on 400 years doing the same thing,feeding the pigs and cows etc on the same thing and the same with the baker.

its was the point where i found out what **** we as consumers have been diddled into thinking is food.
i am sure every country has these places,way out where theres no motorways and incest is rife


now...anyone...search and find these places and i will stake both testicles you will never ever eat another bacon sandwich with the hormone riddled water injected crap most people think is food again.

its a 280 mile round trip i take once a week to stock up on meat and veg,the bread i get closer at about the 60 mile mark in tenby.

there is a downside....you will wonder wtf this crap you are eating has done to your body over the years.


now..i am off downstairs for a bacon sandwich...or 6

Funny you should bring up the myth about hormones.  Take a look at this.  Just because an animal receives hormones doesn't mean that it ends up in our plate in any significant fashion.  Or do you not know how hormone supplementation works in cattle?

www.msu.edu/~ritchieh/papers/safebeefproduct.html

i dont know how old you are,so you might not remember thalidomide,distinguished professors also cried the safety of that.
and trans fats were safe
so was tobacco
prozac
the list goes on and on

if you simply take the bacon sandwich challenge you might change your mind.

[thunderhawk862002]

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...
....and overpriced "organic" food (which is actually the same fruits and veggies we all eat, just marked up).

Except, of course, for the different production process. Unless you're saying that the organic certification process is a scam?

i offer up the bacon sandwich challenge

2 years ago while fishing the west wales shore we stopped at a small farmhouse cafe

and i tasted a bacon sandwich that i had only remembered from 35 years before

what we had found was a farmer who raised his own pigs,made his own butter from his own small herd and bought bread from a local bakery.

his family had been there for close on 400 years doing the same thing,feeding the pigs and cows etc on the same thing and the same with the baker.

its was the point where i found out what **** we as consumers have been diddled into thinking is food.
i am sure every country has these places,way out where theres no motorways and incest is rife


now...anyone...search and find these places and i will stake both testicles you will never ever eat another bacon sandwich with the hormone riddled water injected crap most people think is food again.

its a 280 mile round trip i take once a week to stock up on meat and veg,the bread i get closer at about the 60 mile mark in tenby.

there is a downside....you will wonder wtf this crap you are eating has done to your body over the years.


now..i am off downstairs for a bacon sandwich...or 6

Funny you should bring up the myth about hormones.  Take a look at this.  Just because an animal receives hormones doesn't mean that it ends up in our plate in any significant fashion.  Or do you not know how hormone supplementation works in cattle?

www.msu.edu/~ritchieh/papers/safebeefproduct.html

i dont know how old you are,so you might not remember thalidomide,distinguished professors also cried the safety of that.
and trans fats were safe
so was tobacco
prozac
the list goes on and on

if you simply take the bacon sandwich challenge you might change your mind.

Things change as more research goes on, your point?  

OMG Soy is going to kill us all.  www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects

Personally I'll be eating that antibiotic fed cattle over an organic one any day. Like I said go look at a hepatic abscess.  If you like your cattle to have those than choose organic.  It's funny after 14 years the AMA still has no official stance on that particular growth hormone that isn't even in widespread use anymore.

[AJRimmsey]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...
....and overpriced "organic" food (which is actually the same fruits and veggies we all eat, just marked up).

Except, of course, for the different production process. Unless you're saying that the organic certification process is a scam?

i offer up the bacon sandwich challenge

2 years ago while fishing the west wales shore we stopped at a small farmhouse cafe

and i tasted a bacon sandwich that i had only remembered from 35 years before

what we had found was a farmer who raised his own pigs,made his own butter from his own small herd and bought bread from a local bakery.

his family had been there for close on 400 years doing the same thing,feeding the pigs and cows etc on the same thing and the same with the baker.

its was the point where i found out what **** we as consumers have been diddled into thinking is food.
i am sure every country has these places,way out where theres no motorways and incest is rife


now...anyone...search and find these places and i will stake both testicles you will never ever eat another bacon sandwich with the hormone riddled water injected crap most people think is food again.

its a 280 mile round trip i take once a week to stock up on meat and veg,the bread i get closer at about the 60 mile mark in tenby.

there is a downside....you will wonder wtf this crap you are eating has done to your body over the years.


now..i am off downstairs for a bacon sandwich...or 6

Funny you should bring up the myth about hormones.  Take a look at this.  Just because an animal receives hormones doesn't mean that it ends up in our plate in any significant fashion.  Or do you not know how hormone supplementation works in cattle?

www.msu.edu/~ritchieh/papers/safebeefproduct.html

i dont know how old you are,so you might not remember thalidomide,distinguished professors also cried the safety of that.
and trans fats were safe
so was tobacco
prozac
the list goes on and on

if you simply take the bacon sandwich challenge you might change your mind.

Things change as more research goes on, your point?  

OMG Soy is going to kill us all.  www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects

Personally I'll be eating that antibiotic fed cattle over an organic one any day. Like I said go look at a hepatic abscess.  If you like your cattle to have those than choose organic.  It's funny after 14 years the AMA still has no official stance on that particular growth hormone that isn't even in widespread use anymore.

as with everything else..the choice is yours

we have free will...i hope we are both right

[Embrosil]

I just saw the new ending of the Lord of the Rings. It is so deep, with so many logical choices that I really wonder, why J.R.R. Tolkien did not use this one in the first place.

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[Embrosil]

Shermos wrote...

Frailstrength wrote...

jreezy wrote...

ebevan91 wrote...

I don't mind the outcome. I just want those holes filled to make it easier to understand.

This is what BioWare thinks the problem is which is why the ending DLC is only clarification. Sometimes things are just downright stupid. Clarification won't fix all the faults of the ending.

Just need a little imagination.

Sadly, this is a quality most people who hate the endings seem to lack.

So next time, I can save 1100 CZK and imagine the whole game in my head for free! Yeah, great idea. Or I do not have to go to cinema, I can imagine whole movies!