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[Drogonion]

I'm dumbfounded that anyone could think the current ending(s) was "good." Then again people say things all the time without knowing what they mean. Such as, "I'm a nihilist," or "Who cares about nihilism," or "Nihilism? What's the big deal?"

[thunderhawk862002]

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

I still personally believe the ending was garbage, but if you enjoyed it, by all means, continue to enjoy it. I'm not gonna try and make you not like something just because I don't like it.

finally in amongst all the >

"you are stupid to like it"
"bickering"
"attacking other members"

a spark of common sense.

why would anyone spend all day trying to convince someone who liked the game to hate it ?

baffles me why people have to get so venomous with those who liked it.

if people just let those who liked it have thier own opinions we wouldnt see this senseless bickering and personal attacking in every "i liked the game" thread

You convieniently leave out the other side which uses the term whiners to those that have problems wiht the ending.  Sometimes they enter any antiending topic just to post quit whining.  Boy, that's really beneficial.  Let's be honest there are terrible people on both sides of the argument.    You have personally seen topics where people have liked the ending and some of the anti enders say I'm glad you liked it, I wish I could.

I've done that multiple times.  Because that's truly how I feel.  But if they end their post with you people need to quit whining and get over it, I'm gonna have problems.  That's just asking for heat and arguments.  If you want things to stay civil, don't take pot shots at the other side.

as said,report it to a moderator,the mods know who is here just to stir the pot and get kicks from attacking people.
they hardly hide what they are up to.
and it wont be a flood of pm`s,as there really is only a few doing it.

i still dont see 2 sides,but thats just my opinion.

So you've NEVER seen an anti ending topic talking about why someone is disappointed and then people start posting quit whining, or get over it, or cool story bro?  I know you have.

[HenchxNarf]

slyguy200 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

...
Aww, there you go trying to change the point of discussion. But no, I didn't pay to play it, as you'd like to say. I paid to be entertained by playing it, particularly the conclusion. I don't pay to play video games I don't enjoy. So if the natural counter response by some is to "use your imagination" to fashion a quality ending, I'll let them know my imagination is free. It's not a counter-response any more than telling someone to pretend that Mass Effect has good gameplay when they think it sucks.

Dridengx is a classic hit and run troll, he won't be listening to you. He will simply make it look like you said something else and take things out of context just to troll you, ignore him.

So says the person who edited his own post and blamed someone else for doing it.

Great example there.

[SirVincealot]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...
-Why did joker run?
-Why did he make a relay jump?
-Why wasn't he killed when he snapped back to sublight veolcity?
-Why were my dead crew members on the Normandy?
-How would joker manage to find a planet mid-jump?
-How would the crew of the normandy repopulate?
-How are dextro aliens going to survive?
-Vice-Versa how are non-dextro species going to survive?
-Is the food even safe to eat?

- How did the Geth and Krogan manage to capture and secure the colony on Therum while unable to operate a "simon says" color puzzle mining laser to get to doctor T'soni?
- How does element Zero enable people to manipulate mass effect fields with their mind?
- Seeing as a black hole the size of a pea would destroy the earth in a few moments (by turning it into swiss cheese as it punches back and forth through a rotating object) how are biotics able to spawn singularities left and right without any collateral damage?
- Can we hire the team responsible for successfully upgrading every single weapon in the known galaxy to use heat clips in two short years? As I read in the codex, earth still has recycling issues...
- Jacob says of the Collectors that they are "so rare and mysterious most people think of them as myth" yet every single person Shepard meets in ME2, down to the last yeoman, is not only aware of their existence but agrees that they are a clear and present danger.
- If the Reapers are so smart, how did it not occur to them that the Prothean would be drawn to Ilos? The statues on that planet are not Prothean. We are told the Protheans had their own "prothean mythology": the innusannon. The Reapers did not connect the dots?
- Further, how is it that of the multitude of Protheans who we are told were indoctrinated in that cycle, not one scientist, not one construction worker, not one ship pilot gave away the enormous research/hybernation installations on Ilos? Not so much as an unfortunate slip? Really?
- If the various aliens in citadel space all speak a different language (which we understand via real-time translators) why do their lips move in time with english speech? Why do their mouths forms english phonemes?
- If the Reapers built the Citadel ostencibly for countless aliens to discover over the eons, why is everything human-sized? Why does it look like slightly futuristic 20th century human architecture?
- If the explanation is that the Keepers "remold" the wards to the first arrivals, and since the Asari were already there 1000 years prior to the arrival of the second race (the Salarians) why does the Citadel not look like Thessia? In fact, why does Thessia look like futuristic 20th century human architecture? Have I just answered the previous question? Have I found an oroboros or a moebius loop?
- How does Jack not get frostbite on the Reaper derelict?
- Why do Turians "salute" one another? Did they see a human do it and thought it was "cool" to incorporate into their own, several orders of magnitude older military traditions? Coincidence?
- How do the Elcor crap? They're not wearing diapers, how is the Citadel Embassy so clean?
- How exactly does DNA store a person's specific memories? (hint: it doesn't)
- How did the Shroud deliver the Genophage cure so fast? There was no planet-size hurricane that I could see. Is Tutchanka only a mile around?
- Why isn't the council at least slightly disturbed that Saren has red glowing eyes and uber-gross metallic implants?
- Since we have seen that Omni-tools can record video and audio, why isn't there a singly frame of Sovereign to back up Shepard's claim to the Council? . . . BUT THERE IS! We saw a clip on the Normandy before landing on Eden Prime: what happened to that recording of a massive, giant ship clearly suspended in mid-air with what can only be the result of a massive eezo core?
- Then again why is a simply audio recording from a young Quarian good enough?
- How do ships bank in the vaccum of space?
- Since FTL comms work with relays and buoys, why hasn't anyone sent a simple probe beyond the Omega4 relay? A few seconds of recording? A few frames?
- How exactly does "embracing eternity" grant two separate species sudden telepathic abilities? How does one "embrace eternity"?
- How did femShep and Garrus get it on? What exactly happened there?
- When did Garrus find time to romance Tali? Ooooooh. Question withdrawn.
- The Milky Way is roughly 100 000 light-years across, yet the Normandy zips about fast enough to bring a mortally wounded team member to Citadel ICU in time to save her. Granted the ability of Mass Relays to whip a ship instantenously from A to B (and how exactly does it do that?), a frigate still has to use "conventional" FTL inside star clusters. Just how fast is FTL: 100x the speed of light? 1000x? 100 000x?
- The Horsehead nebula is 13 light years across. At 1000x LS, that means 4 days of straight flying - which you never do: you go on a mission here, you scan a planet there, you beeline to the gas bar, you backtrack once in a while... To get around it in an afternoon, as the ship apparently does, how fast is it going? That's ONE system.
- No one aboard the Normandy ages or gets fat because of time dilation - that's great for the ships's clock. For us back on Earth, the clock still ticks the same. Anderson and Udina do not appear to have aged one bit, including the 2 years Shepard was "under". Just how fast are those ships going? And if they are going that fast, why do we need this elaborate nonsense with Mass Relays?

...

Clearly, one can pick and choose which "plot holes" to offer as proof of writer incompetence, and which to overlook. (As an aside, most peeps here do not seem to know the difference between a plot hole and a narrative ellipse.)

I'll agree with those who called hypocrisy on these boards but add that there seems to be plenty of it to go around on both sides of the debate. As for me, I booted up MASS EFFECT and instanly placed it into the "space fantasy" camp (mass effect = magic / eezo = mana) then rolled with it.

The ending was no more and no less inconsistent with the previous 100+ hours of gaming: from Nihlus the Turian spector ("Spectors are the council's first, last and best line of defense!") being fooled by his growling, glowy-eyed, horribly disfigured, "how-the-hell-did-he-get-here-and-is-it-JUST-POSSIBLY-NOT-A-COINCIDENCE-that-an-enormous-black-ship-in-the-shape-of-a-grasping-skeletal-hand-also-just-arrived" ... all the way to Shepard's half-dead, reeling-with-unimaginable-pain-bone-tired-and-under-greater-stress-than-during-the-Skyllian-Blitz mind conjuring from her guilt the face of a child she couldn't save to interact with one last phantom before making the ultimate choice.

(edit: clarity)

Modifié par SirVincealot, 18 avril 2012 - 04:00 .

[AJRimmsey]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

I still personally believe the ending was garbage, but if you enjoyed it, by all means, continue to enjoy it. I'm not gonna try and make you not like something just because I don't like it.

finally in amongst all the >

"you are stupid to like it"
"bickering"
"attacking other members"

a spark of common sense.

why would anyone spend all day trying to convince someone who liked the game to hate it ?

baffles me why people have to get so venomous with those who liked it.

if people just let those who liked it have thier own opinions we wouldnt see this senseless bickering and personal attacking in every "i liked the game" thread

You convieniently leave out the other side which uses the term whiners to those that have problems wiht the ending.  Sometimes they enter any antiending topic just to post quit whining.  Boy, that's really beneficial.  Let's be honest there are terrible people on both sides of the argument.    You have personally seen topics where people have liked the ending and some of the anti enders say I'm glad you liked it, I wish I could.

I've done that multiple times.  Because that's truly how I feel.  But if they end their post with you people need to quit whining and get over it, I'm gonna have problems.  That's just asking for heat and arguments.  If you want things to stay civil, don't take pot shots at the other side.

as said,report it to a moderator,the mods know who is here just to stir the pot and get kicks from attacking people.
they hardly hide what they are up to.
and it wont be a flood of pm`s,as there really is only a few doing it.

i still dont see 2 sides,but thats just my opinion.

So you've NEVER seen an anti ending topic talking about why someone is disappointed and then people start posting quit whining, or get over it, or cool story bro?  I know you have.

of course i have seen them,when i came back i was even stupid enough to join a few.
but when you realise theres a couple here getting off on it,whats the point ?

they are simply here as they get a hard on from attacking anyone.
again,we all know who does it,but as they pretend to have a similiar opinion,some just accept it.

mods dont care why a rule is broken,or who breaks it.

on the same hand the mods job is not a policeman,they expect us to police ourselves to an extent.



ps..we just exchanged a few posts and we have opposite opinions and yet we didnt call each other names or start argueing ?..so its possible to get on and disagree..no ?

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 18 avril 2012 - 03:45 .

[RukiaKuchki]

I think part of people trying to change your mind, and trying to convince you that you shouldn't really like it when you say you do, is because they need their own negative opinion validating. They want to make sure that they are not alone in their feeling of overwhelming disappointment because of course if you think differently to other people, you are an outsider. Or you must simply be wrong and have missed something important. There are very few of what I would call 'discussions' as to people's opinion on the BSN. It's usually a case of 'I hate it. You like it because you are an idiot/have low expectations/are not a true fan/don't understand that BioWare have LIED to us!'. Or 'I like it. You hate it because you are an idiot/have too high expectations/are not a true fan/you don't respect Bioware'. Whichever side of the fence people stand, one of the reasons they are here is because they need their opinion validating. The desire to change the ending into something they see more fitting to the franchise is really a secondary objective. This is not a personal attack on anyone, it is merely an observation based on the interactions on the BSN.

[Wise Men]

warmonger180 wrote...

and i fail to see what the big deal is over the ending. Emily Shepard, being who she is, could do nothing other than what she did, which was self-sacrifice. sadly there'll be no house with a white picket fence to share with Samantha:(.

Agreed.  My ending was satisfying and made sense to me.  I thought it was pretty epic.  After finishing it twice, (with two different shepards)...I still don't get why some people are upset.  I felt that the ending gave me everything that I wanted. 

[Cyne]

Play it again. The first time, you might not have noticed all the plot holes and lack of real choice, especially if you weren't very invested in the lore of it to begin with (or didn't play ME1 + 2). These become extremely noticeable with repeated playthroughs.

[Lynata]

OP: I'm in the same boat. 

Well, almost. Gamewise, my Shep would have survived ... but in retrospect, I think her dying on the Citadel makes for a much better ending. Heroes need to go down with a big bang instead of a whimper in old age, and what better way to end a saga than to save an entire galaxy with one's dying breath? Bittersweet tragic is, imho, superior to a candyland happy end - but of course this is a matter of taste, and I've certainly seen a lot of posters who would have preferred the latter.

I also loved the slow walk and how badly Shep looked at the end. It felt novel, dramatic and intense, fitting well to the emotional scenes surrounding the "final hours". I kid you not - I've been listening only to piano music in the two days after having finished the game!

All in all, the ending really made me think. Speculations on what happened to Shep's crew or how things would work in the galaxy now were spinning around in my head, up to thinking about a new era for the franchise set in the far future - how cool would it be if the kid listening to the Stargazer's story after the credits would become the player character of a new game focused on exploration and rediscovery?

Of course there were a few minor things I'd have done differently, but all in all it was a very epic tale with some difficult and meaningful decisions, and I was amazed by the many emotional scenes in ME3 in particular - interaction was much more "personal" this time, but this was only fitting given that it was the grand finale.

Tirranek wrote...
Ok, I'm sorry for sounding like an ass but everyone mentions the 3 ending colours as a sign of them being identical, are they also deaf and can't read? There are huge story differences between them.

I have a feeling that this is the problem for many. Instead of caring for the actual repercussions of their actions as narrated by the game, they expected the visuals to showcase the outcome in a more obvious way - which would have only been possible with much greater differences between the cinematics. I would guess for many it wasn't even really a problem until they noticed that the cinematics in the other endings do not differ, which in turn may create the illusion of there being "no difference", and this in turn might make them feel "cheated".

It's not a line of thinking I am subscribing to, but I would agree that the developers could have done more to make the cinematics match the various decisions - I'm actually a bit confused why they didn't, considering how long they are.

It may well be that this was an issue of time constraints (the publisher pressuring the studio for an earlier release) - and that the upcoming DLC will simply include new cinematics (that were already planned but just didn't make it into the final game) which will expand upon the endings to make the visuals better match the narrative.

Modifié par Lynata, 18 avril 2012 - 03:54 .

[thunderhawk862002]

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

I still personally believe the ending was garbage, but if you enjoyed it, by all means, continue to enjoy it. I'm not gonna try and make you not like something just because I don't like it.

finally in amongst all the >

"you are stupid to like it"
"bickering"
"attacking other members"

a spark of common sense.

why would anyone spend all day trying to convince someone who liked the game to hate it ?

baffles me why people have to get so venomous with those who liked it.

if people just let those who liked it have thier own opinions we wouldnt see this senseless bickering and personal attacking in every "i liked the game" thread

You convieniently leave out the other side which uses the term whiners to those that have problems wiht the ending.  Sometimes they enter any antiending topic just to post quit whining.  Boy, that's really beneficial.  Let's be honest there are terrible people on both sides of the argument.    You have personally seen topics where people have liked the ending and some of the anti enders say I'm glad you liked it, I wish I could.

I've done that multiple times.  Because that's truly how I feel.  But if they end their post with you people need to quit whining and get over it, I'm gonna have problems.  That's just asking for heat and arguments.  If you want things to stay civil, don't take pot shots at the other side.

as said,report it to a moderator,the mods know who is here just to stir the pot and get kicks from attacking people.
they hardly hide what they are up to.
and it wont be a flood of pm`s,as there really is only a few doing it.

i still dont see 2 sides,but thats just my opinion.

So you've NEVER seen an anti ending topic talking about why someone is disappointed and then people start posting quit whining, or get over it, or cool story bro?  I know you have.

of course i have seen them,when i came back i was even stupid enough to join a few.
but when you realise theres a couple here getting off on it,whats the point ?

they are simply here as they get a hard on from attacking anyone.
again,we all know who does it,but as they pretend to have a similiar opinion,some just accept it.

mods dont care why a rule is broken,or who breaks it.

on the same hand the mods job is not a policeman,they expect us to police ourselves to an extent.



ps..we just exchanged a few posts and we have opposite opinions and yet we didnt call each other names or start argueing ?..so its possible to get on and disagree..no ?

Oh I'm totally agreeing with you on having opposite opinions but leaving out the name calling. I'm just saying it seemed like you were just pointing the finger at antienders instead of acknowledging that both sides have people that troll the other side for fun or whatever.  As long as you realize that there are proenders who do the same thing that you accuse antienders doing.  I will admit that there are more antienders that do it simply because there are more active on this specific section of the forum.

[Ice Cold J]

IMO, I think a lot of poeple would like the idea of an ending where you actually live with all your friends and your LI... you can't do that in any of the endings.

Also, I have to ask: Would Emily Shepard like the idea of destroying the Mass Relay system effectively destroying inter-stellar space travel and isolating all the various species to their respective planets/systems?

[AJRimmsey]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

ps..we just exchanged a few posts and we have opposite opinions and yet we didnt call each other names or start argueing ?..so its possible to get on and disagree..no ?

Oh I'm totally agreeing with you on having opposite opinions but leaving out the name calling. I'm just saying it seemed like you were just pointing the finger at antienders instead of acknowledging that both sides have people that troll the other side for fun or whatever.  As long as you realize that there are proenders who do the same thing that you accuse antienders doing.  I will admit that there are more antienders that do it simply because there are more active on this specific section of the forum.

oh christ yes,there are also people using anti ending hot spots to fire a fight,but they too are totally visible in what they are doing.
the same thing i was told to do works on them.

ignore them,and the page ends up with a couple of people hurling abuse at each other,and the mods can them just slam down the hammer.
this place becomes so much better after the bans are dished out,the atmos is visibly calmer and more mature.

there are actually very few who play these daft forum games,when i see one i add them to the block list,which shows how few they are.

pps..heres a curiosity..there are no retakers on my blocklist

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 18 avril 2012 - 04:04 .

[SirVincealot]

@ Lynata:

Articulate, even-tempered and thoughtful post. Thank you for it.

[HenchxNarf]

slyguy200 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

...
Aww, there you go trying to change the point of discussion. But no, I didn't pay to play it, as you'd like to say. I paid to be entertained by playing it, particularly the conclusion. I don't pay to play video games I don't enjoy. So if the natural counter response by some is to "use your imagination" to fashion a quality ending, I'll let them know my imagination is free. It's not a counter-response any more than telling someone to pretend that Mass Effect has good gameplay when they think it sucks.

Dridengx is a classic hit and run troll, he won't be listening to you. He will simply make it look like you said something else and take things out of context just to troll you, ignore him.

So says the person who edited his own post and blamed someone else for doing it.

Great example there.

You really missed that? What happened was he took what i said slightly out of context, then i put the words back in place, then i figured that what i said wasn't getting the point across that i wanted it to and edited it. What i blamed him for was deleting a few words and twisting what i said, so i changed it back to what i really said, then changed that too, for the reason that i already mentioned in this response.

The thing is... He didn't edit or delete anything you said. He and I quoted you saying the exact same thing. You realize that, right?

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 18 avril 2012 - 04:13 .

[AlanC9]

Drogonion wrote...

I'm dumbfounded that anyone could think the current ending(s) was "good." Then again people say things all the time without knowing what they mean. Such as, "I'm a nihilist," or "Who cares about nihilism," or "Nihilism? What's the big deal?"

How come you're bringing up nihilism? I know there was someone on this board who kept accusing the ending of being nihilistic, but he obviously didn't know what the word meant.

[Sgt Stryker]

SirVincealot wrote...

- How did the Geth and Krogan manage to capture and secure the colony on Therum while unable to operate a "simon says" color puzzle mining laser to get to doctor T'soni?
- How does element Zero enable people to manipulate mass effect fields with their mind?
- Seeing as a black hole the size of a pea would destroy the earth in a few moments (by turning it into swiss cheese as it punches back and forth through a rotating object) how are biotics able to spawn singularities left and right without any collateral damage?
- Can we hire the team responsible for successfully upgrading every single weapon in the known galaxy to use heat clips in two short years? As I read in the codex, earth still has recycling issues...
- Jacob says of the Collectors that they are "so rare and mysterious most people think of them as myth" yet every single person Shepard meets in ME2, down to the last yeoman, is not only aware of their existence but agrees that they are a clear and present danger.
- If the Reapers are so smart, how did it not occur to them that the Prothean would be drawn to Ilos? The statues on that planet are not Prothean. We are told the Protheans had their own "prothean mythology": the innusannon. The Reapers did not connect the dots?
- Further, how is it that of the multitude of Protheans who we are told were indoctrinated in that cycle, not one scientist, not one construction worker, not one ship pilot gave away the enormous research/hybernation installations on Ilos? Not so much as an unfortunate slip? Really?
- If the various aliens in citadel space all speak a different language (which we understand via real-time translators) why do their lips move in time with english speech? Why do their mouths forms english phonemes?
- If the Reapers built the Citadel ostencibly for countless aliens to discover over the eons, why is everything human-sized? Why does it look like slightly futuristic 20th century human architecture?
- If the explanation is that the Keepers "remold" the wards to the first arrivals, and since the Asari were already there 1000 years prior to the arrival of the second race (the Salarians) why does the Citadel not look like Thessia? In fact, why does Thessia look like futuristic 20th century human architecture? Have I just answered the previous question? Have I found an oroboros or a moebius loop?
- How does Jack not get frostbite on the Reaper derelict?
- Why do Turians "salute" one another? Did they see a human do it and thought it was "cool" to incorporate into their own, several orders of magnitude older military traditions? Coincidence?
- How do the Elcor crap? They're not wearing diapers, how is the Citadel Embassy so clean?
- How exactly does DNA store a person's specific memories? (hint: it doesn't)
- How did the Shroud deliver the Genophage cure so fast? There was no planet-size hurricane that I could see. Is Tutchanka only a mile around?
- Why isn't the council at least slightly disturbed that Saren has red glowing eyes and uber-gross metallic implants?
- Since we have seen that Omni-tools can record video and audio, why isn't there a singly frame of Sovereign to back up Shepard's claim to the Council? . . . BUT THERE IS! We saw a clip on the Normandy before landing on Eden Prime: what happened to that recording of a massive, giant ship clearly suspended in mid-air with what can only be the result of a massive eezo core?
- Then again why is a simply audio recording from a young Quarian good enough?
- How do ships bank in the vaccum of space?
- Since FTL comms work with relays and buoys, why hasn't anyone sent a simple probe beyond the Omega4 relay? A few seconds of recording? A few frames?
- How exactly does "embracing eternity" grant two separate species sudden telepathic abilities? How does one "embrace eternity"?
- How did femShep and Garrus get it on? What exactly happened there?
- When did Garrus find time to romance Tali? Ooooooh. Question withdrawn.
- The Milky Way is roughly 100 000 light-years across, yet the Normandy zips about fast enough to bring a mortally wounded team member to Citadel ICU in time to save her. Granted the ability of Mass Relays to whip a ship instantenously from A to B (and how exactly does it do that?), a frigate still has to use "conventional" FTL inside star clusters. Just how fast is FTL: 100x the speed of light? 1000x? 100 000x?
- The Horsehead nebula is 13 light years across. At 1000x LS, that means 4 days of straight flying - which you never do: you go on a mission here, you scan a planet there, you beeline to the gas bar, you backtrack once in a while... To get around it in an afternoon, as the ship apparently does, how fast is it going? That's ONE system.
- No one aboard the Normandy ages or gets fat because of time dilation - that's great for the ships's clock. For us back on Earth, the clock still ticks the same. Anderson and Udina do not appear to have aged one bit, including the 2 years Shepard was "under". Just how fast are those ships going? And if they are going that fast, why do we need this elaborate nonsense with Mass Relays?

...

Clearly, one can pick and choose which "plot holes" to offer as proof of writer incompetence, and which to overlook. (As an aside, most peeps here do not seem to know the difference between a plot hole and a narrative ellipse.)

I'll agree with those who called hypocrisy on these boards but add that there seems to be plenty of it to go around on both sides of the debate. As for me, I booted up MASS EFFECT and instanly placed it into the "space fantasy" camp (mass effect = magic / eezo = mana) then rolled with it.

The ending was no more and no less inconsistent with the previous 100+ hours of gaming: from Nihlus the Turian spector ("Spectors are the council's first, last and best line of defense!") being fooled by his growling, glowy-eyed, horribly disfigured, "how-the-hell-did-he-get-here-and-is-it-JUST-POSSIBLY-NOT-A-COINCIDENCE-that-an-enormous-black-ship-in-the-shape-of-a-grasping-skeletal-hand-also-just-arrived" ... all the way to Shepard's half-dead, reeling-with-unimaginable-pain-bone-tired-and-under-greater-stress-than-during-the-Skyllian-Blitz mind conjuring from her guilt the face of a child she couldn't save to interact with one last phantom before making the ultimate choice.

(edit: clarity)

At least half of the issues you bring up are either addressed directly at some point in the games, or are easily solved with a little bit of logic and common sense. The same is not true of the plot holes in the ending.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 18 avril 2012 - 04:39 .

[AJRimmsey]

AlanC9 wrote...

Drogonion wrote...

I'm dumbfounded that anyone could think the current ending(s) was "good." Then again people say things all the time without knowing what they mean. Such as, "I'm a nihilist," or "Who cares about nihilism," or "Nihilism? What's the big deal?"

How come you're bringing up nihilism? I know there was someone on this board who kept accusing the ending of being nihilistic, but he obviously didn't know what the word meant.

so many times peoples wording can cause trouble

i was in a restaurant the other night when a guy to my left says "can you not masticate so loudly ?"

i sat there thinking "who the feck are you to criticise my open mouthed eating?"

then the guy to my right got up,pull his trousers up and left.

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[JBONE27]

grifter024 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...



They can write endings, they did a great job. It's your opinion that they can't.

Not just my opinion since the backlash towards how they did the ending has FORCED Bioware to make DLC specifically for the ending. Needless to say I agree I've seen the endings, I've seen the videos, I've seen people arguing on bashing the ending and the other side of the coin people defending Bioware and their convoluted ending.

Can I deal with some nobody child that was shown in the beginning be in my Sheps dreams, sure. Can I deal with said child that I have no time to care enough about him that the reveal at the end actually affected my shep or me as a player for that matter actually matter? Sure to a point although after seeing the vids I still didn't feel anything towards the kid (I have no idea how someone feels any sympathy towards a kid we know nothing about but is just called Starchild) 

Can I deal with all the plot holes that they couldn't write out leading up to the reveal and afterwards or what happens to characters I actually cared about, or how the endings are the exact same but in one ending the Reapers fall down...that is a big NO.

JBONE27 wrote...
The endings to DA:O were great.

I just didn't like the end of Morrigans arc...she leaves no matter what, would have been nice after all your talks and tries to bust her out of her shell she STILL leaves.  I do agree though...DA2 not at all though.

They did have the Witch Hunt DLC, though I didn't buy it because they messed up the expansion pack hard.  I mean, the plot to that was dull, and I couldn't have any of my favorite teammates at my side.  Where's my Leliana, my Shale, my Alistar (alright he does make an appearence, but part of the reason I got him to marry what's her name is so that he could go on more adventures with me).
Also, it was well within Morrigan's character to run off.  Which encompases several of my complaints about the ME3 ending.  That is that of character.
1.  Liara would have absoultely searched for Shepard's body and tried to replicate the Lazarus Project using the tools at her disposal as the Shadow Broker.
2.  Joker would have stayed on the battlefield until either all the reapers were dead or the Normandy was completely destroyed with him on it.
3.  Shepard would have absolutely questioned and argued with the starchild... at least my Shepard would.  She would have said, "You're giving me three choices?  Bull****, the only reason you're doing this is because you're scared.  We will fight, and we will win.  You said it yourself, your precious cycle has been broken.  It was broken by the Geth/Quarian peace.  It was broken by the Krogan/Turian alliance.  It was broken by the simple fact that EDI and the geth gained their humanity.  You don't call the shots anymore, and your reasoning is idiotically insane."  Actually that would have been awesome.

[Rosey]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Whether or not you liked or disliked the ending usually boils down to how much you care and your ability to pay attention to details and inconsistencies.

To each their own I suppose.

You're wrong, but go ahead and keep trying to push that one. I care a great deal. I've played very close attention. In fact I'm on playthrough 6 at the moment. I also started playing in ME1, which debunks the theory that people who liked the endings only played the third game.

Can I see what's fundamentally wrong with it? Yes.

Do I get why people are upset? Absolutely.

Does it mean I didn't enjoy it? Void no.

People are allowed to like it. There are a number of different reasons, up to and including that the whole thing in and of itself is wonderful and we're not about to let 5 minutes of what-the-****ery ruin the whole experience. Stop telling folks their opinions are wrong just because you don't agree with them. Agree to disagree. Feel free to try and convince them otherwise -- but at the end of the day, it's their own opinion.

Modifié par Gilliy, 18 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[AlanC9]

SirVincealot wrote...
- The Milky Way is roughly 100 000 light-years across, yet the Normandy zips about fast enough to bring a mortally wounded team member to Citadel ICU in time to save her. Granted the ability of Mass Relays to whip a ship instantenously from A to B (and how exactly does it do that?), a frigate still has to use "conventional" FTL inside star clusters. Just how fast is FTL: 100x the speed of light? 1000x? 100 000x?

Nitpick time. According to convos in ME1 and Codex entries, military ships travel at something over 4000x lightspeed. That's short-term; issues like refuelling and core discharge would make the maximum speed a good deal less. Reapers travel at something over 2x that speed without charge or fuel constraints.

I'll agree with those who called hypocrisy on these boards but add that there seems to be plenty of it to go around on both sides of the debate. As for me, I booted up MASS EFFECT and instanly placed it into the "space fantasy" camp (mass effect = magic / eezo = mana) then rolled with it.

Note that ME was originally billed as being based on 70s-80s sci-fi. That's an awfully vague concept, of course, but to the extent it has any meaning at all we should have expected ME to be space fantasy.

[Sgt Stryker]

AlanC9 wrote...

Note that ME was originally billed as being based on 70s-80s sci-fi. That's an awfully vague concept, of course, but to the extent it has any meaning at all we should have expected ME to be space fantasy.

I wouldn't consider The Wrath of Khan, Blade Runner, or The Terminator to be space fantasy films. Star Wars, sure.

[Giubba]

[quote]JBONE27 wrote...

So, you like the fact that absoluetly nothing we did during the previous two games mattered? 

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Yes, Shepard is just a man not the center of the universe. The fact that the choices made from Shepard had little inpact on the final results make the whole story more believable to me,

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You like the fact that the catalyst was a little kid for whom most people feel nothing?  
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.....The kid was an hologram and if you feel nothing over a dead kid than something is very wrong with you

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You like the fact that we couldn't question the kid?  
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Don't care and Shepard's intestine were spilling out so spending some time chatting wasn't exactly a top priority in that moment

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You like the fact that the kid's reasoning is counterintuitive?
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Don't care

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 You like the fact that all of the endings looked the same?  
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A higher visual difference between ending would be gladly accepted

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You like the fact that in the lead up to the game Casey Hudson said that the ending wouldn't come down to an A, B, C, choice even though that's exactly what it came down to?  
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Do you still believe to pre game marketing? Any chance you are a US citizen ?

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You like the fact that the allies we gathered over the course of the game were reduced to a number?  
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Don't care

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You like the fact that the conduit lied to us both overtly "All synthetics will die, the reapers, the geth, EDI, even you have synthetic parts,"  yet, both Shepard and EDI can be shown surviving the destruction, or implicitly, such as only mentioning that the mass relays explode if you chose destruction eventhough they explode reguardless of what you chose?
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Before answering this point that require a longer explanation i must ask this. EDI survive even if you choose the destruction ending?

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You like the fact that a game built on choice and cosequences, in the end gives you little choice and shows you no consequences?
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Don't care

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You like the fact that reguardless of what you choose, everyone you brought is stranded in the Sol System for however long it takes to travel to another system?
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Hell yes, great inception for a new trilogy

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You like the fact that there was no end fight, even if the fight was with words?
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Don't care, i play for the story not for beating ME's Ganondorf

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You like the fact that they complely changed genres in the last five minutes?
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What?

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You like the fact that the end protagonist was the kid instead of Shepard?
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Again, what?

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You like the fact that, since at least some of your squadmates are on the Normandy on that planet, and you're stuck on Earth, that they didn't even look for your body, even though, if it is your LI (especially Liara) it is completely out of character?
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I would preferred that bioware showed us how the normandy crew reached the escape scene but i don't understand your problem.
Normandy's crew don't know anyting about the energy generated by the citadel so they choose to flee and avoiding death so they have the chance to search for shepard instead of dying and not being able to look at all for Shep.

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You like the fact that Shepard is completely out of character as (s)he is talking to the kid... well for most people anyway?
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Can i shoot you in the gut, waiting 10 of minutes for reaching the same amount of blood loss that shepard suffered and than monitoring your reaction for checking if they are in line with your usual behavior?

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You like the fact that we don't know what happened to any of the races?
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Yes i want MOAR

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You like the fact that the grandfather telling a story comes from completely out of nowhere?
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See above

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You like the fact that it ends with an advertisement for upcomming DLC?
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see above x2

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You like all of that?
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Most of it

[AlanC9]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Note that ME was originally billed as being based on 70s-80s sci-fi. That's an awfully vague concept, of course, but to the extent it has any meaning at all we should have expected ME to be space fantasy.

I wouldn't consider The Wrath of Khan, Blade Runner, or The Terminator to be space fantasy films. Star Wars, sure.

Good points; I was thinking more of TV. Note that while TWoK itself doesn't have any space fantasy elements, the wider Trek universe is crammed with the stuff.

Well, except for those mind-control bugs, which are only slightly more plausible than Babel fish.

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 avril 2012 - 05:52 .