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[incinerator950]

After Skyrim and Morrowind, no, those spoiled me. Timesplitters and Star Wars Battlefront, Demon Souls, Armored Core For Answer, TIE Fighter. Kotor, Medievil (Original), Dino Crisis 1 and 2.

Those games stick to me, games that will probably never be achieved again. All three ME's? Good moments, but the time I put into all three ME's in the last six years pales in comparison to the 2000+ hours I put into Morrowind. Under 100 hours of Medievil 1, and I can quote every one lined morbid comedic line over ME 1, and can still play the game without wanting to pass out. As opposed to the 100+ hours in ME 1 alone.

A lot of people can agree, the only Bioware game to really spoil anyone was Baldur's Gate 2, Kotor, or Jade Empire. Everything else... not so much.

[Vormaerin]

incinerator950 wrote...

After Skyrim and Morrowind, no, those spoiled me. Timesplitters and Star Wars Battlefront, Demon Souls, Armored Core For Answer, TIE Fighter. Kotor, Medievil (Original), Dino Crisis 1 and 2.

Those games stick to me, games that will probably never be achieved again. All three ME's? Good moments, but the time I put into all three ME's in the last six years pales in comparison to the 2000+ hours I put into Morrowind. Under 100 hours of Medievil 1, and I can quote every one lined morbid comedic line over ME 1, and can still play the game without wanting to pass out. As opposed to the 100+ hours in ME 1 alone.

A lot of people can agree, the only Bioware game to really spoil anyone was Baldur's Gate 2, Kotor, or Jade Empire. Everything else... not so much.

For the BG2 era, Planescape Torment was so much better it wasn't a contest.

As for TES, I don't know.  They just all feel hollow.  Yay,  I can wander around forever doing random things with interchangeable people.  Plus fun stuff like becoming archmage by whacking the other dude with a sword until he fell over.  Was there even a dozen NPCs with actual personalities in Morrowind?  

If you love exploring and that kind of thing, TES is a great series.  But its not trying to do anything remotely like story or character focused gameplay.

[Dridengx]

Everyone always brings up BG and Planescape Torment but no one remember Temple of Elemental Evil or Icewind Dale ;/

[kumquats]

Provo_101 wrote...

I'm sad again.

*grabs whiskey*

“What we did doesn’t compromise our artistic integrity,” Badowski said. “We didn’t change the ending, but extended the outro. The story of The Witcher 2 is complete, and we didn’t change the writing. By extending
the outro we mean adding new cinematics to it. We are really proud of what our story team did, so there was no point in changing that. What we added is a short cutscene and a series of final-boards. These short scenes will change depending on the player’s choices in the game. They show how your decisions influenced individual characters, locations and kingdoms. Our game was always about choice, and this is a neat way to
show players how they really had control over the story.”

I don't think anyone bought our Polish friends Cupcakes.

I hope the double standard how the gaming community treated Witcher 2 and ME3, didn't hit anyone critical.

Modifié par kumquats, 18 avril 2012 - 08:46 .

[incinerator950]

Vormaerin wrote...

As for TES, I don't know.  They just all feel hollow.  Yay,  I can wander around forever doing random things with interchangeable people.  Plus fun stuff like becoming archmage by whacking the other dude with a sword until he fell over.  Was there even a dozen NPCs with actual personalities in Morrowind?  

If you love exploring and that kind of thing, TES is a great series.  But its not trying to do anything remotely like story or character focused gameplay.

Vivic, Fyr, Cato, Wulf, the chief at the Mead Hall, the Patriarch of the Tribunal Temple, The Mudcrab Merchant, The shop skamp, The Khajiit Lying bastard who has been in three Elder Scrolls games now, Big Head, Aryon Telvanni, Eno Hlaalu.

It's completely character focused gameplay, your character.  It is not an interactive novel.  It is closer to an RPG than ME is closer to a Soap Opera than a game.  I've always enjoyed the main quests in Fallout and Elderscrolls, despite the explorative or Sandbox themes they have.  Unfortunately, Bethesda really enjoys there prisoner intro.  Which is funny, because in several games, actual personality shouldn't be defined because someone can spend an extra thirty seconds to two minutes defining a problem or life story to your character.  That goes for misc. NPCs, which every RPG still has. 

If we're going to go into a game where we describe real character interaction with NPCs, overall game focus to story and character, I'll go break out some Rulebooks and we can pen and paper it. 

Edit: I didn't play BG2 or Planescape, or most PC RPGs.  I wasn't a big PC gamer and I'm still not.  

Modifié par incinerator950, 18 avril 2012 - 08:58 .

[Vormaerin]

Dridengx wrote...

Everyone always brings up BG and Planescape Torment but no one remember Temple of Elemental Evil or Icewind Dale ;/

ToEE had the best D&D combat ever in an computer game.  But it wasn't exactly overflowing with RP.  I was amused the one time I accidentally used an entrance to the middle levels of  the Temple on my noob party and was able to use my map from the p&p module to find the way to the exit. 

Icewind Dale was definitely an action game first and an RPG a distant second.   Lots of fun, though.

[Vormaerin]

incinerator950 wrote...

It's completely character focused gameplay, your character.

Yeah, just like Diablo2 is.  Blizzard calls that an RPG, you know.

It is not an interactive novel.  It is closer to an RPG than ME is closer to a Soap Opera than a game. 

Well, if Planescape and ME2 are interactive novels in your world, I guess I want a lot more interactive novels and a lot less RPGs.

But I think you should play some actual interactive novel games from Japan before you get confused like that...

[kingtigernz]

kumquats wrote...

Provo_101 wrote...

The Witcher 2 turned me off of gaming, similar to how I COULDN'T play any other games after the Suicide Mission in ME2 ended. It was just TOO AMAZING.

The Witcher 2 is... just... it's just so...

****ing satisfying.

No, because nothing you do in Witcher 2, will extremely affect the ending of the game. You just have to wait for Witcher 3.

Oh, I'm having a deja-vu.

I have faith in CDProjekt actually delivering what is expected by fans of the series in the next installment .I would be shocked it they pulled a Bioware,spun a heap of rubbish and made peoples decicions mean nothing in The Witcher 3.To me they seem to actually vaule the customer not just  their money.Downloading the FREE dlc for it as we speak 

Modifié par kingtigernz, 18 avril 2012 - 09:11 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

kingtigernz wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Provo_101 wrote...

The Witcher 2 turned me off of gaming, similar to how I COULDN'T play any other games after the Suicide Mission in ME2 ended. It was just TOO AMAZING.

The Witcher 2 is... just... it's just so...

****ing satisfying.

No, because nothing you do in Witcher 2, will extremely affect the ending of the game. You just have to wait for Witcher 3.

Oh, I'm having a deja-vu.

I have faith in CDProjekt actually delivering what is expected by fans of the series in the next installment .I would be shocked it they pulled a Bioware,spun a heap of rubbish and made peoples decicions mean nothing in The Witcher 3.To me they seem to actually vaule the customer not just  their money.Downloading the FREE dlc for it as we speak 

I don't know much history about CDProjekt but I have never heard or remember hearing so much about them until the first Witcher.  So basically they made 1 game THEN started getting so much praise.

These tutorials and such that make games easier to get into don't make the game less deep.  The first Witcher didn't have this but lots of PC gamers mistook this for being deep.  The different tabs and whatnot you had to go through to get things done through alchemy and such was ridiculous.....but again, it wasn't user friendly so lots of PC gamers went "THIS IS DEEP!!!"

Then TW2 is annouced and PC gamers all around boast about it.  When it comes out, it's nothing like the original in terms of combat and mechanics.  It seems more action oriented....then the 360 version is confirmed.

Well, well.....not only that but they include an arena and a tutorial.  Things that back in the day lots of PC gamers said made games worse b/c gamers were stupid now-a-days and should read the manual.

TW2 is more consolized than the first.....but it is better.  But PC gamers had already put CDProjekt and TW games on a their shoulders and couldn't take it back. 

Just how I see it.  There are devs that get bad wrap b/c they try and make their games less niche and more accessible and fun and get hammerred for it. 

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 18 avril 2012 - 09:22 .

[Camthalon]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

And the solution is to make fun of someone's personal taste, just because they disagree with you? 

Like you do in your signature?  Hyppocrite much?

[ringdrossel]

ME3 lowered the bar. It didn't raise it. Dialogue options and missions were dumbed down to a max and no choice reflection in the ending killed it. Making it not much more then a very simple on rails shooter but without the graphics modern shooters do offer. I loved Dragon Age 1, Mass Effect 1 - best games I played so far in this genre. But ME3 - is not appealing to a thoughtful mind but more to the 12 yo COD player.

[kumquats]

kingtigernz wrote...
I have faith in CDProjekt actually delivering what is expected by fans of the series in the next installment .I would be shocked it they pulled a Bioware,spun a heap of rubbish and made peoples decicions mean nothing in The Witcher 3.To me they seem to actually vaule the customer not just  their money.Downloading the FREE dlc for it as we speak 

ME3 and Witcher2 get and have an extended cut, because the fans where not happy with the ending.
The one game gets bashed, the other game is the best thing that ever happened.

That's my problem.

[PayneUK]

@kumquats

The Witcher 2 is getting a major overhaul of things that were wrong or could be improved upon because the developers wanted to give the players the best experience after reading feedback.  From what we have been told by the ME3 developers all we are getting  is having the endings explained/expanded because the developers feel they were right, nothing is being changed and it is to be seen if it will improve anything.

HUGE difference.

As for the OP, I'm glad you so thourghaly enjoyed ME3, to me it does seem as though you are going slightly over-board as I just can't see it myself, but personal preference and all that.  Even though ME3 was very good for large parts of it there is just simply too many very bad parts to for me to ever consider it a defineing game. 

ME3 will stick around for along time, people will talk about it for along time and I will even play it for along time but that is more down to ME1 and ME2 setting the tone and getting people so invested in the story, if ME3 were the only one in the serise then I hazard a guess that many people would have simply just played, enjoyed and shelved it and moved on to the next thing.

Modifié par haloisi, 18 avril 2012 - 09:48 .

[AkiKishi]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

No offense, but if Mass Effect 3 is the defining game in your life, you need to play more games.

[AkiKishi]

kumquats wrote...

kingtigernz wrote...
I have faith in CDProjekt actually delivering what is expected by fans of the series in the next installment .I would be shocked it they pulled a Bioware,spun a heap of rubbish and made peoples decicions mean nothing in The Witcher 3.To me they seem to actually vaule the customer not just  their money.Downloading the FREE dlc for it as we speak 

ME3 and Witcher2 get and have an extended cut, because the fans where not happy with the ending.
The one game gets bashed, the other game is the best thing that ever happened.

That's my problem.

I'm not an expert on the Witcher but from what I understand CDPR went above and beyond any reasonable expectation in their "fix" and in addition made it free. 

[KDD-0063]

That's possible.
But if you go play BG2 or PST or something, the bar will probably be even higher.

Oh wait.
I have actually seen your stream. No comments.
And your no-death ruleset will probably not work with BG2 (especially with Ascension installed), or PST.
With BG2, you'll probably just end up creating your character over and over again. and with PST, your rule will either mean nothing or you will never be able to complete the game.

[chevyguy87]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

You need to play more games then. Seriously if ME3 was the highest bar for you in terms of gaming then you should probably just quit gaming. Like right now.

You can take that and shove it up your a**. I'm with the OP on this one I find the ME series to be the pinnacle for me. I don't play games that often because I have other things to do. If any YOU need to play less games and go outside more often.

Good Day

[hangmans tree]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

I don't know much history about CDProjekt but I have never heard or remember hearing so much about them until the first Witcher.  So basically they made 1 game THEN started getting so much praise.

These tutorials and such that make games easier to get into don't make the game less deep.  The first Witcher didn't have this but lots of PC gamers mistook this for being deep.  The different tabs and whatnot you had to go through to get things done through alchemy and such was ridiculous.....but again, it wasn't user friendly so lots of PC gamers went "THIS IS DEEP!!!"

Then TW2 is annouced and PC gamers all around boast about it.  When it comes out, it's nothing like the original in terms of combat and mechanics.  It seems more action oriented....then the 360 version is confirmed.

Well, well.....not only that but they include an arena and a tutorial.  Things that back in the day lots of PC gamers said made games worse b/c gamers were stupid now-a-days and should read the manual.

TW2 is more consolized than the first.....but it is better.  But PC gamers had already put CDProjekt and TW games on a their shoulders and couldn't take it back. 

Just how I see it.  There are devs that get bad wrap b/c they try and make their games less niche and more accessible and fun and get hammerred for it. 

I think you are misinformed and have a compeletly vague idea why TW2 gets so much praise. Or why did TW1. If you think that it was the extensive journal that was DEEP, then I have nothing more to add... try to dig deeper nex time maybe?

[mmm buddah23]

ME 1 is eons better, the ending is better, the gameplay is better, the leveling system is better, the only thing that is better in ME 3 is the graphics. thats it. I played three 1 - 3playthroughs now in a row, and I always get goosebumps at the end of 1, but 3 its just like....god damnit.

[OlympusMons423]

I can see this. Most of ME3 and ME2 and 1, have set the bar very high. But the down side of it is, that ending of ME3 made me hate video games.. all video games for a bout a week. Call it overreacting, but its just the truth.

I am back playing my Fem Shepard. I wish I could have imported her face exactly as it was, but its close enough now after some labor. The multi player is fun, but its really not even in teh same ball park as to what, and why I loved this game.

If they did this game justice with an ending it deserved...f they got their heads out of their very shortsighted little box.... this game would have been historical legend. Now its a legend for the worst possible reasons....10 minutes of the worst choices possible.

[Mercannis]

kumquats wrote...

kingtigernz wrote...
I have faith in CDProjekt actually delivering what is expected by fans of the series in the next installment .I would be shocked it they pulled a Bioware,spun a heap of rubbish and made peoples decicions mean nothing in The Witcher 3.To me they seem to actually vaule the customer not just  their money.Downloading the FREE dlc for it as we speak 

ME3 and Witcher2 get and have an extended cut, because the fans where not happy with the ending.
The one game gets bashed, the other game is the best thing that ever happened.

That's my problem.

WRONG !  There was some outcry over how short the third chapter was in comparison with the first two but it isnt to be compared with the ****estorm here.
Btw i loaded 3 of my 7 saves of TW2 and ALL my decisions are reflected in the ending cinematics. They promised and they delivered .

Im indifferent to the ME 3 endings though as i never viewed the series as an RPG to begin with.

[Nadya2]

ME· is so good!, that even barbies paradise land. looks epic compares to it

[Vez04]

OP.

Really more dragon age installments?

DA2 would like to have a word with you.

[Tirranek]

ME remains one of my favourite series, regardless of its flaws.

That said, try Alpha Protocol. It's a worse game, mechanics wise, but as a story that morphs to fit your decisions, there's nothing else like it.

[gosimmons]

I'm hearing a lot of "There are better game series," but not a lot of examples.