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[alpha54]

Yep, agreed with OP. I've been catching up on other games recently now I've finished replaying the ME series, and they really pale in comparison. ME3 is miles above almost anything else out there right now.

[Lewie]

spiros9110 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

No offense, but if Mass Effect 3 is the defining game in your life, you need to play more games.

This.

+1

QFT

Yes, how dare someone enjoy a game you don't. 

I mean, really. The nerve.

Word.  

Word. OK, you cannot back up a statement because people need closure or clarification as to why. ME3 is not a defining game and shouldn't be called such. It is simply the third part of a story. It is also a game that has moved on impressively with gameplay mechanics, graphics, bar a few flaws but they have to address the ending, given. They have to not let ME3 be the game that destroyed Bioware's reputation with fans. They have to not let ME3 multiplayer be the reason for this so the company will make more money. It has nothing to do with who enjoys a game or why that is already a given. Gaming is a part of our life and many games don't have great endings but it doesn't matter because the narrative behind it, or the sandbox, or the simple weaponry, or the dialogue whatever... just kinda swept us along. That is ok. If people love ME3 that is ok. If they don't that is ok. I am really disliking this thing that not liking ME3 is somehow my problem, or i'm trolling, or all the other rubbish i'v read because frankly anyone that would hate on people that are unhappy with ME3, imo are dodgy. Sorry but there it is.

[Gatt9]

Calbeb wrote...

Mass Effect 3 does set the bar on emotional storytelling through much of the game's run though. The relationship with other companions were amazing well-done. A lof the story closure (such as on Rannoch and Tunchunga) were deeply engaging. I actually laughed and teared up multiple times throughout the game.

That is a BIG BAR for other games to match. Yah the ending sucked, but it seems just as rediculous to say that it lowered the bar s that it tainted all other games.

I would argue that it largely doesn't.  The story is ripped almost entirely from Dragon Age Origins...

"You are the only one who can save the (World, Galaxy),  from the invading (Darkspawn, Reapers) who have been lurking in the dark places (Beneath the ground,  beyond the edge of the galaxy),  because of your contact with the mystlcal artifact!  It has given you powers and understanding beyond other mortals.  You must travel to these (cities, planets) and persuade the (Elves, Werewolves, Dwarves, Humans) (Turians, Krogans, Salarians, Asari, Quarians) to join you in the final battle for the (World, Galaxy)!"

Given,  you can't really write a story without trampling on someone else's work,  I still have to say there's no bar setting when you rehash DAO in less than two years (When they started developing ME3).

As far as the story telling for the sub-stories,  again,  they rehashed the same "Poignant" substory 4 times in the same game,  one of them so contrived it was ridiculous (Legion's story).  It would've been emotional if they'd done it once,  by the 4th time it's lost it's magic.

The game itself retains all of ME2's linearity and corridors,  I'd argue that Final Fantasy 13 was less linear,  simply because at one point in FF13 I can run around freely,  while ME3 is a straight corridor from begining to end.  Which is highly ironic given comments from Bioware employee's about FF13's linearity.

It's more ironic when you consider that like FF13,  the goal of ME3 is to move you from one cutscene to another with a few combats in between.

Then there's the fact that you only need two guns for the whole game.  Sniper rifle and Salarian pistol is the solution to every problem.  With the salarian pistol,  you can often even ignore cover,  it's a one shot kill for almost all enemies,  two shot for a couple,  and only 3 enemies require more.

The leveling system is beyond weak,  there's no hard choices,  you'll never make tradeoffs.  As is the weapon upgrade system,  find damage mod,  apply to weapon.  There's never a reason to pick anything else.  Don't even get me started on picking up the same upgrades 10 times through the whole game.

The sidequests are largely fedex quests,  the few that aren't are just "If it moves,  shoot it,  when you see a button,  press it",  with only one or two exceptions.

The auto-dialogue is kind of obnoxious considering that the series was based on being able to choose your statements.

Then there's the ending that just discards all of the story,  ignores every decsion,  and just magic's everything all-better.

I'm not saying it's a bad game,  it's a little above average.  I'm saying that this is not bar setting.  There's much better examples of storylnes in gaming,  and much,  much,  better examples in game design.  This was clearly designed for purposes other than "Let's make a great game",  it was designed by marketing departments and suit's long term revenue plans.

Which is definitely not a bar I would want the industry following.

[B-Ri.hoosier]

No offense OP, but are you trolling? If anything, Mass Effect 3 made me not want to pre-order any new game by EAware.

[B-Ri.hoosier]

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

I loved the game myself. It had everything I wanted and more even if the ending was a bit of a let down. I honestly think people criticize it to much. I mean majority of the people who say they hate it, hate it cause of the endings.

I'd say the ending was the LEAST of my issues with the game. Basically, it's a Gears-of-Deus-Ex "RPG" with the least amount of branching storyline in any Bioware game to date. Running and gunning has been made way too easy to accomplish. The plot was rushed, and a Reaper-killing device was just pulled out of the writers' ass. Not to mention that every ME2 character felt like a sitcom walk-on. It's also got enough QTE's and long cinematics to make Uncharted jealous.

Modifié par B-Ri.hoosier, 07 mai 2012 - 05:33 .

[Kanaris]

I think the name of this topic should have been

"Mass Effect 3 lowered the bar so low I tripped over it."

[PrussianBlue]

Play the Witcher 2. Nuff said here.

[augmented shephard]

The only other game that I have played since I got ME3 is ME1. Started another trilogy play through.

[jtrook]

I am glad you liked ME3 BUT! there are games that out-do ME3. Witcher 2 has a better story and more pure RPG elements and more engaging combat design. Skyrim had a more expansive, organic world. Gears of War 3 had better multiplayer and shooting combat. I could keep going if you want? or are you trolling...

[ME 3]

@Father_Jerusalem

stfu i don't care about your opinion as you care for no-one else's.
YOU are the true whiner, complaining about people having free will then harassing them when they have a different opinion. What king circular broken f*cking logic is that? You are an annoyance, nothing more.

[snfonseka]

Luzarius wrote...

After finishing Mass Effect 3 I've been unable to bring myself to play non-bioware games.  Bioware I just want to say you did a fine job with ME3.  However, it's important you understand my dilemma. You raised the bar so high with ME3 that now I have no single player game to play.

Please consider making more games like the following:

Dragon Age Series
Mass Effect Series
Witcher Series (I know it's non-bioware but it was inspired by Bioware. Witcher 1 used aurora engine by bioware)

These have been my favorite single player RPG's to play since 2007.

However there isn't enough Bioware games.  Please come up with more new & original series and release them in such a way where I'll always have an epic single player game to play. Thank you. The next game I have to look forward to is Dragon Age 3 and who knows how long that will be.

What does this have to do with Mass Effect 3? ME3 raised the bar so high that I don't know what games I'm going to play after KOTOR 1 & 2.  Bioware please make more games.

I looked at other sub-forums and had no idea where else to post this thread, my apologies.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

It was inspired by BW? How so, because they use the same engine? For me, ME3 raised the bar low that I have decided not to pre-order next BW game.

[Sebbe1337o]

It's the opposite for me really. ME3 put my bar so low that I can enjoy pretty much any game now.

[Kanaris]

The game may be good but it is not great and it sure as hell didn't raise any bars.

[chester013]

I would recommend you try other games, you may enjoy ME3 and all but there's better games out there. Don't get me wrong, if I ignore the ending it's a decent enough game when you are on actual missions (the psuedo side quests are painfully dull though) but it didn't hold my attention like ME1 or 2 did.

ME3 did actually inspired me to look outside my usual choices for games and I'm working my way though several low-fi indie adventure games, as well as a few old classics, X-COM being one of those. Just need a DOS emulator to get Day of the Tentacle to work, now those games set a benchmark.

Modifié par chester013, 07 mai 2012 - 05:25 .

[Kreid]

I see people are really hurt around here, I can understand the ending rage and all but....I haven't seen many games giving me such quality parts as the ME3 Tuchanka mission, and I've played my shares of them.

Don't liking the ending is ok but saying things like "the game lowered the bar so low..." is hyperbolic to say the least.

Modifié par Creid-X, 07 mai 2012 - 05:31 .

[Kanaris]

Creid-X wrote...

I see people are really hurt around here, I can understand the ending rage and all but....I haven't seen many games giving me such quality parts as the ME3 Tuchanka mission, and I've played my shares of them.

Don't liking the ending is ok but saying things like "the game lowered the bar so low..." is hyperbolic to say the least.

Based on the first two games ME3 did lower the bar drastically this one doesn't even come close to matching ME and ME2

[floppypig16]

jtrook wrote...

I am glad you liked ME3 BUT! there are games that out-do ME3. Witcher 2 has a better story and more pure RPG elements and more engaging combat design. Skyrim had a more expansive, organic world. Gears of War 3 had better multiplayer and shooting combat. I could keep going if you want? or are you trolling...

Gotta disagree there. In my opinion, The Witcher 2 has a weaker story than Mass Effect 3. Also, the combat mechanics aren't even that great. They're good, but pretty average when compared to ME3 or, something more similar, Batman Arkham Asylum/City (which it drew inspiration from, I believe).

In fact, I'd say the first Witcher is better than the second. More characters, better story, bigger world. I was really looking forward to the Witcher 2 and, honestly, I was kind of disappointed. Have you played the first one?

[Druzgot]

ME3 was nothink special. They made it like hollywood movie, an because of that i prefered me1. It felt more real in every aspect

[Nero Narmeril]

Play Witcher and Witcher 2.

[Bocks]

You have a really, really low bar.

Go play Homeworld. Or Total Annihilation.

[Raizo]

For me it's ME2 that raised the bar so very high that I now compare every single game that I play to it and every single game n that I have played since ME2 came out has fallen very short of all my expectations ( ME3 included ).