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[BiancoAngelo7]

I apologize if someone has already mentioned this, but I realized this while I was working late passing the time on the forums instead of writing up contracts like I should have been....

Ok so every single loading screen in the game is similar right? In the sense that they completely take you out of the game telling you little tidbits of information about the game etc etc addressing you as the person who is playing the game.

So why then, is there a loading screen when you get hit the beam in london that basically shows you what you should be seeing while being transported by the beam? You know, the one where you see all the blue "beamy" lights right before you get to the Citadel?

My question revolves around this, why would the ONLY unique loading screen in the entire game be one that is made to show you what is happening as you are being transported up to the citadel? Addressing you as Shepard instead of addressing you as all the other loading screens, as the person playing?

Wouldn't it have been much easier and simpler, as it has been established wthroughout the game, to just put in another standard loading screen?

I humbly believe ( I may be wrong of course, no one is infallible ) that the inclusion of this single unique loading screen is because Bioware wants to convince US as in the real human player that we are being transported to the Citadel. What other reason could there be?

Sure, you could say they just wanted to make a loading screen pretty and "immerse" you into the story, but then why is there no other loading screen in the ENTIRE game that follows the same logic, showing you the barren wastes of Tuchanka while you land or the battles of Thessia while landing there?

The only other comparable example I can think of is the standard "FTL flight" loading screen, with Normandy bathed in the spectrum of colors produced by ftl travel. But I believe it cannot be considered as something that disproves my opinion because basically, it's a loading screen that has been in the game in one form or another since the very first ME1.

I may be wrong, but I believe there is a strange element to the fact that the ONLY loading screen in the entire game that is not the standard loading screen is one that is used right after your supposed indoctrination.

When you add this to the fact that the "white light" that you see as you are being transported up to the Catalyst is the same as the white light you see when you wake up from the dreams with the kid, it feels to me that there is a strong chance this is Bioware's attempt to make you, personally, believe that you are being transported to the Citadel, and since there is no reason to actively TRY to make you believe this (ie: a normal loading screen would have sufficed) I believe it suggests there is an ulterior motive for this one single unique loading screen.

Thoughts?

(and please don't troll me just because I believe in IT theory, I know that it's just a theory and that the ending may just be bad because it's bad)

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 18 avril 2012 - 02:24 .

[Swimming Ferret]

Oh please, the Indoctrination Theory is just some fans in denial; they need to accept that the end Mass Effect 3 is just a plothole ridden mess and deal with it.

[EHondaMashButton]

You should buy the final hours app. Its available for PC now. It tells you a ton about the development. There was going to be a section where Shepard was indoctrinated and the player lost control, but it got scrapped because it was clunky. So that could explain why what's left of the ending points towards IT.

I think this will give you some much needed closure.

http://me3finalhours.com/

[BiancoAngelo7]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Oh please, the Indoctrination Theory is just some fans in denial; they need to accept that the end Mass Effect 3 is just a plothole ridden mess and deal with it.

Ok, it's not my intention to make a thread saying why indoctrination is true, but if you're going to categorcally explain away all of the hints and things that fit with indoctrination as "bad writing" then it starts to get pretty ridiculous when you add them all up...

parabolee.blogspot.com/


I mean, one example of bad writing? Sure

A few examples? Maybe, but still "ok sure"

A shi* load of things that point to Indoctrination? "methinks the plot thickens"

I mean disagree if you like, but you can't just say there's no evidence for it and we're all in denial...

EHondaMashButton wrote...

You should buy the final hours
app. Its available for PC now. It tells you a ton about the
development. There was going to be a section where Shepard was
indoctrinated and the player lost control, but it got scrapped because
it was clunky. So that could explain why what's left of the ending
points towards IT.

I think this will give you some much needed closure.

http://me3finalhours.com/

hey there dude   Yeah I read about that, but if you pay close attention, they say they scrapped the "gameplay" section of Shepard becoming FULLY indoctrnated. I think it's interesting how they didn't say that the concept of Shepard being indoctrinated was scrapped...

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 18 avril 2012 - 02:41 .

[shepskisaac]

I don't believe in IT but the loading screen picked my interest. I don't remember it at all. Granted, I play on Master Platform so the level may have loaded so fast the loading screen didn't even manage to fire up But I'm still interested, anyone has a screen/video of this loading screen with Shep?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[shepskisaac]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

You should buy the final hours app. Its available for PC now. It tells you a ton about the development. There was going to be a section where Shepard was indoctrinated and the player lost control, but it got scrapped because it was clunky.

That section is still in the game. It's the TIM scene. Game files in that scene are named "indoctrination". That's what they were reffering to. But indoctrination doesn't extend to other scenes. It happens because it's possible thanks to TIM's shiny new implants. When TIM dies, indoctrination/control ends.

[Emptypockets319]

I just wish Bioware would come out and say the Indoctrination Theory is right or wrong instead of just stringing us along.

[Swimming Ferret]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Oh please, the Indoctrination Theory is just some fans in denial; they need to accept that the end Mass Effect 3 is just a plothole ridden mess and deal with it.

Ok, it's not my intention to make a thread saying why indoctrination is true, but if you're going to categorcally explain away all of the hints and things that fit with indoctrination as "bad writing" then it starts to get pretty ridiculous when you add them all up...

parabolee.blogspot.com/


I mean, one example of bad writing? Sure

A few examples? Maybe, but still "ok sure"

A shi* load of things that point to Indoctrination? "methinks the plot thickens"

I mean disagree if you like, but you can't just say there's no evidence for it and we're all in denial...

Bioware dropped the ball with ME3; it's just a fact. They had so much crap to try and tie up, and their lead writer went off and they basically said "Oh screw it" and we got Godchild to explain everything and use awesome circular logic on us to explain the Reapers and give us a RGB ending.

From ME Final Hours

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an
endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's
movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped
because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement
alongside dialogue choices).

Yes, they played around with the Indoctronation Theory, BUT IT WAS DROPPED. It is not in the final game, therefore it doesn't exist. Bioware already made it clear they think the end is fantastic and they aren't gonna change it. There is not magical brainwashing innerplot, no matter how many fans try to salavge common sense out of the sh!t ending.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Emptypockets319 wrote...

I just wish Bioware would come out and say the Indoctrination Theory is right or wrong instead of just stringing us along.

Yeah me too

Swimming Ferret wrote...

From ME Final Hours

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an
endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's
movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped
because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement
alongside dialogue choices).

Yes, they played around with the Indoctronation Theory, BUT IT WAS DROPPED.
It is not in the final game, therefore it doesn't exist. Bioware
already made it clear they think the end is fantastic and they aren't
gonna change it. There is not magical brainwashing innerplot, no matter
how many fans try to salavge common sense out of the sh!t ending.

You just quoted where it says that the sequence where we are playing and lose control of shepard was dropped because it proved too difficult to integrate with dialogue scenes etc. Nowhere does it say that the concept of Shepard being indoctrinated was dropped.

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 18 avril 2012 - 02:48 .

[silentassassin264]

Indoctrination takes more than a few hours and Vendetta would have said you were indoctrinated on Thessia or the Cerberus Base right before Priority Earth. Indoctrination theory is impossible.

[Icinix]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Indoctrination takes more than a few hours and Vendetta would have said you were indoctrinated on Thessia or the Cerberus Base right before Priority Earth. Indoctrination theory is impossible.

So is the ending without Indoctrination Theory taken into affect.

Whose impossible is more possible?

[Swimming Ferret]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

From ME Final Hours

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an
endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's
movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped
because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement
alongside dialogue choices).

Yes, they played around with the Indoctronation Theory, BUT IT WAS DROPPED.
It is not in the final game, therefore it doesn't exist. Bioware
already made it clear they think the end is fantastic and they aren't
gonna change it. There is not magical brainwashing innerplot, no matter
how many fans try to salavge common sense out of the sh!t ending.

You just quoted where it says that the sequence where we are playing and lose control of shepard was dropped because it proved too difficult to integrate with dialogue scenes etc. Nowhere does it say that the concept of Shepard being indoctrinated was dropped.

Uh, maybe 'cause it's not in the final product? Bit a of a clue that it was dropped right there. <_<

[BiancoAngelo7]

Icinix wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Indoctrination takes more than a few hours and Vendetta would have said you were indoctrinated on Thessia or the Cerberus Base right before Priority Earth. Indoctrination theory is impossible.

So is the ending without Indoctrination Theory taken into affect.

Whose impossible is more possible?

Plus remember that Vendetta VI has his "indoctrination security" whatever thingy disabled by TIM and cerberus, they couldn't get the info on the catalyst otherwise...

The last time there is a Prothean Vi to reliably "warn" you of indoctrinated presences is right before your last dream with the kid where....oh will you look at that? Its where you end up burning with the kid.....

BUT ANYWAY.....why is almost no one addressing the main point I made in my OP? Instead of just saying "Indoctrination theory is wrong, how about you address the main point?  (please)

Swimming Ferret wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

From ME Final Hours

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an
endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's
movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped
because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement
alongside dialogue choices).

Yes, they played around with the Indoctronation Theory, BUT IT WAS DROPPED.
It is not in the final game, therefore it doesn't exist. Bioware
already made it clear they think the end is fantastic and they aren't
gonna change it. There is not magical brainwashing innerplot, no matter
how many fans try to salavge common sense out of the sh!t ending.

You
just quoted where it says that the sequence where we are playing and
lose control of shepard was dropped because it proved too difficult to
integrate with dialogue scenes etc. Nowhere does it say that the concept
of Shepard being indoctrinated was dropped.

Uh, maybe 'cause it's not in the final product? Bit a of a clue that it was dropped right there. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Dude what you said is literally a circular defense of why something is not true. "It's not true because I don't believe it's in the final product" does not = true....




Star child? Is that you?

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 18 avril 2012 - 02:56 .

[shepskisaac]

Ok just saw that loading screen on YT video from 360 version. I don't think it's any clue. It's just a visual loading screen showing you how you travel to the Citadel.

[Swimming Ferret]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Indoctrination takes more than a few hours and Vendetta would have said you were indoctrinated on Thessia or the Cerberus Base right before Priority Earth. Indoctrination theory is impossible.

So is the ending without Indoctrination Theory taken into affect.

Whose impossible is more possible?

Plus remember that Vendetta VI has his "indoctrination security" whatever thingy disabled by TIM and cerberus, they couldn't get the info on the catalyst otherwise...

The last time there is a Prothean Vi to reliably "warn" you of indoctrinated presences is right before your last dream with the kid where....oh will you look at that? Its where you end up burning with the kid.....

BUT ANYWAY.....why is almost no one addressing the main point I made in my OP? Instead of just saying "Indoctrination theory is wrong, how about you address the main point?  (please)

Swimming Ferret wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

From ME Final Hours

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an
endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's
movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped
because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement
alongside dialogue choices).

Yes, they played around with the Indoctronation Theory, BUT IT WAS DROPPED.
It is not in the final game, therefore it doesn't exist. Bioware
already made it clear they think the end is fantastic and they aren't
gonna change it. There is not magical brainwashing innerplot, no matter
how many fans try to salavge common sense out of the sh!t ending.

You
just quoted where it says that the sequence where we are playing and
lose control of shepard was dropped because it proved too difficult to
integrate with dialogue scenes etc. Nowhere does it say that the concept
of Shepard being indoctrinated was dropped.

Uh, maybe 'cause it's not in the final product? Bit a of a clue that it was dropped right there. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Dude what you said is literally a circular defense of why something is not true. "It's not true because I don't believe it's in the final product" does not = true....




Star child? Is that you?

Did you even read my post? Being Indorinated isn't in ME3, it's not in the game, that is why it isn't realy. You fans are just grasping at straws because you can't get over the fact Bioware ****ed up so badly. You pick  A,B or C, die, basically kill everyone and your squad decided to ****** off. There is no evidence of the IT, just plotholes, which ME3 is so riddled with you could even say the entire damn game is under indocrination if you want to. <_<

Bioware already said they aren't going to change the end; RBG end is what we have and what is going to stay. There isn't going to be an Indoctination ending. Bioware made that clear, so stop grasping at straws and accept that Bioware just sucked at ending their trilogy.

[offensivename3730121]

How are those straws you're grasping at?

XD

[BiancoAngelo7]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

More of the same

Look dude, just saying the same thing over and over again isn't going to convince anyone, or even make you sound any more right. You have your opinion, which you refuse to support with anything more than "that's how it is" and that's fine. Let's not get into an argument ok? I hope you have a nice evening (It's evening where I am anyway)

And I mean that, I'm not being condescending or anything.

[kbct]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I apologize if someone has already mentioned this, but I realized this while I was working late passing the time on the forums instead of writing up contracts like I should have been....

I have no comment on IT theory, but I did enjoy your post. Funny stuff.

[Swimming Ferret]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

More of the same

Look dude, just saying the same thing over and over again isn't going to convince anyone, or even make you sound any more right. You have your opinion, which you refuse to support with anything more than "that's how it is" and that's fine. Let's not get into an argument ok? I hope you have a nice evening (It's evening where I am anyway)

And I mean that, I'm not being condescending or anything.

Pfft, a bit hypocirtal right there, isn't it? You're parroting the same thing other IT fans are moaning about and I'm getting irritated with it. Sure, I loved the ME trilogy, but if fans come up with better endings than the actual game, than the ME3 writers have competely failed at deilvering a worthwhile story.

That final sentence might have gone better without that emote right there, you know. <_<

[GiantSludgeMonster]

Emptypockets319 wrote...

I just wish Bioware would come out and say the Indoctrination Theory is right or wrong instead of just stringing us along.

I thought they did already tell us it wasn't true, though I don't have a source for this.

[SLana]

GiantSludgeMonster wrote...

Emptypockets319 wrote...

I just wish Bioware would come out and say the Indoctrination Theory is right or wrong instead of just stringing us along.

I thought they did already tell us it wasn't true, though I don't have a source for this.

No, there was no clear statement, only something like "you get what you see and nothing more". But wait, many people really SEE indoctrination...
I am not IT fan but I can't ignore some facts it describes, there are some things that we can't explain without using words "plothole" or "indoctrination", pick the one you think you like most.

Modifié par SLana, 18 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[Lewie]

If, if, if and if.... this IT becomes true i will be even more confused. Fans theories may have good points i don't doubt that but they have to write their own dlc. This is paramount they cannot let fans feel betrayed and simply take a few youtube video theories and hand that out as closure. I still believe in them enough to know that wouldn't happen.

Modifié par louise101, 18 avril 2012 - 03:46 .

[Peregrin25]

Emptypockets319 wrote...

I just wish Bioware would come out and say the Indoctrination Theory is right or wrong instead of just stringing us along.

I agree. I hate speculation lol.

Even at Pax they asked if anyone had heard of indoc theory and then responded with not commenting on that matter and changed the subject.

I would rather know that the endinging, regardless of extended cut will always suck no matter what. Or if we are in for a real treat that is a psychological twist in the plot.

Indoc theory would be bad assery at its best in my opinion.

[Murmillos]

Its just my conspiracy theory here, but its basically this: since the other writers were so hell bent on hating Casey's last minute "I'm so brilliant, this is how we are going to end it" move, they did their best to sneak in the Indoctrination Theory and the obfuscate the true meaning on why certain elements were being added. "Symbolism, a hidden mild "control" chip... etc.etc," all in hopes of giving the BioWare/EA a real way out of current ending.

But since Casey is still Project Lead and it wasn't his idea, he refuses to accept any notion that this idea was either intentionally or accidentally planned for the 'long con' game.

Modifié par Murmillos, 18 avril 2012 - 03:52 .

[GiantSludgeMonster]

SLana wrote...

GiantSludgeMonster wrote...

Emptypockets319 wrote...

I just wish Bioware would come out and say the Indoctrination Theory is right or wrong instead of just stringing us along.

I thought they did already tell us it wasn't true, though I don't have a source for this.

No, there was no clear statement, only something like "you get what you see and nothing more". But wait, many people really SEE indoctrination...
I am not IT fan but I can't ignore some facts it describes, there are some things that we can't explain without using words "plothole" or "indoctrination", pick the one you think you like most.

Thanks for clarifying.

I pretty much feel the same way about it.