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[Benjo229]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the loading screen heading to Illusive Man HQ is another unique one, it shows the dying star and a tiny little silhouette of the station.

Also, as much as I'd like to believe that it's another hint that Bioware is going to reveal Shepard as indoctrinated, I'm not getting my hopes up.

[Soultaker08]

Troller79 wrote...

i hate dumb ppl and thats everyone who doesnt believe in IT

obvious troll is obvious ,, thx for participating

[DJBare]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Indoctrination takes more than a few hours and Vendetta would have said you were indoctrinated on Thessia or the Cerberus Base right before Priority Earth. Indoctrination theory is impossible.

Oh really, Shepard has been a contact with Reaper tech throughout the series, heck he got knocked out by one in Arrival,

I don't know if Bioware intended indoc or not, they've not said either way, but I really wish folk would do just a little more research, indoc is a cumulative affect, it's also nanite technology according to Retribution, in other words object Rho could have released nanites that would pass through Shepards skin, not to mention he/she was unconscious for how long?

Edit: forgot to add, Arrival is canon.

Modifié par DJBare, 18 avril 2012 - 09:21 .

[CARL_DF90]

Ugh, does anyone even watch the vids posted that explains why there are indications for the I.T.? Obviously not. Oy, it explains quite clearly the reasonings behind it. I guess fools will be fools.

[Soultaker08]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

Ugh, does anyone even watch the vids posted that explains why there are indications for the I.T.? Obviously not. Oy, it explains quite clearly the reasonings behind it. I guess fools will be fools.

No we are simply ignoring everything IT supporters brings up because we love trolling everyone

Modifié par Soultaker08, 18 avril 2012 - 10:06 .

[matthewmi]

Loading screen is loading screen, they didn't want to break immersion in the game in its final set piece by having tips etc...on the screen.

[Arngeld]

You know something? I think I tend to side with the IT people because they at least attempt to back up their assertions. Sometimes fairly convincingly(thinking of the youtube video). On the other hand, every "argument" against the IT I've seen pretty much boils down to "nuh-uh!"

My 3 year old could do better than that. Not much better, mind you, but better.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Arngeld wrote...

You know something? I think I tend to side with the IT people because they at least attempt to back up their assertions. Sometimes fairly convincingly(thinking of the youtube video). On the other hand, every "argument" against the IT I've seen pretty much boils down to "nuh-uh!"

My 3 year old could do better than that. Not much better, mind you, but better.

Quite so. So far, the explanations that are not of the "nuh-uh!" variety that are aimed at disproving IT theory are few and far in between.

I appreciate those few people that actually commented on what they think about what I said regarding the final loading screen, could we please get back on to that topic instead of fighting over whether or not IT theory is true?

So much drama....

[Spiritwolf1]

Pass by  Im troling here, just posted something in the wrong thread....

Modifié par Spiritwolf1, 18 avril 2012 - 12:43 .

[dreman9999]

AlanC9 wrote...

Savber100 wrote...


Seriously do people even read about IT? The theory is BASED on the fact that the endings will stay the same. The only need is clarification if Bioware is truly going with IT. 

Isn't the theory also based on the endings not being .... endings? The whole point of IT as I understood it is that nothing's actually happened by the end of ME3.

And if bw is going to use IT for the ending, nothing about the dreams will change...They would just add an awake part of the ending.

[Doctoglethorpe]

*shrug*

At this point the truth is simple.  Indoc Theory could be true, its not really disproven, but Biowares reponse has made it sound very unlikely.  So if it is true then Bioware have handled their public relations since release HORRIBLY.  But yeah, could still technically be true.  I'm not holding my breath but I'm also not denying its possibility.  I'm just going to wait and see now. 

Everyone whos so arrogantly sure one way or the other need to calm down and stop acting like religious and atheist fundamentalists.  Unlike the question of religion, we will for sure know sooner or later.  So just freaking sit down and wait. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 18 avril 2012 - 01:00 .

[Soultaker08]

To speak about the topic , look at the other loading screens, none of them would have fit the purpose.

Normandy loading screen? , would have been weird a bit :/

It is the last part of the game, more effort put in it?

dunno why to connect this with Indoctrination Hypothesis

[Edheldraug]

Could anyone please post the screenshot? I can't really remember how different it was..
Same goes for the one before the attack on Cerberus base, if possible ;-)

(Besides, I don't think this proves or disproves anything... Maybe they decided to put a different loading screen to "settle the mood" or something... Or because since it was the end of the game they decided to have a different one, I don't know...)

[Rob_K1]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Oh please, the Indoctrination Theory is just some fans in denial; they need to accept that the end Mass Effect 3 is just a plothole ridden mess and deal with it.

 

Yes, because how dare someone make a point you disagree with.

I mean really, the nerve

I love how people assume dissagreeing = being a ****.
Ah, BSN.

Haven't got much to say on this topic other than I believe the theory makes most sense and well, I've discussed it at length in the past. Pretty done with being on the forums and such until the extended cut is released.

Swimming Ferret,

The moment you said 'some fans in denial' is when you became confrontational etc. Just because some thinks it makes the most sense etc., it means they're in denial? I'm here, thinking the theory makes most sense yet I do not need to fathom it out to be at ease. Quite frankly, I just don't take this game or other games too seriously. So, I wouldn't label me and others with 'the believers are just in denial that the ending is crap'. Won't be as happy as I could be, but I'll also accept the endings at face value.

And just for the record, I do not know whether they planned for the indoctrination theory. I do know they said they'd tried to implement one element of it and not that they'd stripped it out altogether, when getting rid of that one implementation.

As someone has said, it is possible the indoctrination element could only be present in the Illusive Man segment. It is undeniable that it is present there at least. It could be that is the implementation they settled on and didn't intend to sow the seeds throughout the game for it. Again though, they haven't outrightly stated they got rid of it altogether and I fail to see how people get that from the Final Hours passage often quoted.

Regardless, that's all I've got to say up until the extended cut's release and I'm not getting into a sparring match.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 18 avril 2012 - 02:38 .

[Soultaker08]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Swimming Ferret,

The moment you said 'some fans in denial' is when you became confrontational etc. Just because some thinks it makes the most sense etc., it means they're in denial? I'm here, thinking the theory makes most sense yet I do not need to fathom it out to be at ease. Quite frankly, I just don't take this game or other games too seriously. So, I wouldn't label me and others with 'the believers are just in denial that the ending is crap'. Won't be as happy as I could be, but I'll also accept the endings at face value.

You may not take it too serious, but others do.

When it comes to Indoctrinaction Hypothesis then the problem in discussing it is that most supporters take it as a fact.

The reason why i dont post in the IHT mainthread is simply that they will never accept what you say :/, so i keep posting in "sidethreads" like this, cause its a more "chilled" discussion

[Rob_K1]

Soultaker08 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Swimming Ferret,

The moment you said 'some fans in denial' is when you became confrontational etc. Just because some thinks it makes the most sense etc., it means they're in denial? I'm here, thinking the theory makes most sense yet I do not need to fathom it out to be at ease. Quite frankly, I just don't take this game or other games too seriously. So, I wouldn't label me and others with 'the believers are just in denial that the ending is crap'. Won't be as happy as I could be, but I'll also accept the endings at face value.

You may not take it too serious, but others do.

When it comes to Indoctrinaction Hypothesis then the problem in discussing it is that most supporters take it as a fact.

The reason why i dont post in the IHT mainthread is simply that they will never accept what you say :/, so i keep posting in "sidethreads" like this, cause its a more "chilled" discussion

Understandable. And I should clarify my first post:

I understand some do take the game seriously. But it does not mean that everyone who believes in the theory is in denial. That's all I wanted to say really. Kinda came out wrong.

What others have to be aware of though, as demonstrated by blanket statements in this very thread, is that the ones who do not believe in the theory can be just as bad as the ones that do when it comes to making their view seem 'factual'. Both sides are guilty. Basically, it's fine to not believe in it or to believe in the theory, but just don't try to claim something is fact or shove it down other's throats.

Honestly, people should just wait until the extended cut is released or BioWare releases more material, before discussing this further and making more threads. I think I stopped posting and browsing here often here several weeks back and the discussion had already basically ran its course then. Everything had been discussed in my view, so the same things are likely said over and over. Both for and against the theory.

Neither side can really prove anything until the extended cut is released, either. Or until BioWare discusses it further. *shrugs* Just my two cents anyway and err, I really should disconnect the internet at the moment.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 18 avril 2012 - 02:59 .

[Rjames112]

It may be a fan developed denial as one poster put it; but it's damn creative thinking. Also if that's how someone wants to view the end of the game then that's just grand; consider it fan fiction.

As it happens Chris Gamble said at Pax East that they wouldn't deny the validity of the theory so they don't stomp on fans creativity.

[Little Princess Peach]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Arngeld wrote...

You know something? I think I tend to side with the IT people because they at least attempt to back up their assertions. Sometimes fairly convincingly(thinking of the youtube video). On the other hand, every "argument" against the IT I've seen pretty much boils down to "nuh-uh!"

My 3 year old could do better than that. Not much better, mind you, but better.

Quite so. So far, the explanations that are not of the "nuh-uh!" variety that are aimed at disproving IT theory are few and far in between.

I appreciate those few people that actually commented on what they think about what I said regarding the final loading screen, could we please get back on to that topic instead of fighting over whether or not IT theory is true?

So much drama....

People are just afraid of IT, if it turns out to be true then they will feel like they got screwed over

[Rob_K1]

Rjames112 wrote...

It may be a fan developed denial as one poster put it; but it's damn creative thinking. Also if that's how someone wants to view the end of the game then that's just grand; consider it fan fiction.

As it happens Chris Gamble said at Pax East that they wouldn't deny the validity of the theory so they don't stomp on fans creativity.

That would be a better and less confrontational way of putting it, than the way Ferret had said it.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 18 avril 2012 - 03:05 .

[Captain Cornhole]

My question revolves around this, why would the ONLY unique loading screen in the entire game be one that is made to show you what is happening as you are being transported up to the citadel? Addressing you as Shepard instead of addressing you as all the other loading screens, as the person playing?

Because Mars, the Citadel, Illusive Man's base didn't have unique loading screens?

[Soultaker08]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Arngeld wrote...

You know something? I think I tend to side with the IT people because they at least attempt to back up their assertions. Sometimes fairly convincingly(thinking of the youtube video). On the other hand, every "argument" against the IT I've seen pretty much boils down to "nuh-uh!"

My 3 year old could do better than that. Not much better, mind you, but better.

Quite so. So far, the explanations that are not of the "nuh-uh!" variety that are aimed at disproving IT theory are few and far in between.

I appreciate those few people that actually commented on what they think about what I said regarding the final loading screen, could we please get back on to that topic instead of fighting over whether or not IT theory is true?

So much drama....

People are just afraid of IT, if it turns out to be true then they will feel like they got screwed over

I always had the feeling it is the opposit of what you say.

If IHT is true im ok with it, but how it is actually looking to me there wont be IHT.

The Fans feel screwed anyway, why would have people come up with IHT if they didnt felt screwed?!

[Pockydon]

Murmillos wrote...

Its just my conspiracy theory here, but its basically this: since the other writers were so hell bent on hating Casey's last minute "I'm so brilliant, this is how we are going to end it" move, they did their best to sneak in the Indoctrination Theory and the obfuscate the true meaning on why certain elements were being added. "Symbolism, a hidden mild "control" chip... etc.etc," all in hopes of giving the BioWare/EA a real way out of current ending.

But since Casey is still Project Lead and it wasn't his idea, he refuses to accept any notion that this idea was either intentionally or accidentally planned for the 'long con' game.

You, my friend, are proberbly right. It wouldnt suprise me one bit if this is actually what happened.

[Lynata]

Umm ... shouldn't the "Stargazer" segment after the credits pretty much clarify that everything you (the player) see is how future generations think it happened? If there was some indoctrination going on, it would have been part of the storytelling. Any hints supposedly supporting this theory are part of it, too, after all.

[AlanC9]

dreman9999 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Savber100 wrote...


Seriously do people even read about IT? The theory is BASED on the fact that the endings will stay the same. The only need is clarification if Bioware is truly going with IT. 

Isn't the theory also based on the endings not being .... endings? The whole point of IT as I understood it is that nothing's actually happened by the end of ME3.

And if bw is going to use IT for the ending, nothing about the dreams will change...They would just add an awake part of the ending.

So in a couple of months Bio's going to tell us  "OK, we were lying the whole time.... ME3 didn't end Shepard's story, even though we said it was going to."

And people are mad at Bio now?

 I can see IT working as the Mother of All Retcons, but if they say this was the plan it'll make everything so much worse.

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 avril 2012 - 05:37 .

[EHondaMashButton]

AlanC9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Savber100 wrote...


Seriously do people even read about IT? The theory is BASED on the fact that the endings will stay the same. The only need is clarification if Bioware is truly going with IT. 

Isn't the theory also based on the endings not being .... endings? The whole point of IT as I understood it is that nothing's actually happened by the end of ME3.

And if bw is going to use IT for the ending, nothing about the dreams will change...They would just add an awake part of the ending.

So in a couple of months Bio's going to tell us  "OK, we were lying the whole time.... ME3 didn't end Shepard's story, even though we said it was going to."

And people are mad at Bio now?

 I can see IT working as the Mother of All Retcons, but if they say this was the plan it'll make everything so much worse.

They also said:

All endings are possible in SP alone
We would not get an ABC ending
All questions would be answered (not lots of speculation for everyone)

So its not like theyre above a "reinterpretation" of prior statements