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#101
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BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I apologize if someone has already mentioned this, but I realized this while I was working late passing the time on the forums instead of writing up contracts like I should have been....:whistle:

Ok so every single loading screen in the game is similar right? In the sense that they completely take you out of the game telling you little tidbits of information about the game etc etc addressing you as the person who is playing the game.

So why then, is there a loading screen when you get hit the beam in london that basically shows you what you should be seeing while being transported by the beam? You know, the one where you see all the blue "beamy" lights right before you get to the Citadel?

My question revolves around this, why would the ONLY unique loading screen in the entire game be one that is made to show you what is happening as you are being transported up to the citadel? Addressing you as Shepard instead of addressing you as all the other loading screens, as the person playing?

Wouldn't it have been much easier and simpler, as it has been established wthroughout the game, to just put in another standard loading screen?

I humbly believe ( I may be wrong of course, no one is infallible ) that the inclusion of this single unique loading screen is because Bioware wants to convince US as in the real human player that we are being transported to the Citadel. What other reason could there be?

Sure, you could say they just wanted to make a loading screen pretty and "immerse" you into the story, but then why is there no other loading screen in the ENTIRE game that follows the same logic, showing you the barren wastes of Tuchanka while you land or the battles of Thessia while landing there?

The only other comparable example I can think of is the standard "FTL flight" loading screen, with Normandy bathed in the spectrum of colors produced by ftl travel. But I believe it cannot be considered as something that disproves my opinion because basically, it's a loading screen that has been in the game in one form or another since the very first ME1.

I may be wrong, but I believe there is a strange element to the fact that the ONLY loading screen in the entire game that is not the standard loading screen is one that is used right after your supposed indoctrination.

When you add this to the fact that the "white light" that you see as you are being transported up to the Catalyst is the same as the white light you see when you wake up from the dreams with the kid, it feels to me that there is a strong chance this is Bioware's attempt to make you, personally, believe that you are being transported to the Citadel, and since there is no reason to actively TRY to make you believe this (ie: a normal loading screen would have sufficed) I believe it suggests there is an ulterior motive for this one single unique loading screen.

Thoughts?

(and please don't troll me just because I believe in IT theory, I know that it's just a theory and that the ending may just be bad because it's bad)


There are a lot of loading screens that are meant to advance the story in some form or another. The "teleportation" loading screen is one but so are the loading screens when you're traveling on the Citadel, or when you're traveling on the Normandy. Cutscenes are also used as loading screens though they're better because they're created ingame and can thus show us scenes with Shepard and his companions.

EDIT: I actually believe that the devs stated at some point they wanted to create the loading screens so they would not break immersion.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 20 avril 2012 - 02:45 .


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CARL_DF90

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Uh, I think it's a foregone conclusion that the endings suck. :P

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Whether you enjoy IT or not, there's something up for sure and it being all summed up under 'bad writing' can't be it. There's too much strangeness right at the end.

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CARL_DF90 wrote...

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Uh, I think it's a foregone conclusion that the endings suck. :P


i mean even with an extended cut. 

and if indoc is true, then the endings don't suck. especially not once we get the clarification/closure package.

Modifié par KingZayd, 20 avril 2012 - 02:53 .


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macrocarl wrote...

Whether you enjoy IT or not, there's something up for sure and it being all summed up under 'bad writing' can't be it. There's too much strangeness right at the end.


That's the way I see it too. And the 4 second secret clip is... impossible without IT (or something like it).

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BiancoAngelo7 wrote...


My question revolves around this, why would the ONLY unique loading screen in the entire game be one that is made to show you what is happening as you are being transported up to the citadel? Addressing you as Shepard instead of addressing you as all the other loading screens, as the person playing?



Ridiculous. Everyone knows the TRUE reason by now.

Shepard was getting heavily and incisively drunk.

All hail Intoxication Theory!

:devil:

#107
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I dont mind if people discuss things like this thread.

I dont mind if people believe in IHT.

I dont mind when they try to find support for IHT.

I wouldnt even mind if it comes out it is true yay

But i could rage out everytime I read "PROOF!!!!" "EVIDENCE" "WHAT I SAY IS FACT"
                                                           "EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BELIEVE IS DUMB TROLL"
                                                           "DIDNT YOU WATCH DA VIDEOS?!!?!?!?!?"

I wouldnt even wonder if there was someone calling himself Prophet...

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KingZayd

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Soultaker08 wrote...

I dont mind if people discuss things like this thread.

I dont mind if people believe in IHT.

I dont mind when they try to find support for IHT.

I wouldnt even mind if it comes out it is true yay

But i could rage out everytime I read "PROOF!!!!" "EVIDENCE" "WHAT I SAY IS FACT"
                                                           "EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BELIEVE IS DUMB TROLL"
                                                           "DIDNT YOU WATCH DA VIDEOS?!!?!?!?!?"

I wouldnt even wonder if there was someone calling himself Prophet...


Just out of curiousity, what does the H part of IHT stand for?

i accept all those terms to be wrong, except for evidence. evidence is something that suggests, not something definitive. If there's anything in the game that supports indoctrination theory, then its evidence for indoctrination theory.

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silentassassin264 wrote...

Indoctrination takes more than a few hours and Vendetta would have said you were indoctrinated on Thessia or the Cerberus Base right before Priority Earth. Indoctrination theory is impossible.

Myabe the IT was upgraded and Vandetta could not reconsie it because he was programmed to reconise only one verson of the IT, its been years enough time for the enamy to upgrade there skills

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KingZayd wrote...

Just out of curiousity, what does the H part of IHT stand for?

i accept all those terms to be wrong, except for evidence. evidence is something that suggests, not something definitive. If there's anything in the game that supports indoctrination theory, then its evidence for indoctrination theory.


In my Opinion it is more a Hypothesis , or a Thesis , but not a Theory yet. To express my opinion i use the H inbetween I and T (Indoctrination HypoThesis)

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Soultaker08 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Just out of curiousity, what does the H part of IHT stand for?

i accept all those terms to be wrong, except for evidence. evidence is something that suggests, not something definitive. If there's anything in the game that supports indoctrination theory, then its evidence for indoctrination theory.


In my Opinion it is more a Hypothesis , or a Thesis , but not a Theory yet. To express my opinion i use the H inbetween I and T (Indoctrination HypoThesis)


I was curious about it too hehe. Thanks!

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the prothean ai thing did say overriding security protocols when it was giving you info. Why would it have to override if you were not indoctrinated?

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IS1991 wrote...

the prothean ai thing did say overriding security protocols when it was giving you info. Why would it have to override if you were not indoctrinated?


TIM deactivated the protocols  to get the information about the catalyst.

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Soultaker08 wrote...

IS1991 wrote...

the prothean ai thing did say overriding security protocols when it was giving you info. Why would it have to override if you were not indoctrinated?


TIM deactivated the protocols  to get the information about the catalyst.


but why mention it at that point? 

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KingZayd wrote...

but why mention it at that point? 


When you meet the VI at first at Thessia it just says it will help you when it is connected to the crucible.

Tim stole the VI and had time to trick/hack it to get the information he thought he need to control the reapers.

It would seem more than strange if the VI suddenly offers such an important information withouth a certain reason
(protocols hacked)

The VI itself says (just played with german sounds so forgive me if something is translated different):
"Are you here to free me from the indoctrinated forces?"

and then shepard asks

"What is the catalyst"

VI answers:

"safety protocolls disabled (TIm hacked them before ,to get this information), the catalyst is... etc"

Everything else than TIM hacking the VI before shepard infiltrated the Cerberus Headquarter would be Space Magic.

(in my opinion)

Modifié par Soultaker08, 21 avril 2012 - 12:29 .


#116
CARL_DF90

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Get rid of space magic and a LOT of the endings problems would be solved, but THAT is another discussion for another thread.

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tractrpl

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Shouldn't this be in the campaign discussions forum?

#118
CARL_DF90

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You know, you're right it does. I'm sure a mod will move it though.

#119
string3r

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Not this again...