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[incinerator950]

Skybree wrote...

As i risk scorn of my peers and fellow game junkies .... Fable 2's ending was well done (even if it was A or B or C) just a well done way of Blue, Red or Green.

Kia kaha.

Yet Peter Molyneux did what Bioware did for eight years, and never got this much hate for it. 

Also, I agree with you on Fable 2.  Fable 3 had a decent ending too.  You know, if you actually did the work, you got a good or bad ending.  

[Kenshen]

v TricKy v wrote...

WTF nobody named Metal Gear Solid 4? It was really the only video game in history where I actually shed some tears.

A great ending no doubt but is it really bittersweet?  Seemed to me everyone but Liquid had a happy ending and I would argue Liquid did get what he wanted and got his final battle with Snake.  He lost with a smile if I recall.  Maybe Zero didn't get his happy ending but it didn't look like he was even aware of his surroundings.

[Eternalsteelfan]

incinerator950 wrote...

Skybree wrote...

As i risk scorn of my peers and fellow game junkies .... Fable 2's ending was well done (even if it was A or B or C) just a well done way of Blue, Red or Green.

Kia kaha.

Yet Peter Molyneux did what Bioware did for eight years, and never got this much hate for it. 

Also, I agree with you on Fable 2.  Fable 3 had a decent ending too.  You know, if you actually did the work, you got a good or bad ending.  

Yeah, there's something whimsical yet bittersweet about all the Fables. The lighthearted aspects contrast the horrible tragedies that happen in the story powerfully. The incredible scores help.

[goose2989]

John Epler wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Final Fantasy x
Metal Gear Solid 3
Halo:Reach

I've never managed to finish Halo: Reach. This thread is making me feel as though I should rectify that.

It's bittersweet done right. You feel a sense of accomplistment, and you immediately know that your actions had a positive effect on the galaxy. 

[nitefyre410]

aryon69 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

WTF nobody named Metal Gear Solid 4? It was really the only video game in history where I actually shed some tears.

A great ending no doubt but is it really bittersweet?  Seemed to me everyone but Liquid had a happy ending and I would argue Liquid did get what he wanted and got his final battle with Snake.  He lost with a smile if I recall.  Maybe Zero didn't get his happy ending but it didn't look like he was even aware of his surroundings.

 

Bittersweet in the sense because Snake and Big Boss finally understand each other as  father and son but  Big Boss dies later and Snake has about 6 months left to live.  Also because Big Boss realizes at the end that he and Zero betrayed  The Boss spirit and ideals but it took them so many years to realize this... 

[eddieoctane]

John Epler wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Final Fantasy x
Metal Gear Solid 3
Halo:Reach

I've never managed to finish Halo: Reach. This thread is making me feel as though I should rectify that.

You really, really should. It's hard to go out of your way to kill the player through actual gameplay and still leave him feeling like he accomplished something impressive. But Bungie never fails to deliver. I just hope 343 can carry the torch.

I would put AC Brotherhood up here, with the shankign Lucy and all, but the DLC turned her into a "triple" agent and made the whole need for Revelations rather pointless. I'm in a coma because I killed a Templar? The f....

[John Epler]

While it may not be popular, I found the ending to CoD4 to be rather good, back when it seemed like everyone but me bit it. I never played MW2 or MW3, but I understand they brought Price back, which seemed a shame.

[TexasToast712]

 Red Dead Redemption.
Halo: Reach (If you read the books/played all the other games.)

Modifié par TexasToast712, 18 avril 2012 - 05:44 .

[soulprovider]

for me there are five games that I think did very very well as series

1) xenosaga - that ending was very very well done each game has a special heart wrenching ending that was both happy but sad at the same time. Its also a nice ending where you know the universe is in peril but you see the people and universe you care about move on with the possibility of it coming back some day. (hint hint wink wink)

2)Final fantasy 12 - this was a good game and ending for me atleast this was the only final fantasy game I got into and it did well though I hear 13 ruined the companies reputation(sound familliar)

3) Another good ending for me was giest - very interesting premise that game and the endings was unique and at the same time common, hard to explain. too bad we won't see many games like it in the future(sound familiar)

4) Mass effect 1 - loved that game to death, the only game I actually went and got all of the achievement points for(not lying and certain i'm not alone in this)

5) alan wake - so far this game is very awesome and can be considered an ending in its own right without the dlc which extends it. very interesting indeed. will see how they continue this.(hopefuly for a well done series and conclusion but after the whole ME3 debacle i'm losing faith in the industry in general)

6) MGS4 - can't bring myself to quote anything just so sad and at the same time hopeful, the message that was presented was presented very very well.

Modifié par soulprovider, 18 avril 2012 - 05:47 .

[TexasToast712]

John Epler wrote...

While it may not be popular, I found the ending to CoD4 to be rather good, back when it seemed like everyone but me bit it. I never played MW2 or MW3, but I understand they brought Price back, which seemed a shame.

Infinity Ward seemed to get a hard on for killing main characters that only grew bigger with each installment. What was the whole point of keeping Soap from dieing in all 3 games if he dies in the last half of MW3? Then killing every freaking character except Price. Stupid if you ask me. 

Modifié par TexasToast712, 18 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[Rodia Driftwood]

Oh, boy. Where do I start?.

The ending to Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core: WHY DID THEY HAVE TO DO THAT!

The ending to Final Fantasy Tactics: That was.. very sad.

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater: Boss..

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots: THE ENTIRE FRIGGIN GAME WAS SO SAD. :crying:

Mass Effect 3: The ending wasn't really as bittersweet.. Anderson's death was really sad and the music playing in the background as I throw myself at the beam(synthesis) was.... nvm..Bittersweet indeed.

[webhead921]

John Epler wrote...

While it may not be popular, I found the ending to CoD4 to be rather good, back when it seemed like everyone but me bit it. I never played MW2 or MW3, but I understand they brought Price back, which seemed a shame.

You're wrong.  You have played MW2 and MW3.  Because CoD4=MW2=MW3.  No innovation whatsoever.  As far as single player is concerned, MW2 and MW3 are just CoD4 minus the good story.

[soulprovider]

webhead921 wrote...

John Epler wrote...

While it may not be popular, I found the ending to CoD4 to be rather good, back when it seemed like everyone but me bit it. I never played MW2 or MW3, but I understand they brought Price back, which seemed a shame.

You're wrong.  You have played MW2 and MW3.  Because CoD4=MW2=MW3.  No innovation whatsoever.  As far as single player is concerned, MW2 and MW3 are just CoD4 minus the good story.

don't forget black ops and world at war, cookie cutter games gotta love them  heres looking at you sqare enix and vivendi(owners of activision)

[Rodia Driftwood]

soulprovider wrote...

for me there are five games that I think did very very well as series

1) xenosaga - that ending was very very well done each game has a special heart wrenching ending that was both happy but sad at the same time. Its also a nice ending where you know the universe is in peril but you see the people and universe you care about move on with the possibility of it coming back some day. (hint hint wink wink)

2)Final fantasy 12 - this was a good game and ending for me atleast this was the only final fantasy game I got into and it did well though I hear 13 ruined the companies reputation(sound familliar)

3) Another good ending for me was giest - very interesting premise that game and the endings was unique and at the same time common, hard to explain. too bad we won't see many games like it in the future(sound familiar)

4) Mass effect 1 - loved that game to death, the only game I actually went and got all of the achievement points for(not lying and certain i'm not alone in this)

5) alan wake - so far this game is very awesome and can be considered an ending in its own right without the dlc which extends it. very interesting indeed. will see how they continue this.(hopefuly for a well done series and conclusion but after the whole ME3 debacle i'm losing faith in the industry in general)

6) MGS4 - can't bring myself to quote anything just so sad and at the same time hopeful, the message that was presented was presented very very well.

Oh my god!. How could I forget Xenosaga!. The entire series was amazing!. Japan just can't make an RPG like that anymore.

[Foxbat Killer]

RDR best ending ever IMO, not just best bittersweet ending.

[Kenshen]

nitefyre410 wrote...

aryon69 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

WTF nobody named Metal Gear Solid 4? It was really the only video game in history where I actually shed some tears.

A great ending no doubt but is it really bittersweet?  Seemed to me everyone but Liquid had a happy ending and I would argue Liquid did get what he wanted and got his final battle with Snake.  He lost with a smile if I recall.  Maybe Zero didn't get his happy ending but it didn't look like he was even aware of his surroundings.

 

Bittersweet in the sense because Snake and Big Boss finally understand each other as  father and son but  Big Boss dies later and Snake has about 6 months left to live.  Also because Big Boss realizes at the end that he and Zero betrayed  The Boss spirit and ideals but it took them so many years to realize this... 

Wasn't it Snake or rather the mutated foxdie that killed Big Boss and that Snake wasn't going to turn into a walking bio hazzard like he was told?  I took that too mean Snake had more than 6 months but certainly not a lot more.  It has been awhile since I played MGS4.  I very well could be remembering it wrong.  I do agree with your last point I did forget that my bad.  

[Allan Schumacher]

Definitely Planescape: Torment with Fallout being a close runner up.

[TreguardD]

incinerator950 wrote...

Skybree wrote...

As i risk scorn of my peers and fellow game junkies .... Fable 2's ending was well done (even if it was A or B or C) just a well done way of Blue, Red or Green.

Kia kaha.

Yet Peter Molyneux did what Bioware did for eight years, and never got this much hate for it. 

Also, I agree with you on Fable 2.  Fable 3 had a decent ending too.  You know, if you actually did the work, you got a good or bad ending.  

Meh. Peter never proved he could do better. On the other hand, the ending was *the reward*. Yes, the boss was Anticlamax, but you fuffilled the objective (We must Stop Logan) before the reward was granted.

Also, no matter which of the three options you took, you were gaining a gift. Money you didn't have, or the restoration of life to people who were already dead. You were not *killing* other people to gain the reward (I understand I'm drawing a thin line, but it's there.)

[John Epler]

Ultima IX, whatever issues one might have with it, had a pretty bittersweet ending - sacrifice yourself to save the world because it turns out that it's the manifestation of all your negative traits that's causing problems here.

Ultima VIII, for that matter, had a pretty bleak ending. 'So everything you've been fighting for in Britannia? Yeah, to get home, you're going to have to completely abandon your values. Have fun.'

[EnvyTB075]

Metal Gear Solid 3. Forced to kill your beloved mentor (think Shepard killing Garrus. That bad), given a medal only to find out later it was all a sham.

manly tears were shed...

And yes, Halo Reach, absolutely brilliant story telling right there, even if it wasn't the story most were expecting.

John Epler wrote...

While it may not be popular, I found
the ending to CoD4 to be rather good, back when it seemed like everyone
but me bit it. I never played MW2 or MW3, but I understand they brought
Price back, which seemed a shame.

Mis-conception. For the majority of the CoD fanbase, CoD4 was brilliant, its only after MW2 that thinks went sour...

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 18 avril 2012 - 06:02 .

[Patrick Kluczny]

Shadow of the Colossus. :[

[Agiyosi]

Richard 060 wrote...

Can't think of a video game example, but for a great end to a sci-fi series, look no further than Star Trek: Deep Space Nine:



WARNING! Here be spoilers for the entire series - if you plan on watching it unspoiled, skip the rest of this post...



- The Dominion War ends, but with significant casualties on both sides.

- Out of the main cast, Damar, Dukat, Weyoun, and many other core characters are dead.

- Ziyal, Jadzia Dax, Gowron and several others have already died in the build-up to the final arc.

- Odo and Sisko are 'as good as dead' - Odo says goodbye to Kira, then rejoins the Great Link, while Sisko 'dies' defeating Dukat, only to be elevated, god-like, to the Prophets in the Celestial Temple (aka the Wormhole). His last message is that he 'will return', though it'll clearly never happen on-screen, since this is the series finale.

- Worf leaves the station to become Federation Ambassador to the Klingon homeworld. O'Brien and Keiko also leave to take up teaching careers on Earth. Rom and Leeta leave due to Rom's taking over the role of Ferengi Grand Nagus.


There's hope, however:

- The Federation/Klingon/Romulan/(and, late in the game, Cardassian) Alliance wins, and peace is restored, allowing the galaxy to rebuild after all that everyone has lost.

- Colonel Kira is now Station Commander, Nog has been promoted, and Quark's bar is back to business as usual (read into that what you will...)

- Bashir and Ezri finally hook up...

- Even those who lose friends close to them get some kind of closure.

- So do we, the viewers - there's a beautiful montage showing everyone's 'best moments', and showing what they're doing, and where they'll be going. The show ends with life returning to as 'normal' as possible, with Kira and Jake looking out onto space, knowing that Sisko is 'out there, somewhere'.



It's brilliantly done, and doesn't ignore the fact that in wars, people die. Not everyone gets a happy ending. But some do, and we get to see it ALL play out. As I said before, seeing the logical conclusion to everyone's various character arcs isn't just payoff for them, but also for us, the viewers. That's what it does so well, and THAT's a crucial part of what's missing from ME3's ending.


That, plus plot logic, build-up, good narrative structure, etc. ...

DS9 is one of my all-time fav shows. I wouldn't consider myself a Trekkie, but it was the best written Star Trek series, IMO. Loved the casting. The characterization from both the writing and the acting was outstanding. Just an all around terrific series. Used to set up late at night watching it with my lil' bro. Good times.

[MrFob]

John Epler wrote...

Ultima IX, whatever issues one might have with it, had a pretty bittersweet ending - sacrifice yourself to save the world because it turns out that it's the manifestation of all your negative traits that's causing problems here.'

Awwww, I did like Ultima IX, poor Raven.

Speaking of that genre, maybe it's not bitter sweet but rather leaving you wondering if you just made a BIG mistake is Gothic 2. I mean, you defeat the evil threat and all but it turns out that ll this evil energy is absorbed by a rather shady character, you thought was your ally but who manipulated you already since Gothic 1. Great stuff!

And, being on the BW forums and all, I got to put my vote in fir the sacrifice ending of DA:O. That was classic bitter-sweetness at it's best.

And no one else has mentioned Outcast yet ... a shame, go and buy it gog.com, it's well worth it and almost has a Mass Effect style gameplay .

[GLR-0053]

Xenosaga 3: Loved the ending for this game definitely bitter sweet.
Valkyria Chronicles: Just loved the game.
Red Dead Redemption: Bittersweet and I saw it coming.
Catherine: Loved the various outcomes.

[Oni Changas]

RDR gets it for me. It was the first game I ever played that got me emotionally involved in the climax. MGS4 was bittersweet too, but the Japanese cliches and poop jokes killed the immersion for me. For a game that's about the brutality and realim of war, they sure did a sh*t job (one that ME3 totally nails). When most of my enemies in MGS3 and 4 are flippy ninjas doing sentai poses or grunts with the voice of a 15 year old poindexter, you ought to stop.