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[Zenning]

Shut the hell up.

Thank yo-

No, that'll get me modded.


Look, we get that a lot of Vanguards suck ass.  But plenty are awesome, so stop with the random Vanguard bashing.  Seriously.  You're not cool.

Modifié par Zenning, 18 avril 2012 - 07:02 .

[nwz]

If a lot suck and plenty are awesome.. something is missing here

[Zenning]

nwz wrote...

If a lot suck and plenty are awesome.. something is missing here

Not really.

If there are 1000 total vanguards, and 900 suck.  That's a lot. 

If 100 are awesome.  That's plenty.

[nwz]

Zenning wrote...

nwz wrote...

If a lot suck and plenty are awesome.. something is missing here

Not really.

If there are 1000 total vanguards, and 900 suck.  That's a lot. 

If 100 are awesome.  That's plenty.

Now, now. We never really established what "a lot" and "plenty" stand for in the numerical department ;P

Anyhoo. I can respect people who can play vanguard, but i absolutely hate someone who thinks krogan vanguard is cool and can take on any enemy in the game. This resulting in face down time galore.

[Zenning]

nwz wrote...

Zenning wrote...

nwz wrote...

If a lot suck and plenty are awesome.. something is missing here

Not really.

If there are 1000 total vanguards, and 900 suck.  That's a lot. 

If 100 are awesome.  That's plenty.

Now, now. We never really established what "a lot" and "plenty" stand for in the numerical department ;P

Anyhoo. I can respect people who can play vanguard, but i absolutely hate someone who thinks krogan vanguard is cool and can take on any enemy in the game. This resulting in face down time galore.

Krogan Vanguards are like Glaciers.  They don't move very fast.  And they don't do a lot..  But goddamn it man, they will be heading your way, and they will be wrecking havok™ on there way there.

But no seriously, a good Krogan Vanguard is probably the best meatshield in the game, trumping even the Human Vanguard for ability to take a hit.

[Hyperglide]

Hello, this is Commander Shephard and this is my favourite thread in the BSN.

[nwz]

Hyperglide wrote...

Hello, this is Commander Shephard and this is my favourite thread in the BSN.

I thought Shepard was dead?

@Zenning: Yes. A vanguard who knows what to do, is quite pleasant to play with.

[Xcimeister]

Sigh why the urge to constantly bring this up on the forums? OLD news, and wont be solved. Everything which can be said has been said, just scroll down the threads.
Enough already.

[XxXSarenXxX]

I love playing vanguard Personally i Prefer Asari due to some form of crowd control and the greatest ability to escape sticky situations with their semi-teleport dodge, Krogan can be fun and plenty of hitpoints but their lacking manueverability and lack of CC makes them a non viable choice in gold.

[Zenning]

Xcimeister wrote...

Sigh why the urge to constantly bring this up on the forums? OLD news, and wont be solved. Everything which can be said has been said, just scroll down the threads.
Enough already.

Killjoy..

[Maria Caliban]

I don't hate vanguards.

I strongly dislike misused apostrophes.

[ABjerre]

Zenning wrote...

nwz wrote...

If a lot suck and plenty are awesome.. something is missing here

Not really.

If there are 1000 total vanguards, and 900 suck.  That's a lot. 

If 100 are awesome.  That's plenty.

It still means that there are 90% chance of getting a VanTard - thats plenty to justify bashing. A few are good, but the chances of seeing a unicorn are greater than seeing a good vanguard.

"I are guud cause i use Shockwave from distance instead of engaging in melee and getting myself killed"
"Oh you are using Shockwave? I hardly noticed that TRYING TO AIM MY SNIPER RIFLE!

On a more serious note, the vanguard class in itself is not the problem, and no, it doesn't suck. Neither do all vanguards suck. The problem is that a lot of players that suck, tend to play vanguards.

Modifié par ABjerre, 18 avril 2012 - 07:03 .

[Zenning]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't hate vanguards.

I strongly dislike misused apostrophes.

I'm sad...

I don't know why I've been doing that lately.  Let me fix that.

[KalilKareem]

My problem with vanguards is not exactly their performance, but the fact that they by definition sets the pace of the game and forces everyone else to play by their rules. For instance; two infiltrators and an enigineer are comfortable bunkered down in sniping positions waiting for the wave. But the vanguard just charges pushes onwards and fights the bulk of the enemies around a corner somewhere, cuz thats what he does. Now all the rest of the team will just have to;

a) Wait for him to die, which probably won't even happen on bronze/silver.
Run after, breaking cover and exposing themselves to flanking (which they, unlike the vanguard are not designed to deal with)
c) Just sit there unintentionally leeching

So, its not that the vanguards I play with are any worse players than the rest of us. But the vanguard class by design is just very frustrating and annoying to play with.

Final note: There are players out there there that are keenly aware of this and play their vanguard to avoid this (for instance, staying in cover until the wave approches and the helping their team lock down enemies or covering a flank). But they are in minority AND they typically score far worse on the score board by being "nice guys".

[Zenning]

KalilKareem wrote...

My problem with vanguards is not exactly their performance, but the fact that they by definition sets the pace of the game and forces everyone else to play by their rules. For instance; two infiltrators and an enigineer are comfortable bunkered down in sniping positions waiting for the wave. But the vanguard just charges pushes onwards and fights the bulk of the enemies around a corner somewhere, cuz thats what he does. Now all the rest of the team will just have to;

a) Wait for him to die, which probably won't even happen on bronze/silver.
Run after, breaking cover and exposing themselves to flanking (which they, unlike the vanguard are not designed to deal with)
c) Just sit there unintentionally leeching

So, its not that the vanguards I play with are any worse players than the rest of us. But the vanguard class by design is just very frustrating and annoying to play with.

Final note: There are players out there there that are keenly aware of this and play their vanguard to avoid this (for instance, staying in cover until the wave approches and the helping their team lock down enemies or covering a flank). But they are in minority AND they typically score far worse on the score board by being "nice guys".

Why not look at it the exact oppisite way then?  classes like Krogan's, Vanguards, Batarian's, have to stay in one place because the Infiltrator, is better at staying in one place, and are not being used to their full effectiveness at all.

Sure, you need to change your play style, but if you're blaming the Vanguard for this, you might as well blame the Infiltrator for making the Vanguard, or other CQC classes stay back.

Modifié par Zenning, 18 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[Maria Caliban]

Zenning wrote...

I'm sad...

I don't know why I've been doing that lately.  Let me fix that.

Nine times out of ten that would have gotten me a "STFU." You are a Prince among internet denizens.

[ABjerre]

KalilKareem wrote...

My problem with vanguards is not exactly their performance, but the fact that they by definition sets the pace of the game and forces everyone else to play by their rules. For instance; two infiltrators and an enigineer are comfortable bunkered down in sniping positions waiting for the wave. But the vanguard just charges pushes onwards and fights the bulk of the enemies around a corner somewhere, cuz thats what he does. Now all the rest of the team will just have to;

a) Wait for him to die, which probably won't even happen on bronze/silver.
Run after, breaking cover and exposing themselves to flanking (which they, unlike the vanguard are not designed to deal with)
c) Just sit there unintentionally leeching

a) Let him die - never break cover to res. He brought this on himself, and he needs to learn.
Refer to the action taken in "a".
c) Time for a ****** and a smoke.

Zenning wrote...
Sure, you
need to change your play style, but if you're blaming the Vanguard for
this, you might as well blame the Infiltrator for making the Vanguard,
or other CQC classes stay back.

If the vanguards, Krogans and Batarians need to do whats best for the team and stay in one place (where the remaining 75% of the team is) that would be THEM (the classes in question, not the team) that need to change their play stile, because at the moment, they most sertainly are not very stationary.

Modifié par ABjerre, 18 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[KalilKareem]

Zenning wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

My problem with vanguards is not exactly their performance, but the fact that they by definition sets the pace of the game and forces everyone else to play by their rules. For instance; two infiltrators and an enigineer are comfortable bunkered down in sniping positions waiting for the wave. But the vanguard just charges pushes onwards and fights the bulk of the enemies around a corner somewhere, cuz thats what he does. Now all the rest of the team will just have to;

a) Wait for him to die, which probably won't even happen on bronze/silver.
Run after, breaking cover and exposing themselves to flanking (which they, unlike the vanguard are not designed to deal with)
c) Just sit there unintentionally leeching

So, its not that the vanguards I play with are any worse players than the rest of us. But the vanguard class by design is just very frustrating and annoying to play with.

Final note: There are players out there there that are keenly aware of this and play their vanguard to avoid this (for instance, staying in cover until the wave approches and the helping their team lock down enemies or covering a flank). But they are in minority AND they typically score far worse on the score board by being "nice guys".

Why not look at it the exact oppisite way then?  class like Krogan's, Vanguards, Batarian's, have to stay in one place because the Infiltrator, is better at staying in one place

Sure, you need to change your play style, but if you're blaming the Vanguard for this, you might as well blame the Infiltrator for making the Vanguard, or other CQC classes stay back.

The infiltartor cannot prevent the vanguard for charging. The vanguard can and will prevent the infiltrator from sniping. Basically the vanguard play style trumphs all other play styles, and for me that is the core f the problem.

[wilzoon]

Zenning wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

My problem with vanguards is not exactly their performance, but the fact that they by definition sets the pace of the game and forces everyone else to play by their rules. For instance; two infiltrators and an enigineer are comfortable bunkered down in sniping positions waiting for the wave. But the vanguard just charges pushes onwards and fights the bulk of the enemies around a corner somewhere, cuz thats what he does. Now all the rest of the team will just have to;

a) Wait for him to die, which probably won't even happen on bronze/silver.
Run after, breaking cover and exposing themselves to flanking (which they, unlike the vanguard are not designed to deal with)
c) Just sit there unintentionally leeching

So, its not that the vanguards I play with are any worse players than the rest of us. But the vanguard class by design is just very frustrating and annoying to play with.

Final note: There are players out there there that are keenly aware of this and play their vanguard to avoid this (for instance, staying in cover until the wave approches and the helping their team lock down enemies or covering a flank). But they are in minority AND they typically score far worse on the score board by being "nice guys".

Why not look at it the exact oppisite way then?  class like Krogan's, Vanguards, Batarian's, have to stay in one place because the Infiltrator, is better at staying in one place

Sure, you need to change your play style, but if you're blaming the Vanguard for this, you might as well blame the Infiltrator for making the Vanguard, or other CQC classes stay back.

I am blaming the majority of the vanguards who played recklessly, hence the stereotype. Only about 1 out of 20 vanguards that I met played properly.

You cant really blame us for this. 

[Zenning]

KalilKareem wrote...

Zenning wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

My problem with vanguards is not exactly their performance, but the fact that they by definition sets the pace of the game and forces everyone else to play by their rules. For instance; two infiltrators and an enigineer are comfortable bunkered down in sniping positions waiting for the wave. But the vanguard just charges pushes onwards and fights the bulk of the enemies around a corner somewhere, cuz thats what he does. Now all the rest of the team will just have to;

a) Wait for him to die, which probably won't even happen on bronze/silver.
Run after, breaking cover and exposing themselves to flanking (which they, unlike the vanguard are not designed to deal with)
c) Just sit there unintentionally leeching

So, its not that the vanguards I play with are any worse players than the rest of us. But the vanguard class by design is just very frustrating and annoying to play with.

Final note: There are players out there there that are keenly aware of this and play their vanguard to avoid this (for instance, staying in cover until the wave approches and the helping their team lock down enemies or covering a flank). But they are in minority AND they typically score far worse on the score board by being "nice guys".

Why not look at it the exact oppisite way then?  class like Krogan's, Vanguards, Batarian's, have to stay in one place because the Infiltrator, is better at staying in one place

Sure, you need to change your play style, but if you're blaming the Vanguard for this, you might as well blame the Infiltrator for making the Vanguard, or other CQC classes stay back.

The infiltartor cannot prevent the vanguard for charging. The vanguard can and will prevent the infiltrator from sniping. Basically the vanguard play style trumphs all other play styles, and for me that is the core f the problem.

You literally just said that there are Keen Vanguards who don't do this.  I've seen infiltrators who had no problem staying with my Vanguard, and supporting me in the frontlines.  I've also played as a Vanguard who stays back, covers the flank, and prevents us from getting overwhelmed.

In either case, these classes are doing their part, just differently than they normally do.  Hell, why not have the Infiltrator grab a shotgun, and be just as effective, just up close. 

Once again, if you're blaming Vanguards for "setting the pace", you can just as easily blame Infiltrators for setting an other pace.

Modifié par Zenning, 18 avril 2012 - 07:12 .

[KalilKareem]

ABjerre wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

My problem with vanguards is not exactly their performance, but the fact that they by definition sets the pace of the game and forces everyone else to play by their rules. For instance; two infiltrators and an enigineer are comfortable bunkered down in sniping positions waiting for the wave. But the vanguard just charges pushes onwards and fights the bulk of the enemies around a corner somewhere, cuz thats what he does. Now all the rest of the team will just have to;

a) Wait for him to die, which probably won't even happen on bronze/silver.
Run after, breaking cover and exposing themselves to flanking (which they, unlike the vanguard are not designed to deal with)
c) Just sit there unintentionally leeching

a) Let him die - never break cover to res. He brought this on himself, and he needs to learn.
Refer to the action taken in "a".
c) Time for a ****** and a smoke.

Well, the thing is I sorta wanted to play the match.

[ABjerre]

Zenning wrote...
In either case, these classes are doing their part, just differently than they normally do.  Hell, why not have the Infiltrator grab a shotgun, and be just as effective, just up close. 

Once again, if you're blaming Vanguards for "setting the pace", you can just as easily blame Infiltrators for setting an other pace.

Why would an infiltrator grab a shotgun and put himself at an unnecessary risk of getting killed, at the account of catering to some moron that could just as well be covering the flank?

The difference is that if a vanguard is setting the pace, it forces 3 people out of their optimal playstile. If 3 other players are setting the pace, it forces the vanguard to play defencively and not stroke his epeen constantly with superman charges.

KalilKareem wrote...
Well, the thing is I sorta wanted to play the match.

You cant always get what you want, sorry.

Modifié par ABjerre, 18 avril 2012 - 07:17 .

[KalilKareem]

Zenning wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Zenning wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

My problem with vanguards is not exactly their performance, but the fact that they by definition sets the pace of the game and forces everyone else to play by their rules. For instance; two infiltrators and an enigineer are comfortable bunkered down in sniping positions waiting for the wave. But the vanguard just charges pushes onwards and fights the bulk of the enemies around a corner somewhere, cuz thats what he does. Now all the rest of the team will just have to;

a) Wait for him to die, which probably won't even happen on bronze/silver.
Run after, breaking cover and exposing themselves to flanking (which they, unlike the vanguard are not designed to deal with)
c) Just sit there unintentionally leeching

So, its not that the vanguards I play with are any worse players than the rest of us. But the vanguard class by design is just very frustrating and annoying to play with.

Final note: There are players out there there that are keenly aware of this and play their vanguard to avoid this (for instance, staying in cover until the wave approches and the helping their team lock down enemies or covering a flank). But they are in minority AND they typically score far worse on the score board by being "nice guys".

Why not look at it the exact oppisite way then?  class like Krogan's, Vanguards, Batarian's, have to stay in one place because the Infiltrator, is better at staying in one place

Sure, you need to change your play style, but if you're blaming the Vanguard for this, you might as well blame the Infiltrator for making the Vanguard, or other CQC classes stay back.

The infiltartor cannot prevent the vanguard for charging. The vanguard can and will prevent the infiltrator from sniping. Basically the vanguard play style trumphs all other play styles, and for me that is the core f the problem.

You literally just said that there are Keen Vanguards who don't do this.  I've seen infiltrators who had no problem staying with my Vanguard, and supporting me in the frontlines.  I've also played as a Vanguard who stays back, covers the flank, and prevents us from getting overwhelmed.

In either case, these classes are doing their part, just differently than they normally do.  Hell, why not have the Infiltrator grab a shotgun, and be just as effective, just up close. 

Once again, if you're blaming Vanguards for "setting the pace", you can just as easily blame Infiltrators for setting an other pace.

Im not blaming anyone. Just saying; it is annoying when the game is set to a higher pace than I am comfortable with (for example by loading out a javelin for my GI, which lends itself very poorly to chasing a krogan around the map trying to get a snap shot over his shoulder). He CAN set the pace for me by I CANNOT set the pace for him. Hence annoyance.

This is assuming randoms without mics.

[Bioticgodx]

Hyperglide wrote...

Hello, this is Commander Shephard and this is my favourite thread in the BSN.

Hey! Everyone! This forum discriminates against the Vanguards!

[InfamousResult]

I can understand why people are WARY of Vanguards. But it's the ridiculous kneejerk reaction to them that's pretty unacceptable.

I played a Gold match today- I was the Host, so I played Krogan Vanguard. No objections at the beginning of the match. But as soon as I move away from the group on the 1st Wave ( reiterate: 1st Wave, not an Objective Wave or even a later wave where the heavy enemies are coming in ), some guy turns on his mic and starts yelling at me to stay with everybody else because I'll get killed and they'll have to come rez me. Cussing and all.

By the end of the game, I had died a total of 2 times. He had died a total of 8 ( maybe more ) times, and DESPITE him being a complete jackwad over the mic, I would often BioCharge over to him and rez him. I remember getting the 10 Revive medal from that game because of him. No thank-you's either, just continuous complaints.

It's really a shame that people automatically blame Vanguards for everything, especially when they, themselves, are the ones bringing the team down.