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[Fireflyx147]

In my experience every time I've played a match and there is a douchebag in the game, 99% of the time it's a vanguard. It's also a little boring to be constantly put in games with 3 level 20 duded with level 20 Vanguards. Yeah, you like 'em but at least try the other classes. Mix it up a little

I know that each class is douchy in way or another.

[thefiresidecat]

wsandista wrote...

Jessica1995 wrote...

Zenning wrote...

Shut the hell up.

Thank yo-

No, that'll get me modded.


Look, we get that a lot of Vanguards suck ass.  But plenty are awesome, so stop with the random Vanguard bashing.  Seriously.  You're not cool.

I just get annoyed when theres the vanguard type that keeps using Biotic Charge into a group of enemies on GOLD and keeps getting downed over and over and over and again and again and again and over and again...you get my point. He just hurts the team more than he helps mainly because I'm that person who feels bad if I don't attempt to revive my squadmate. As are most people I've played with so we might end up losing because of that Vanguard. Obviously thats just one person, but I still haven't played with a decent Vanguard yet =/

That is because people really under estimate Gold. Gold is very hard, even with Geth, you should be level20 and have good weapons at least at level 7 before you attempt Gold.

I play with people who are leveling their N7 ranking. (me too) If you have good weapons you can totally do gold as a level one character. 
(playing carefully and staying behind cover) But I don't recommend it unless you're familar with gold.. but it's totally possible to do. I try and remain polite and keep my characters who are under level ten in bronze and silver (I try to stay out of silver as much as possible really because people quit way too often there for some reason) but I do just fine in gold with the level ten and above. I level up the health first and then start with the powers and play all characters as if they were just weapon bearers (except for the salarian engineer decoy starts getting the buffs first of all) 

Vanguards just don't have a place in gold. their main strength is charging into the heat of battle. that's fine on lower levels but in gold the hoards just don't stop. if there is one there are 15 more around the next corner, vanguard rushes out there he's gonna die. If he's just using his weapons mostly why the heck isn't he just playing as a more useful class? Krogans also don't have a place in gold. they are bullet magnets. 

[Zenning]

Fireflyx147 wrote...

In my experience every time I've played a match and there is a douchebag in the game, 99% of the time it's a vanguard. It's also a little boring to be constantly put in games with 3 level 20 duded with level 20 Vanguards. Yeah, you like 'em but at least try the other classes. Mix it up a little

I know that each class is douchy in way or another.

I do play every class.

I just know for a fact that the sheer amount of Vanguard hate is stupidly annoying.

[bloodDragon80]

thefiresidecat wrote...

I play with people who are leveling their N7 ranking. (me too) If you have good weapons you can totally do gold as a level one character. 
(playing carefully and staying behind cover) But I don't recommend it unless you're familar with gold.. but it's totally possible to do. I try and remain polite and keep my characters who are under level ten in bronze and silver (I try to stay out of silver as much as possible really because people quit way too often there for some reason) but I do just fine in gold with the level ten and above. I level up the health first and then start with the powers and play all characters as if they were just weapon bearers (except for the salarian engineer decoy starts getting the buffs first of all) 

Vanguards just don't have a place in gold. their main strength is charging into the heat of battle. that's fine on lower levels but in gold the hoards just don't stop. if there is one there are 15 more around the next corner, vanguard rushes out there he's gonna die. If he's just using his weapons mostly why the heck isn't he just playing as a more useful class? Krogans also don't have a place in gold. they are bullet magnets. 

i'll just leave this here

[astheoceansblue]

 I'm not sure why everyone is arguing: Vanguards are a tricky class to play well, and if you don't play them well you can make the game a lot harder for your team.
Learning Vanguard in Gold, I've ended more matches around wave 7 than any other class. I'm just starting to get good enough to make it to extraction each time, but only when the team is built to support the VGs style is that extraction made in decent time.

It's a niche class that requires a decent team build with it, imo, but when that build is in place and everyone knows what they're doing the VG is a biotic god!

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 18 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[Zenning]

thefiresidecat wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Jessica1995 wrote...

Zenning wrote...

Shut the hell up.

Thank yo-

No, that'll get me modded.


Look, we get that a lot of Vanguards suck ass.  But plenty are awesome, so stop with the random Vanguard bashing.  Seriously.  You're not cool.

I just get annoyed when theres the vanguard type that keeps using Biotic Charge into a group of enemies on GOLD and keeps getting downed over and over and over and again and again and again and over and again...you get my point. He just hurts the team more than he helps mainly because I'm that person who feels bad if I don't attempt to revive my squadmate. As are most people I've played with so we might end up losing because of that Vanguard. Obviously thats just one person, but I still haven't played with a decent Vanguard yet =/

That is because people really under estimate Gold. Gold is very hard, even with Geth, you should be level20 and have good weapons at least at level 7 before you attempt Gold.

I play with people who are leveling their N7 ranking. (me too) If you have good weapons you can totally do gold as a level one character. 
(playing carefully and staying behind cover) But I don't recommend it unless you're familar with gold.. but it's totally possible to do. I try and remain polite and keep my characters who are under level ten in bronze and silver (I try to stay out of silver as much as possible really because people quit way too often there for some reason) but I do just fine in gold with the level ten and above. I level up the health first and then start with the powers and play all characters as if they were just weapon bearers (except for the salarian engineer decoy starts getting the buffs first of all) 

Vanguards just don't have a place in gold. their main strength is charging into the heat of battle. that's fine on lower levels but in gold the hoards just don't stop. if there is one there are 15 more around the next corner, vanguard rushes out there he's gonna die. If he's just using his weapons mostly why the heck isn't he just playing as a more useful class? Krogans also don't have a place in gold. they are bullet magnets. 

Did you seriously ignore all the video's, and posts other people made?

Seriously, watch the goddamn video's, and watch the Vanguards both do damage, keep crowds away from the rest of the group, and completely goddamn destroy mooks, and anything that isn't a boss enemy.  And, they can keep Boss enemies distracted while adepts hit em with biotic explosions (That they set off. They can set off up to 3 Explosions every second.  Try doing that with any other class).

Seriously, don't say crap like they don't belong on gold.  It's just a completely stupid statement.

[wsandista]

Zenning wrote...

thefiresidecat wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Jessica1995 wrote...

Zenning wrote...

Shut the hell up.

Thank yo-

No, that'll get me modded.


Look, we get that a lot of Vanguards suck ass.  But plenty are awesome, so stop with the random Vanguard bashing.  Seriously.  You're not cool.

I just get annoyed when theres the vanguard type that keeps using Biotic Charge into a group of enemies on GOLD and keeps getting downed over and over and over and again and again and again and over and again...you get my point. He just hurts the team more than he helps mainly because I'm that person who feels bad if I don't attempt to revive my squadmate. As are most people I've played with so we might end up losing because of that Vanguard. Obviously thats just one person, but I still haven't played with a decent Vanguard yet =/

That is because people really under estimate Gold. Gold is very hard, even with Geth, you should be level20 and have good weapons at least at level 7 before you attempt Gold.

I play with people who are leveling their N7 ranking. (me too) If you have good weapons you can totally do gold as a level one character. 
(playing carefully and staying behind cover) But I don't recommend it unless you're familar with gold.. but it's totally possible to do. I try and remain polite and keep my characters who are under level ten in bronze and silver (I try to stay out of silver as much as possible really because people quit way too often there for some reason) but I do just fine in gold with the level ten and above. I level up the health first and then start with the powers and play all characters as if they were just weapon bearers (except for the salarian engineer decoy starts getting the buffs first of all) 

Vanguards just don't have a place in gold. their main strength is charging into the heat of battle. that's fine on lower levels but in gold the hoards just don't stop. if there is one there are 15 more around the next corner, vanguard rushes out there he's gonna die. If he's just using his weapons mostly why the heck isn't he just playing as a more useful class? Krogans also don't have a place in gold. they are bullet magnets. 

Did you seriously ignore all the video's, and posts other people made?

Seriously, watch the goddamn video's, and watch the Vanguards both do damage, keep crowds away from the rest of the group, and completely goddamn destroy mooks, and anything that isn't a boss enemy.  And, they can keep Boss enemies distracted while adepts hit em with biotic explosions (That they set off. They can set off up to 3 Explosions every second.  Try doing that with any other class).

Seriously, don't say crap like they don't belong on gold.  It's just a completely stupid statement.

Vanguards are great for gold, especially Krogan. The damage reduction coupled with shield recovery is great. The problem is when people try to play with bad weapons.

[Distilled Poison]

To insinuate that the Vanguard class itself is intrinsically bad is ridiculous. But it's just as nonsensical to imply that there isn't a reason why the class gets the hate. The vast majority of PUG Vanguards are just plain terrible. The Vanguard has many tools at his disposal, but most people don't use half of them.

And let's not forget what happens when they're not host.

[Fireflyx147]

Zenning wrote...

Fireflyx147 wrote...

In my experience every time I've played a match and there is a douchebag in the game, 99% of the time it's a vanguard. It's also a little boring to be constantly put in games with 3 level 20 duded with level 20 Vanguards. Yeah, you like 'em but at least try the other classes. Mix it up a little

I know that each class is douchy in way or another.

I do play every class.

I just know for a fact that the sheer amount of Vanguard hate is stupidly annoying.

Wasn't saying you didn't bro. But you have to look at it from others perspective. Rare to see a lot of love for someone who tanks and teleports round the map. I know not all Vanguard players are jerks, but the ones who are (and you know who you are ya jerks) have soured my opinion. So much that upon seeing "Vanguard" in the ready up screen is always followed by "Sodding Vanguards"

[Phazael]

astheoceansblue wrote...

 I'm not sure why everyone is arguing: Vanguards are a tricky class to play well, and if you don't play them well you can make the game a lot harder for your team.
Learning Vanguard in Gold, I've ended more matches around wave 7 than any other class. I'm just starting to get good enough to make it to extraction each time, but only when the team is built to support the VGs style is that extraction made in decent time.

It's a niche class that requires a decent team build with it, imo, but when that build is in place and everyone knows what they're doing the VG is a biotic god!

Because only 1% of the VG player base are actually as good as the other 99% think they are and they want everyone else to play supporting cast for them at higher difficulty levels.  Carrying a bad member of ANY other class is a lot less frustrating than playing with even the average VG and most VG players are stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle.  They don't want to change and the rest of the playerbase does not want to waste their time trying sifting through the refuse for the few capable ones and failboating all the while.

Also, no other class is as succeptible to bugs and lag as VG, which when combined with their playerbase and unique ability to destroy an entire run worse than if you have no one at all, makes taking one in a PUG a major gamble.

Modifié par Phazael, 18 avril 2012 - 11:21 .

[Heather Cline]

The reason why I hate vanguards is two fold. First plenty will just biotic charge into a group and get killed almost immediately. Second is that a vanguard will go around killing every single enemy in sight leaving those of us who play other classes little to nothing to kill. It's simply not leaving enough enemies for the rest of us to kill and score on.

These are my gripes with vanguards, they are over powered and the class that needs gimping the most because it's not fair that a vanguard can just go around the maps killing everything leaving little to nothing for the other players.

[Zenning]

Phazael wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

 I'm not sure why everyone is arguing: Vanguards are a tricky class to play well, and if you don't play them well you can make the game a lot harder for your team.
Learning Vanguard in Gold, I've ended more matches around wave 7 than any other class. I'm just starting to get good enough to make it to extraction each time, but only when the team is built to support the VGs style is that extraction made in decent time.

It's a niche class that requires a decent team build with it, imo, but when that build is in place and everyone knows what they're doing the VG is a biotic god!

Because only 1% of the VG player base are actually as good as the other 99% think they are and they want everyone else to play supporting cast for them at higher difficulty levels.  Carrying a bad member of ANY other class is a lot less frustrating than playing with even the average VG and most VG players are stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle.  They don't want to change and the rest of the playerbase does not want to waste their time trying sifting through the refuse for the few capable ones and failboating all the while.

Spawn camping.. Is not.. The only Viable.. Method..  To play.

Staying on the move, with a group is just as viable (and is in fact faster in many cases) Than just bunkering down, and killing things as they come to you.  PLEASE!  PLEASE! PLEASE! Stop blaming VG players for being "Stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle" if you obviously are too.

[samb]

To sum up why people hate vanguards:
"I don't like to coordinate with them, I'd rather camp and grind gold.  But admiting I like to camp makes me sound like a n00b so I will dump on vanguards instead to justify my unwillingness to play as a team."

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[astheoceansblue]

Phazael wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

 I'm not sure why everyone is arguing: Vanguards are a tricky class to play well, and if you don't play them well you can make the game a lot harder for your team.
Learning Vanguard in Gold, I've ended more matches around wave 7 than any other class. I'm just starting to get good enough to make it to extraction each time, but only when the team is built to support the VGs style is that extraction made in decent time.

It's a niche class that requires a decent team build with it, imo, but when that build is in place and everyone knows what they're doing the VG is a biotic god!

Because only 1% of the VG player base are actually as good as the other 99% think they are and they want everyone else to play supporting cast for them at higher difficulty levels.  Carrying a bad member of ANY other class is a lot less frustrating than playing with even the average VG and most VG players are stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle.  They don't want to change and the rest of the playerbase does not want to waste their time trying sifting through the refuse for the few capable ones and failboating all the while.

Also, no other class is as succeptible to bugs and lag as VG, which when combined with their playerbase and unique ability to destroy an entire run worse than if you have no one at all, makes taking one in a PUG a major gamble.

Yes, I know, that's what I wrote (or implied at least). I agree with you, I don't know why everyone's arguing.

Vanguard is difficult, most VGs suck and most people don't know how to build team synergy.

Simple.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 18 avril 2012 - 11:26 .

[bloodDragon80]

Heather Cline wrote...

The reason why I hate vanguards is two fold. First plenty will just biotic charge into a group and get killed almost immediately. Second is that a vanguard will go around killing every single enemy in sight leaving those of us who play other classes little to nothing to kill. It's simply not leaving enough enemies for the rest of us to kill and score on.

These are my gripes with vanguards, they are over powered and the class that needs gimping the most because it's not fair that a vanguard can just go around the maps killing everything leaving little to nothing for the other players.

so Phazael what were you saying about only VGs care about points?

[samb]

Zenning wrote...

Spawn camping.. Is not.. The only Viable.. Method..  To play.

Staying on the move, with a group is just as viable (and is in fact faster in many cases) Than just bunkering down, and killing things as they come to you.  PLEASE!  PLEASE! PLEASE! Stop blaming VG players for being "Stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle" if you obviously are too.

These people just can't admit that they are campers and using vanguards as a scapegoat is how they rationalize the horror that yes, they are indeed campers (and kind of bad at the game).

[samb]

double post

Modifié par samb, 18 avril 2012 - 11:28 .

[Zenning]

samb wrote...

Zenning wrote...

Spawn camping.. Is not.. The only Viable.. Method..  To play.

Staying on the move, with a group is just as viable (and is in fact faster in many cases) Than just bunkering down, and killing things as they come to you.  PLEASE!  PLEASE! PLEASE! Stop blaming VG players for being "Stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle" if you obviously are too.

These people just can't admit that they are campers and using vanguards as a scapegoat is how they rationalize the horror that yes, they are indeed campers (and kind of bad at the game).

Being a camper is not being bad at the game.  It is perfectly viable, and still takes skill, and requires you to understand how spawn points work, and how the map works.

It's just that it is not the only way to play the game.]

[Fireflyx147]

samb wrote...

Zenning wrote...

Spawn camping.. Is not.. The only Viable.. Method..  To play.

Staying on the move, with a group is just as viable (and is in fact faster in many cases) Than just bunkering down, and killing things as they come to you.  PLEASE!  PLEASE! PLEASE! Stop blaming VG players for being "Stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle" if you obviously are too.

These people just can't admit that they are campers and using vanguards as a scapegoat is how they rationalize the horror that yes, they are indeed campers (and kind of bad at the game).

I fail to see how maintaining a defensive position is any less "noobish" than charging off like a headless chicken with biotic powers

[bloodDragon80]

astheoceansblue wrote...

Phazael wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

 I'm not sure why everyone is arguing: Vanguards are a tricky class to play well, and if you don't play them well you can make the game a lot harder for your team.
Learning Vanguard in Gold, I've ended more matches around wave 7 than any other class. I'm just starting to get good enough to make it to extraction each time, but only when the team is built to support the VGs style is that extraction made in decent time.

It's a niche class that requires a decent team build with it, imo, but when that build is in place and everyone knows what they're doing the VG is a biotic god!

Because only 1% of the VG player base are actually as good as the other 99% think they are and they want everyone else to play supporting cast for them at higher difficulty levels.  Carrying a bad member of ANY other class is a lot less frustrating than playing with even the average VG and most VG players are stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle.  They don't want to change and the rest of the playerbase does not want to waste their time trying sifting through the refuse for the few capable ones and failboating all the while.

Also, no other class is as succeptible to bugs and lag as VG, which when combined with their playerbase and unique ability to destroy an entire run worse than if you have no one at all, makes taking one in a PUG a major gamble.

Yes, I know, that's what I wrote (or implied at least). I agree with you, I don't know why everyone's arguing.

Vanguard is difficult, most VGs suck and most people don't know how to build team synergy.

Simple.

nobody is arguing that there aren't bad vanguards we are arguing about the BULLS*** coming from some people

Modifié par bloodDragon80, 18 avril 2012 - 11:31 .

[a ViciousFerret]

nwz wrote...

Hyperglide wrote...

Hello, this is Commander Shephard and this is my favourite thread in the BSN.

I thought Shepard was dead?

Depends on your favorite color.

[astheoceansblue]

Zenning wrote...

Phazael wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

 I'm not sure why everyone is arguing: Vanguards are a tricky class to play well, and if you don't play them well you can make the game a lot harder for your team.
Learning Vanguard in Gold, I've ended more matches around wave 7 than any other class. I'm just starting to get good enough to make it to extraction each time, but only when the team is built to support the VGs style is that extraction made in decent time.

It's a niche class that requires a decent team build with it, imo, but when that build is in place and everyone knows what they're doing the VG is a biotic god!

Because only 1% of the VG player base are actually as good as the other 99% think they are and they want everyone else to play supporting cast for them at higher difficulty levels.  Carrying a bad member of ANY other class is a lot less frustrating than playing with even the average VG and most VG players are stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle.  They don't want to change and the rest of the playerbase does not want to waste their time trying sifting through the refuse for the few capable ones and failboating all the while.

Spawn camping.. Is not.. The only Viable.. Method..  To play.

Staying on the move, with a group is just as viable (and is in fact faster in many cases) Than just bunkering down, and killing things as they come to you.  PLEASE!  PLEASE! PLEASE! Stop blaming VG players for being "Stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle" if you obviously are too.

The problem is not only VGs, but players in general not kowing how to build team synergy.

I set up a Host to play VG on Ghost Vs Reapers on Gold, when two Salarian Engineers and an SI joined and I asked if anyone could change classes to help build a more effective team, I was told to change myself as everyone was playing what they wanted to.

Public games are mostly selfish, glory hunting cess pits of ego. I rarely find anyone willing to set up a team to effecively use my VG with, so I usually end up changing myself to fit the haphazard group that probably won't make it past wave 9 anyway...

bloodDragon80 wrote...
nobody is arguing that there aren't bad vanguards we are arguing about the BULLS*** coming from some people

 

It's equal parts people not knowing how to play the class and people not knowing how to set up the team to make the most of their potential.

Just because a class is niche doesn't make it bad, but it /does/ make it frustrating to play with a lot of the time.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 18 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[samb]

Zenning wrote...

samb wrote...

Zenning wrote...

Spawn camping.. Is not.. The only Viable.. Method..  To play.

Staying on the move, with a group is just as viable (and is in fact faster in many cases) Than just bunkering down, and killing things as they come to you.  PLEASE!  PLEASE! PLEASE! Stop blaming VG players for being "Stubbornly opposed to adapting their playstyle" if you obviously are too.

These people just can't admit that they are campers and using vanguards as a scapegoat is how they rationalize the horror that yes, they are indeed campers (and kind of bad at the game).

Being a camper is not being bad at the game.  It is perfectly viable, and still takes skill, and requires you to understand how spawn points work, and how the map works.

It's just that it is not the only way to play the game.]

It doesn't require quite as much feedback.  Just man your position and what not.  Hey I camp all the time, but I have played "follow the vanguard" too.  I camp because no one really needs to talk or coordinates as much.  I grind gold just like everyone else.  I do it because it's much less demanding than working out a rotation for combos, frantically looking for things to reave etc.  It's much easier.