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[Manuel La Bor]

inb4lock wrote...

Really great info. I never really thought about it but it seems the the only class who would benefit from APmod on these are the GI. I have succesfully sniped through walls with this setup. On all other classes its a waste of a mod slot.

Which is why at first I didn't bother with posting the numbers, but I was mistaken - and now hopefully more people can see these numbers and optimize their gear and hopefully make the game a little easier on themselves. 

[xX 7heGuy Xx]

This has helped me a lot since i first saw it a while back so thanks for making this for us math handicapped folks! If i see you on the field i'll surely give you a friendly headbutt

[Manuel La Bor]

xX 7heGuy Xx wrote...

This has helped me a lot since i first saw it a while back so thanks for making this for us math handicapped folks! If i see you on the field i'll surely give you a friendly headbutt

No problem bro, It's not that the math is very difficult - its just a lot of repettitive calculations. But I am glad that so many people have found a use for this info. 

[Manuel La Bor]

Updated for april 24th patch changes. The hurricane is now almost exactly = to a mattock in damage per round, but with a 72 round mag (104 rounds if heat sink hits every time.) and a MUCH higher ROF - this is now probably the king of all fully auto weapons.

[Ahms]

bump

[KentGoldings]

The piercing mod is not just about damage. It also shoots through stuff. Like Guardians.

[Manuel La Bor]

KentGoldings wrote...

The piercing mod is not just about damage. It also shoots through stuff. Like Guardians.

Duh:lol:

I stated in that long ass preamble - that I only put the damage stats here to show the differences in damage between the two, leaving it up to the player to decide if the utility of cover/enemy piercing is worth the potential decrease in damage efficiency. 

[KentGoldings]

Manuel La Bor wrote...

KentGoldings wrote...

The piercing mod is not just about damage. It also shoots through stuff. Like Guardians.

Duh:lol:

I stated in that long ass preamble - that I only put the damage stats here to show the differences in damage between the two, leaving it up to the player to decide if the utility of cover/enemy piercing is worth the potential decrease in damage efficiency. 

Sorry man, I was dumbfounded by the blur of numbers.  BTW, it helps if you state your conclsuions in the abstract.

[Manuel La Bor]

KentGoldings wrote...

Manuel La Bor wrote...

KentGoldings wrote...

The piercing mod is not just about damage. It also shoots through stuff. Like Guardians.

Duh:lol:

I stated in that long ass preamble - that I only put the damage stats here to show the differences in damage between the two, leaving it up to the player to decide if the utility of cover/enemy piercing is worth the potential decrease in damage efficiency. 

Sorry man, I was dumbfounded by the blur of numbers.  BTW, it helps if you state your conclsuions in the abstract.

It's all good bro, I haven't had to write things for other people to read in quite a long time so it usually comes out a bit jumbled and scatterbrained. I'll try to edit it for readability when I have time.

[KentGoldings]

Manuel La Bor wrote...

KentGoldings wrote...

Manuel La Bor wrote...

KentGoldings wrote...

The piercing mod is not just about damage. It also shoots through stuff. Like Guardians.

Duh:lol:

I stated in that long ass preamble - that I only put the damage stats here to show the differences in damage between the two, leaving it up to the player to decide if the utility of cover/enemy piercing is worth the potential decrease in damage efficiency. 

Sorry man, I was dumbfounded by the blur of numbers.  BTW, it helps if you state your conclsuions in the abstract.

It's all good bro, I haven't had to write things for other people to read in quite a long time so it usually comes out a bit jumbled and scatterbrained. I'll try to edit it for readability when I have time.

Don't bother. That would violate your artistic integrity.  Besides, I like numbers.  You should have stated your conclusion up front though.

[Manuel La Bor]

KentGoldings wrote...

Manuel La Bor wrote...

KentGoldings wrote...

Manuel La Bor wrote...

KentGoldings wrote...

The piercing mod is not just about damage. It also shoots through stuff. Like Guardians.

Duh:lol:

I stated in that long ass preamble - that I only put the damage stats here to show the differences in damage between the two, leaving it up to the player to decide if the utility of cover/enemy piercing is worth the potential decrease in damage efficiency. 

Sorry man, I was dumbfounded by the blur of numbers.  BTW, it helps if you state your conclsuions in the abstract.

It's all good bro, I haven't had to write things for other people to read in quite a long time so it usually comes out a bit jumbled and scatterbrained. I'll try to edit it for readability when I have time.

Don't bother. That would violate your artistic integrity.  Besides, I like numbers.  You should have stated your conclusion up front though.

Ah, artistic integrity - lets you get away with anything nowadays eh? 

I will be sure to put my conclusions upfront the next time I write a lengthy post. 

[Pichsterz]

This is awesome. Thanks!

[Manuel La Bor]

Pichsterz wrote...

This is awesome. Thanks!

Ha, thanks. This is stuff most people should at least give a quick look at to see if they are under utilizing their resources.

[BraveLToaster]

Manuel La Bor wrote...

Updated for april 24th patch changes. The hurricane is now almost exactly = to a mattock in damage per round, but with a 72 round mag (104 rounds if heat sink hits every time.) and a MUCH higher ROF - this is now probably the king of all fully auto weapons.

It consumes two ammo per bullet fired though.

[Manuel La Bor]

BraveLToaster wrote...

Manuel La Bor wrote...

Updated for april 24th patch changes. The hurricane is now almost exactly = to a mattock in damage per round, but with a 72 round mag (104 rounds if heat sink hits every time.) and a MUCH higher ROF - this is now probably the king of all fully auto weapons.

It consumes two ammo per bullet fired though.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thats still somewhere around sixty bullets fired before reload, 6k damage per clip if you hit most of your heat sinks dice throws. No wonder I was burning through ammo so fast in marksman mode. 

Modifié par Manuel La Bor, 28 avril 2012 - 06:56 .

[Creston918]

Thanks OP!

I'd been using AP on my Carnifex, so it's nice to see cold, unfeeling math to show me what an idiot I was. 

[Manuel La Bor]

Creston918 wrote...

Thanks OP!

I'd been using AP on my Carnifex, so it's nice to see cold, unfeeling math to show me what an idiot I was. 

It's still a smart move to use AP mod on the fex, since I roll random enemies I have to have AP on my pistol incase I get derperus. But if you have a pretty large supply of warp or AP ammo then take the EB all day long. 

[Ashilana]

KentGoldings wrote...

The piercing mod is not just about damage. It also shoots through stuff. Like Guardians.

But numbers!   Numbers never lie.   hehe

I feel pretty limited when I don't have at least one gone with AP (ammo or mod) in a match.   Knowing phantom is hiding behind that puny wall and not being able to shoot her....it would be too frustrating.

[Manuel La Bor]

Ashilana wrote...

KentGoldings wrote...

The piercing mod is not just about damage. It also shoots through stuff. Like Guardians.

But numbers!   Numbers never lie.   hehe

I feel pretty limited when I don't have at least one gone with AP (ammo or mod) in a match.   Knowing phantom is hiding behind that puny wall and not being able to shoot her....it would be too frustrating.

Yeah, in most cases the difference in damage is small enough that the utility of having cover piercing is still the smarter choice to make. Usually I use the Phalanx with AP and any other weapon for normal enemies. 

[Manuel La Bor]

Updated with May 2nd weapons changes.

Wraith 127.8 {1022.4} [.8rps] - S 97.8 {782.4} G 77.8 {622.4}
AP - S 116.3 {930.4} G 109.3 {874.4}
EB 159.75 - S 129.75 {1038} G 109.75 {878}
Both - S148.25 {1186} G 141.375 {1130}

Arc Pistol [9.16rps] 87.7 {526.2} - S = 57.7 {346.2} G = 37.7 {226.2}
AP - S = 76.2 {457.2} G = 69.2 {415.2}
EB 109.625 {657.75} - S = 79.625 {477.75} G = 59.625 {357.75}
Both - S 98.125 {588.75} G 77.5 {546.75}

The wraith is now a very good choice to take with any class, and the arc pistol got some major love as well. It basically is now a slug shooting talon/predator hybrid weapon and one I will definitely give more use to in the future.

[rgeshevv]

Nice work there, thank you! :]

[Manuel La Bor]

rgeshevv wrote...

Nice work there, thank you! :]

Glad I could be of help to ya.

[rgeshevv]

bump

[Manuel La Bor]

Updated for may 16th changes, added indra.

[whalewhisker]

Great post! bookmarked for future reference.