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[Legbiter]

Femshep had her chance with Jacob and blew it.

[jeweledleah]

/takes a step into the topic.
/reads the first 2 pages
/oooookey, i'm out

P.S. Jacob cheated, because he wasn't popular enough to write separate arcs/romance continuation for. it has nothing to do with "artistic integrity" and everything to do with resource allocation. notice which characters have the best integrated romance arcs complete with battlefield flirting and general dialogue across the entire game? I'll give you a hint. Garrus and Tali. Liara may have gotten more content in general, but her romance specific arc is... lacking. unless main definition of romance for people is a presence of sex scene? cause I'm fine with fade to black personally, as long as the rest of the game doesn't feel like they forgot you are in a relationship. /rant

[Foxhound2121]

I don't blame Jacob. I mean, if a girl I liked changed her casual walk to me3 femshep's, I would dump her too.

[Prosarian]

Meh

Ali Hillis > Jo Wyatt

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

Or maybe it's because FemShep sucks?

[Spectre Impersonator]

Don't care about Jacob and the only Shep I romanced him with is happier going lesbian for Traynor anyway.

[SolidisusSnake1]

Um its pretty obivous why. Nobody likes Jacob!

Thus the writers just said "fine you dont like him well then don't complain when we take him away from you". Though I gotta say Jacob even pissed me off as a MaleShep with his "can't help you, gotta take care of these people Shep". I mean that is some of the weakest and most selfish BS I have ever heard. I mean most other characters couldnt help you out but there reasoning was at least plausible and made sense, Jacob is just like "I got this chick pregnant so sorry".

Hey idiot you do realize if the Reapers win you wont be spending time with anyone ever again? But no I'm sure shuffling papers around for Hackett is the best use of your abilities.

[Psychlonus]

MuhidinSaid wrote...

Honestly though. It's just odd writing that might border on it being slightly racist. Think about it, Jacob having a ruthless goon of a father who abandons him, and if you romance him, he runs out on you, people were laughing about the coincidences on YouTube but honestly bioware sounds like they created him in five minutes.

Jacob...a stereotype? I never thought that...
*smirks*
I mean..."gravity is one mean mother" could just as easily have been Kaiden's quote...
*smirks*

[humes spork]

After having done a Jacob romance in ME2, and in ME3 actually did Cole's and Jacob's dialogues...I really think people criticizing the Jacob romance decision really ought to experience the content for themselves before griping.

[Garlador]

[nitefyre410]

No not really - sometimes... circumstances just plan suck..

[Thargorichiban]

So, Jacob says he fell in love with another woman. They began going out about 12 months before you meet him again. Shepard is only on Earth in Alliance prison for 6 months. Man, Jacob, you such a dog!

[nitefyre410]

Honestly I have seen LI's and MC relationship treated worst..

[tractrpl]

Roxy Lalonde wrote...

I always found it a bit dumb that Jacob's all "omg didja expect me to wait foREVER????"

A romanced VS "waits" three years, mate

three

years

Do they? That they blow Shep off seems to indicate otherwise. Just cause they don't get involved in another relationship (allegedly) doesn't mean they were being loyal, just focused on other things. I went more than three years single before, I wasn't being loyal to anyone. 

Modifié par tractrpl, 28 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[jeweledleah]

All Dead wrote...

humes spork wrote...

After having done a Jacob romance in ME2, and in ME3 actually did Cole's and Jacob's dialogues...I really think people criticizing the Jacob romance decision really ought to experience the content for themselves before griping.

lolwhat? I experienced it. It was quite ****. Really.

this.  it was a total bull of a turnabout and completely out of character.  what little romance specific dialogue was tacked on and railroaded becasue they coudln't be bothered.  i also did that mission without Jacob and guess what?  there's barely any difference.  they didn't even try.

resource allocation.
all romances and returning characters are equaly important, my butt.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 28 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[fr33stylez]

I never got why people give Jacob so much crap about this, when a significant chunk of players here had multiple LIs throughout the ME games.

[BatmanPWNS]

Can't blame Miranda for dumping Shepard............ oh wait, Bioware don't have the balls to screw MaleShep.

[His Name was HYR!!]

 I agree. I'm not sure BW should have gone this route though, they should have came up with some contrived reason to keep him loyal to femshep and continue his romance into ME3 because of how straight-femshep got shafted (not that it would have mattered for a new ME3 play or romance-less import).

But there really was not anything bad about what he did as such though. Femshep was locked up and none of her old squad could contact her, and then she was also on Earth when the Reapers attacked it in force. I know we know that femshep won't die, plot-armor and all that, but Jacob doesn't have that meta-game logic nor should he.

I think people calling this a character-assassination were giving him way too much credit from before. Frankly, I thought Jacob was a loser back in ME2. In ME3 he became far more human, and actually somewhat likeable.

[ticklefist]

Prosarian wrote...

Meh

Ali Hillis > Jo Wyatt

Dat monotone, eh?

[my Aim is True]

Vataxa wrote...

Perhaps, but the repercussions of cheating on Shepherd....

Heavy risk, but the prize.

[Smugglers Luck]

How about you stop complaining about Jacob and start complaining about Allers. She was a waste of space and memory. She deserves more hate.

[jeweledleah]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 I agree. I'm not sure BW should have gone this route though, they should have came up with some contrived reason to keep him loyal to femshep and continue his romance into ME3 because of how straight-femshep got shafted (not that it would have mattered for a new ME3 play or romance-less import).

But there really was not anything bad about what he did as such though. Femshep was locked up and none of her old squad could contact her, and then she was also on Earth when the Reapers attacked it in force. I know we know that femshep won't die, plot-armor and all that, but Jacob doesn't have that meta-game logic nor should he.

I think people calling this a character-assassination were giving him way too much credit from before. Frankly, I thought Jacob was a loser back in ME2. In ME3 he became far more human, and actually somewhat likeable.

the biggest issue with the whole thing is.. 

he was written as a guy who tells you like it is, a guy who doesn't hold back.  someone who would confront you first. he takes it slow with femshep and he's the only character prior to ME3 to tell her to her face that he loves her - present tense.  he has a fantastic dialogue where he asks her how she's doing and being all supportive that's ONLY available in romance.

he wasn't written as a weak minded fool who coudln't even keep it in his pants long enough to at least break up with femshep, someone who KNEW where she was, its not like femshep just disapears - he knows EXACTLY where she went and why.

it was less then a year that they didn't see each other.  Jacob from ME2?  even if he had fallen in love with Bryn, he would have waited to tell femshep first, before going for the next relationship. and he woudln't have been more careful and didn't just knock Bryn up in a middle of a goddamn war.

this was railroading plain and simple.

oh too few people romanced him, so we'll just copy paste the whole thing, add an extra sentence and call it a day. they did something very similar to Thane, except instead of making him cheat, they did a complete character reversal and forgot all about availabel transplants, lazarus project technology and the fact that he tells femshep he's not ready to die anymore. >_>

this wasn't supposed to be a goddamn popularity contest.  but its exactly what it has become.  almost every single thing about the characters that players get to do was included based on the most popular demand.

with exception of Liara.  she got a crapton of content, mediocre romance integration other then her romance scene and she's impossible to kill without killing everyone else in a process.

P.S.  Allers was a freaking product placement/typical shooter fan who actualy knows who the hell she is atraction tactic.  she was there as a vehicle for IGN reporter, whose one claim to fame is licking a psp.  She cannot act, her presence and call me conspiracy theorist, but one has to wonder if their vehement defence of ME3  and their venom towards disatisfied fans has anything to do with that.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 28 avril 2012 - 04:52 .

[NUM13ER]

LOL just watched the "romance" video. Seriously not only does Shep take it like a complete pushover, but at one stage she comes across as some crazed stalker trying to hump him in the med bay whilst there's a war going on outside. And seriously why isn't anyone getting a Renegade punch to face?

It's like they were deliberately trying to troll anyone who romanced him. You basically have to sit there and accept it with no fuss at all. Commander Shepard powerless before Jacob Taylor lol.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 28 avril 2012 - 04:58 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

jeweledleah wrote...

the biggest issue with the whole thing is.. 

he was written as a guy who tells you like it is, a guy who doesn't hold back.  someone who would confront you first. he takes it slow with femshep and he's the only character prior to ME3 to tell her to her face that he loves her - present tense.  he has a fantastic dialogue where he asks her how she's doing and being all supportive that's ONLY available in romance.

he wasn't written as a weak minded fool who coudln't even keep it in his pants long enough to at least break up with femshep, someone who KNEW where she was, its not like femshep just disapears - he knows EXACTLY where she went and why.

it was less then a year that they didn't see each other.  Jacob from ME2?  even if he had fallen in love with Bryn, he would have waited to tell femshep first, before going for the next relationship. and he woudln't have been more careful and didn't just knock Bryn up in a middle of a goddamn war.

this was railroading plain and simple.

oh too few people romanced him, so we'll just copy paste the whole thing, add an extra sentence and call it a day. they did something very similar to Thane, except instead of making him cheat, they did a complete character reversal and forgot all about availabel transplants, lazarus project technology and the fact that he tells femshep he's not ready to die anymore. >_>

this wasn't supposed to be a goddamn popularity contest.  but its exactly what it has become.  almost every single thing about the characters that players get to do was included based on the most popular demand.

with exception of Liara.  she got a crapton of content, mediocre romance integration other then her romance scene and she's impossible to kill without killing everyone else in a process.

P.S.  Allers was a freaking product placement/typical shooter fan who actualy knows who the hell she is atraction tactic.  she was there as a vehicle for IGN reporter, whose one claim to fame is licking a psp.  She cannot act, her presence and call me conspiracy theorist, but one has to wonder if their vehement defence of ME3  and their venom towards disatisfied fans has anything to do with that.

Yeah, kinda hard to confront femshep while she's locked-up on Earth, where the Reapers have attacked in force. How many other squadmates talked to her? Not one. Not even Shadow Broker Liara who the writers otherwise LOOOVE to force onto you.

Let me reiterate: femshep is locked-up and Jacob has no way of contacting her. I mean, you think the Alliance will want her talking to her old friends from Cerberus? Then it's hit by the Reapers, who are killing millions by the day, and targetting big cities. Shep is in Vancouver, big city and Alliance hub. Jacob has no reason to think he'll ever see her again. That's what he says when you see him on Gellix, something like "never thought I'd see you again" iirc, LI or not.

Again, not exactly reasonable of BW given straight-femshep's lack of options, but it does make sense.

This happens irl too. Those prisoners thrown in Guantanamo Bay without a trial have wives too. Said wives bang their heads against the wall trying to get to them. Some move on. Others just wallow in depression. For a man who's redeeming quality is "stability" and not being weak-minded, I would expect he'd do the former, not the latter.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 28 avril 2012 - 05:27 .