222 réponses à ce sujet

[KingKhan03]

The scene where thessia was burning and reapers were landing was better then anything we got from earth.

[Lisylis]

The Angry One wrote...

Lisylis wrote...

I think it's one of those irritating 'narrative convenience' things : which I'm sure you know already. I agree that literally everyone in the Alliance should know that Shep is too important to be held in prison for like 6 months though!

I even bought Arrival but that's not really much of an explanation. SHEPARD DOES NOT CARE ABOUT BATARIANS (even as a paragon)

Indeed. Also, I don't buy the "refitting Normandy" excuse. Give Shepard another ship and off they go.
In fact, give Shepard her mom's ship. Because that would be awesome. Non spacers could get some other dreadnought.

But anyway yeah Batarians. Basically Shepard's in jail just to please the damn Batarians. My Shepard would be so pissed off.
Especially since, partly due to this, the Batarians are now all dead. Nice one Alliance! Screwing everybody over for minor and temporary political convenience.

BUT EVERYONE HATES BATARIANS SO ITS NOT EVEN AN APPEASEMENT THING. also they still have their homeworld, right? she only blew up a colony or something.

THIS DOESNT HELP ANYONE.

[RoyalGambit]

They should have had a scene with normal people living normal lives in the beginning. Preferably a busy street with cafes and restaurants and stuff like that. Make Earth feel lived in and connected with the lives we, as the player, live every day.

[Lisylis]

KingKhan03 wrote...

The scene where thessia was burning and reapers were landing was better then anything we got from earth.

YES.

@Baronesa too, because this largely covers the same thing: I felt way more attached to Thessia just because we talked to some Asari that were hanging around.

It wouldn't have taken much on Earth to create that same attachment surely

[The Angry One]

Lisylis wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lisylis wrote...

I think it's one of those irritating 'narrative convenience' things : which I'm sure you know already. I agree that literally everyone in the Alliance should know that Shep is too important to be held in prison for like 6 months though!

I even bought Arrival but that's not really much of an explanation. SHEPARD DOES NOT CARE ABOUT BATARIANS (even as a paragon)

Indeed. Also, I don't buy the "refitting Normandy" excuse. Give Shepard another ship and off they go.
In fact, give Shepard her mom's ship. Because that would be awesome. Non spacers could get some other dreadnought.

But anyway yeah Batarians. Basically Shepard's in jail just to please the damn Batarians. My Shepard would be so pissed off.
Especially since, partly due to this, the Batarians are now all dead. Nice one Alliance! Screwing everybody over for minor and temporary political convenience.

BUT EVERYONE HATES BATARIANS SO ITS NOT EVEN AN APPEASEMENT THING. also they still have their homeworld, right? she only blew up a colony or something.

THIS DOESNT HELP ANYONE.

There are vague references to the Alliance locking up Shepard to avoid another war with the Hegemony (because everybody fears the 5 Batarian ships that actually work).

Modifié par The Angry One, 18 avril 2012 - 09:42 .

[Wulfram]

I took it that Shepard was really on Earth giving the Alliance tips on preparing for the invasion. It's just there were enough political difficulties going on that they needed the "relieved of duty" stuff as a cover story.

[Lisylis]

The Angry One wrote...

Lisylis wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lisylis wrote...

I think it's one of those irritating 'narrative convenience' things : which I'm sure you know already. I agree that literally everyone in the Alliance should know that Shep is too important to be held in prison for like 6 months though!

I even bought Arrival but that's not really much of an explanation. SHEPARD DOES NOT CARE ABOUT BATARIANS (even as a paragon)

Indeed. Also, I don't buy the "refitting Normandy" excuse. Give Shepard another ship and off they go.
In fact, give Shepard her mom's ship. Because that would be awesome. Non spacers could get some other dreadnought.

But anyway yeah Batarians. Basically Shepard's in jail just to please the damn Batarians. My Shepard would be so pissed off.
Especially since, partly due to this, the Batarians are now all dead. Nice one Alliance! Screwing everybody over for minor and temporary political convenience.

BUT EVERYONE HATES BATARIANS SO ITS NOT EVEN AN APPEASEMENT THING. also they still have their homeworld, right? she only blew up a colony or something.

THIS DOESNT HELP ANYONE.

There are vague references to the Alliance locking up Shepard to avoid another war with the Hegemony (because everybody fears the 5 Batarian ships that actually work).

Why would the Alliance be so concerned about what the Batarians think of them? :it is a mystery:

[Akranadas]

Another issue with Earth was the lack of it looking like Earth, the end mission was in London so you had big ben and red phone boxes. But the beginning had nothing to tie modern Earth to future Earth.

[AlienSpaceBats]

I didn't feel connected to the place at all but in order to do that, I guess they'd have had to have made the entire game on Earth.

Probably would've been a better idea to take a cue from other SF where Earth is an overpopulated, polluted craphole that no-one wants to see.

[Lisylis]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

I didn't feel connected to the place at all but in order to do that, I guess they'd have had to have made the entire game on Earth.

Probably would've been a better idea to take a cue from other SF where Earth is an overpopulated, polluted craphole that no-one wants to see.

I kind of thought that was what they were implying, that's why Earthborn Shep's life is so ****.

Although their ME1 info on earth doesnt seem so terrible. It looks nice in the one image you can view of it

[The Angry One]

Akranadas wrote...

Another issue with Earth was the lack of it looking like Earth, the end mission was in London so you had big ben and red phone boxes. But the beginning had nothing to tie modern Earth to future Earth.

Hm... does anyone think it was a mistake setting the intro in Vancouver?
I mean yeah BioWare's Canadian and all but for the rest of the world... there's not exactly any significant landmarks in Vancouver that stand out.
To me it was just a generic future city. I just wonder if it would've been better to set it somewhere with familiar landmarks like, say, New York or Paris. Even if cliche.

[Flidget]

Baronesa wrote...

I felt no real connection towards Earth, or not a bigger one than towards other Homeworlds... In fact I felt more connected to Thessia (My Liara's world!), Palaven (My best friend ever!) and Tuchanka (my Brother Wrex!).

My Paragon Spacer was more interested in SAVING the WHOLE GALAXY, rather than individual worlds, anyway... Being so... Earth-Centric is almost like going back to Mass Effect, and FORCE you to support Terra Firma, no matter what.

Especially because no matter how Earth-centric a Shep may be it's pretty obvious that Earth isn't going to win this one alone, it'll take a united Galaxy.  That whole bit about "I don't want to leave Earth, I want to stay and fight!" was incredibly jarring and made Shep sound like an idiot.

The hell you do, myShep.  Shut up, stop whining, get off your ass and go find Garrus.

[CTWraith]

I remember playing ME1, and being on Luna during the VI mission. For a second I got my squad out of the Mako and just stood there, staring at Earth thinking, "What a view." It seemed that in that moment of looking at the Earth, there was a tranquility in the middle of the ****storm of chasing down Saren.

Then, we get to ME3. Sure, it starts out on Earth, in Vancouver, but since they glossed over any sort of Earth element in ME2, I didn't feel any sort of connection to Earth. The only connection I felt was to the city of Vancouver since I live relatively close by, here in Edmonton. The disconnected feeling only got worse when I found that I can spend untold amounts of time sitting in a bar on the Citadel drinking Shep's butt off, all while Earth is burning (not to mention Thessia, Palaven, and hundreds/thousands of other worlds)

Then, we get back to Earth. Except apparently the best time to fight the Reapers is in the dead of night, with little to no lighting (aside from the in game, atmospheric lighting). I knew London was wrecked, but it kind of lost any impact it may have had if it had been seen in day light. During the London sequence, I felt more connected to the Firefighters who had been ordered to use their trucks as a distraction for the Reapers, rather than using them to help civilians and put out fires. I'm a former volunteer firefighter, and I know that the situation would have to be apocalyptic in scale if that kind of order is passed down, and that hit me more than London being a wreck, along with the rest of the world.

So no, I didn't feel connected to Earth. I only felt connected to one city, and the brave fire fighters that were only mentioned in a PDA...and no, I didn't feel that I even "Took back the Earth." But that's another story for another time...

Modifié par CTWraith, 18 avril 2012 - 09:53 .

[Flidget]

The Angry One wrote...

Lisylis wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lisylis wrote...

I think it's one of those irritating 'narrative convenience' things : which I'm sure you know already. I agree that literally everyone in the Alliance should know that Shep is too important to be held in prison for like 6 months though!

I even bought Arrival but that's not really much of an explanation. SHEPARD DOES NOT CARE ABOUT BATARIANS (even as a paragon)

Indeed. Also, I don't buy the "refitting Normandy" excuse. Give Shepard another ship and off they go.
In fact, give Shepard her mom's ship. Because that would be awesome. Non spacers could get some other dreadnought.

But anyway yeah Batarians. Basically Shepard's in jail just to please the damn Batarians. My Shepard would be so pissed off.
Especially since, partly due to this, the Batarians are now all dead. Nice one Alliance! Screwing everybody over for minor and temporary political convenience.

BUT EVERYONE HATES BATARIANS SO ITS NOT EVEN AN APPEASEMENT THING. also they still have their homeworld, right? she only blew up a colony or something.

THIS DOESNT HELP ANYONE.

There are vague references to the Alliance locking up Shepard to avoid another war with the Hegemony (because everybody fears the 5 Batarian ships that actually work).

It actually makes a lot more sense if you never did Arrival because then Shepard's just on trial for working with Cerberus.

[Lisylis]

The Angry One wrote...

Akranadas wrote...

Another issue with Earth was the lack of it looking like Earth, the end mission was in London so you had big ben and red phone boxes. But the beginning had nothing to tie modern Earth to future Earth.

Hm... does anyone think it was a mistake setting the intro in Vancouver?
I mean yeah BioWare's Canadian and all but for the rest of the world... there's not exactly any significant landmarks in Vancouver that stand out.
To me it was just a generic future city. I just wonder if it would've been better to set it somewhere with familiar landmarks like, say, New York or Paris. Even if cliche.

...

i did not know that was meant to be vancouver.

[Akranadas]

The Angry One wrote...

Akranadas wrote...

Another issue with Earth was the lack of it looking like Earth, the end mission was in London so you had big ben and red phone boxes. But the beginning had nothing to tie modern Earth to future Earth.

Hm... does anyone think it was a mistake setting the intro in Vancouver?
I mean yeah BioWare's Canadian and all but for the rest of the world... there's not exactly any significant landmarks in Vancouver that stand out.
To me it was just a generic future city. I just wonder if it would've been better to set it somewhere with familiar landmarks like, say, New York or Paris. Even if cliche.

Any landmark that's known world wide would have done. Because it's hard to tell Earth from a cololy beyond the lack of prefab shelters everywhere.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I like the space opera idea of Mass Effect. Earth was too close to home, though. I see it all day. I rather escape to somewhere exotic.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 18 avril 2012 - 09:55 .

[The Angry One]

Lisylis wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Akranadas wrote...

Another issue with Earth was the lack of it looking like Earth, the end mission was in London so you had big ben and red phone boxes. But the beginning had nothing to tie modern Earth to future Earth.

Hm... does anyone think it was a mistake setting the intro in Vancouver?
I mean yeah BioWare's Canadian and all but for the rest of the world... there's not exactly any significant landmarks in Vancouver that stand out.
To me it was just a generic future city. I just wonder if it would've been better to set it somewhere with familiar landmarks like, say, New York or Paris. Even if cliche.

...

i did not know that was meant to be vancouver.

It says so in the save file. Yes, that's your only in game notification that it is in fact Vancouver.

The sad thing is if you have the CE artbook, it has a lovely painting of a shopping district in Vancouver. They could've used that, have a little gameplay in that area to get to know the place and see what gets lost.
You could run around the place, talk to people, even interact with THAT KID. Then, later you go there again after it's been destroyed.

Modifié par The Angry One, 18 avril 2012 - 09:59 .

[EnvyTB075]

I had no emotional attachment at all, mainly because its only ever been in one game, and was only in that game for around 30 minutes or so. You see practically NOTHING in the lead up, and all of a sudden you're meant to care as though its the most important thing in the world?

Hell, i had a bigger attachment to Palaven than Earth, and you never even go there (was hoping for a mission on Palaven itself, not Menae).

[tilusN7]

I think I read somewhere they wanted to do it in a harbour city which is fine. Personally I think they should have done Sydney, since it has some of the most recognisable harbour landmarks in the world. I am however a little biased

[wright1978]

Nope. They'd tried to force this canon connection upon Sheps who had 2 games of development and who had very different backgrounds. It really came off poorly and i personally just gritted my teeth and forced myself through the awful hamfisted moments.

[Lisylis]

tilusN7 wrote...

I think I read somewhere they wanted to do it in a harbour city which is fine. Personally I think they should have done Sydney, since it has some of the most recognisable harbour landmarks in the world. I am however a little biased

eet's so beeg

[Denethar]

Earth was the homeworld I felt least connected to sadly. Thessia was the real highlight there.

[Avatar231278]

As I haven't walked on ME Earth before ME3 and there I only witnessed some military politicians scared of Reapers, after they didn't do much to support me, I found it hard to find a connection. It would have done more if they put the scenario into a city everyone might recognize at once (say NY, LV, Rio de Jainero, Rome, Sydney or Cairo) and the Reapers leveling an important landmark (Empire State Building, Hoover Dam, Christo Redento, Colosseum, the Opera or the Pyramids) instead of showing me a kid I have never seen before, I don't know anything about, and shows up as the avowed enemy of storytelling in the end.

The time on Earth was simply too short and we didn't get much of life on it. I feel much more connected to the Citadel as the galactic hub, where we got 3 games of Mass Effect letting us explore different parts of it.

[FabricatedWookie]

I saw hints of this, but another way of making a strong connection to earth is not to have a ridiculously dialogue intensive opening. Why not let shep explore vancouver? Like an analog to ME1 citadel, get connected. Talk, do minor quests. Maybe that is something that has been feeling kind of off in ME3. Connections were previously established through interaction, and a lot of connections were imposed more cinematically. Or at least that is what it felt like.

Modifié par FabricatedWookie, 18 avril 2012 - 10:04 .