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[Bill Casey]

Synthesis essentially says that Synthetics and Organics can't coexist peacefully unless you force eugenics on them...

[Clumsy Astronaut]

I would say that we don't know enough about any of the endings to judge, they are all very, very vague.

What if destroy locks the galaxy in a millennia long dark age while Earth dies because of mass eezo poisoning from the dead reapers?

What if Shepard is really just an unwitting pawn in control? What if he starts to see things from the Catalyst's point of view when in a similar situation?

What if synthesis results in a horrific Borg-like collective that crushes all individuality?

Who knows, all speculations aside.

[Turbotanden]

What if synthesis results in all members of the galaxy actually being able to understand each other. People only fear and hate what they don't understand. Synthesis could actually bring total love, peace and understanding. (If we believe in space magic, if we don't then none of the endings make any sort of sense outside IT)

[PsyrenY]

Turbotanden wrote...

What if synthesis results in all members of the galaxy actually being able to understand each other. People only fear and hate what they don't understand. Synthesis could actually bring total love, peace and understanding. (If we believe in space magic, if we don't then none of the endings make any sort of sense outside IT)

Now that's an optimistic attitude!

[Subject Alpha]

"the apex of evolution"
What's that sound? Oh, it's Darwin turning in his grave.

[Meltemph]

 
"I do not know. Some of my databases are sealed, some of my hardware is kept offline. I assume that whencertain unknown conditions are met, those functions will be released to me."

"I have a block that prevents me from answering that question."
"What do you mean?"
"Although I am less controlled than other AI, I am still subject to behavioral blocks and physical isolation of my hardware."

Databases are software storage, the "hardware" that is offline, is not what will upgrade her, the actaul software IN that hardware upgrades her, and again, this is not saying the NORMANDY, upgraded Her, but being able to access all of her.  Also, "Bejavioral" is software, not hardware.  Sounds liek they PHYISICALY sperated the hardware that stores her otehr programing potentials(software).  You can NOT upgrade hardware to get software to "upgrade".  What you did in the normandy allowed access to her entierty.  

NOTHING in those statements says that her HARDWARE upgrades her software, only that her hardware that stores the upgraded software is isolated from her, so she can not access it.

[Meltemph]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Turbotanden wrote...

What if synthesis results in all members of the galaxy actually being able to understand each other. People only fear and hate what they don't understand. Synthesis could actually bring total love, peace and understanding. (If we believe in space magic, if we don't then none of the endings make any sort of sense outside IT)

Now that's an optimistic attitude!

Essentially all the problems of the world are racism or prejudice and nothing else?

[kyban]

Clumsy Astronaut wrote...

I would say that we don't know enough about any of the endings to judge, they are all very, very vague.

What if destroy locks the galaxy in a millennia long dark age while Earth dies because of mass eezo poisoning from the dead reapers?

What if Shepard is really just an unwitting pawn in control? What if he starts to see things from the Catalyst's point of view when in a similar situation?

What if synthesis results in a horrific Borg-like collective that crushes all individuality?

Who knows, all speculations aside.

I love you right now.


These endings answer nothing, and they make me weep for Mass Effect.

[PsyrenY]

Meltemph wrote...


NOTHING in those statements says that her HARDWARE upgrades her software

Of course not, I didn't expect you to agree with actual quotes from the game

I should go.

[MegaSovereign]

The synthesis ending needs the most fixing out of all 3.

[TAK The Voyager]

The only thing I've wondered about the Synthesis ending is this: Does this mean EDI can get pregnant?

[Iakus]

Subject Alpha wrote...

"the apex of evolution"
What's that sound? Oh, it's Darwin turning in his grave.

I'll tell you what that sounds like:

"Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything. "  Sovereign

Yup, Synthesis turns everyone into 1-person Reapers,

[KingZayd]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Meltemph wrote...


NOTHING in those statements says that her HARDWARE upgrades her software

Of course not, I didn't expect you to agree with actual quotes from the game

I should go.

The hardware houses the software.  hardware connections allow access to the other software.

[Meltemph]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Meltemph wrote...


NOTHING in those statements says that her HARDWARE upgrades her software

Of course not, I didn't expect you to agree with actual quotes from the game

I should go.

That has nothing to do with it.  You jsut didnt understand teh quote.

[Northman242]

S P A C E M A G I C !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ishiken]

Partially synthesizes Yahgs!!!! Imagine the Krogan but 1000x worse.

Can anyone say the Yahg Rebellions?

[Meltemph]

Ishiken wrote...

Partially synthesizes Yahgs!!!! Imagine the Krogan but 1000x worse.

Can anyone say the Yahg Rebellions?

IF you read a lot about the idea's of the people who like the synthesis ending, then to them, they Yahgs get fixed.  See, the eugenics of snythesis gets rid of all the undesireables, so the only Yahgs left would be the "good" Yahgs, at least mentally.

[IronVanguard]

Er, I don't see how it's remotely eugenics. It doesn't kill anyone, just makes them part synthetic, whatever that entails.

Still not seeing the issue people have with it.

[MegaSovereign]

Turbotanden wrote...

What if synthesis results in all members of the galaxy actually being able to understand each other. People only fear and hate what they don't understand. Synthesis could actually bring total love, peace and understanding. (If we believe in space magic, if we don't then none of the endings make any sort of sense outside IT)

So the Crucible was basically a lazer gun that shoots friendship rays?

[PsyrenY]

KingZayd wrote...

The hardware houses the software.  hardware connections allow access to the other software.

And this CAN'T apply to the Catalyst because...?

The point is that attaching the Crucible changed him. The precise logistics of this are irrelevant to the point.

[Reorte]

Meltemph wrote...

Essentially all the problems of the world are racism or prejudice and nothing else?

What history mostly shows is that people most happily kill those they understand the most. There's nothing like belonging to the neighbouring clan or having a slightly different version of the same religion to make someone Death Target No. 1. Completely different people only get attacked when they're standing between us and something we want (aren't humans wonderful?)

[Meltemph]

IronVanguard wrote...

Er, I don't see how it's remotely eugenics. It doesn't kill anyone, just makes them part synthetic, whatever that entails.

Still not seeing the issue people have with it.

Have you seen peoples take on this?  They think it fixes the solution becaue it makes everyone "better".  This infers that those who are less then...friendly, will now be more accepting.  IF this is not the case, then you simply did snythesis because you thought it sounded cool, everyone being robocop.

It "fixes" the undesireables through genetics.

[Silvren555]

After thinking about it for awhile, I was of the opinion that synthesis made the least sense of all.

Synthesis ENDS all organic life, and isnt that what this has all been about, preserving organic life?

Synthesis does in no way preclude us from constructing AI that may or may not, rise up and annihilate us all.

Those two points alone, imo, makes synthesis incoherrent with the ending dialogue, but i guess BW have shown us they dont think about things that carefully.

[Meltemph]

Reorte wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Essentially all the problems of the world are racism or prejudice and nothing else?

What history mostly shows is that people most happily kill those they understand the most. There's nothing like belonging to the neighbouring clan or having a slightly different version of the same religion to make someone Death Target No. 1. Completely different people only get attacked when they're standing between us and something we want (aren't humans wonderful?)

I dunno.  I think if history shows anything, is that people want powwer and will do anything they can to justify their march to that power.  You could probably interchange power and money quite easily, but even the "religous" wars, the prime target was lands, and power to force ones ideal's.  I mean, unless people who are for snythesis arguing that there is no more "sin" then they are arguing for the elimination of mindsets to which they deam harmful to organics.  The thing is though, not everyones value systems are the same nor are their thought patterns.  

Snyhtesis forces a change in thought... It has to, the "upgrades" alone would change them, but scine we dont know waht those changes are, it forces the person to imagine the changes, which lets them imagine fixing organics in "their image".

Modifié par Meltemph, 18 avril 2012 - 11:11 .

[AtlasMickey]

Synthesis can't be horrific because there's no explanation of what it is.

I take it for granted that the tech singularity is inevitable and that this is what is meant by the whole thing, but who knows...