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Exousia001

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Her face doesn't look right. I didn't imagine it to be like that at all when I look at her outlines of her nose and cheeks through her helm... It really did feel like some kind of side thing that they tacked on.

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Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Excerpt from Final Hours:

"...In this case it's the trilogy that's ending, and Casey Hudson doesn't want to be the guy who forgot to wrap up a plot line that fans want to see resolved."

Omfg....faceplam

Well seems like Hudson screwed the Varen there

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Laurencio wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Laurencio wrote...


They tried to listen to fan feedback, which had fans pretty split in wanting to see it or not. For me that picture is about as revealing as a picture of a space hamster. It lasts for 4 seconds, and it has a different texture than any of the other pictures of character models, making it easier to flat out ignore the "reveal" as nothing more than a drawing or artistic rendering Shepard picked up.

No, that's really just bullpoop.

Either you don't show it (fine), or you do it properly and model her (fine). What you don't do is put the least possible amount of effort in and still reveal her. That's the worst of both worlds.

It's not good in any reality. Please check yourself :happy:


Even if  they had opted to not show it,  that would undoubtly caused some fury as well. As would having it revealed in game, with some sort of 3D model that most people would probably hate. They were never going to get this one right.


I agree that there was no way for fans to be totally happy about what they did here. However, they DID make a half arsed effort, and it WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE NOTICED.

The traded offending some of the fanbase for offending as much of it as possible.

Tell you one thing, ME3 was unforgettable, since it's going to be a prime example of sequelitis on a grand scale. Yes, the gameplay was much improved, but there are better games out there based wholly on gameplay and the core strength of the series was always the storytelling skill of it's large team of writers, the relevance of choice, it's teams attention to detail/quality control and expansiveness of the setting.

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Exousia001 wrote...

Her face doesn't look right. I didn't imagine it to be like that at all when I look at her outlines of her nose and cheeks through her helm... It really did feel like some kind of side thing that they tacked on.


It doesn't look right because they didn't even pretend to base the picture they used (a public domain photo of a real person they photoshopped half-assedly) on tali's placeholder face.

I can understand not strictly adhering to the placeholder face, it was restricting, but the way they handled it was just awful.

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It's too bad there won't be a ME 3.5 [subtitle: The Way it Should Have Been] :(

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Tali: Not important enough to have face model. Could have have scanned Liz Sroka's face...she does the voice for crying out loud!
But, nooooo!
we got stuck with some IGN reporter, who they wasted resources on.
And her neck look funny. Like dinosaur funny. I'm talkin'....Littlefoot from the Land Before Time funny. SMH

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... interesting
... the more I get about this two guys, the more I dislike them.

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High Kicks wrote...

Tali: Not important enough to have face model. Could have have scanned Liz Sroka's face...she does the voice for crying out loud!
But, nooooo!
we got stuck with some IGN reporter, who they wasted resources on.
And her neck look funny. Like dinosaur funny. I'm talkin'....Littlefoot from the Land Before Time funny. SMH


F**k!! I just googled her (Liz) cause I didn't knew what she looked like and..... BAM , friggin blown away! She looks amazing!! And what do we get? A stock photo and Jessica the friggin Choboter..... damn bioware must hate it's Fans soo much..... 

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I'd rather see Casey Hudson and Mac Walters jobless than to have anything else to do with Mass Effect ever again.

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Casey & Mac, Really guys were you drinking that night? Its either that or the amount of BS your saying is getting biblical. I really believe its the latter.

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They are idiots. I didn't romance Tali but even I wanted to see her face. So they are saying I had to romance Tali through 2 games to get a glimpse of her [sarcasm] "face" [/sarcasm]. Really? Are you idiots? Tali revealing her face could have been done so subtly without ruining the character. Perhaps after Rannoch, when she even TAKES OFF her mask, the camera pans out and you see her face? Didn't want to ruin the mystery? More like, we were too lazy.

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This comment is taken from YouTube:

"Yeah, because putting in a deformed model of an IGN skank and dressing her like a prostitute was totally more valuable time-wise then showing Tali's face."

Edit:

This image below is a better effort then what BioWare done.

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For those wondering, that is Tali'Zorah's voice actor, Liz Sroka, in there.

Modifié par Vespervin, 19 avril 2012 - 07:45 .


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They need to keep the mystery alive... in order to sell more Mass Effect games $$$

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Take Back Tali's Face DLC.

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Necroscope

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Bumpity bump.

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SovereignX6

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Damn it Bioware. Your failing...

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DranakShadow

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People would be unhappy no matter what, what with all the 'awesome' fan-made Quarian's out there.

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Well, they're taking this route out of compassion for us. They're concerned about our welfare. See, if they just came out and said "Hell, guys, we ran out of time and money, sorry" then a huge number of people would just drop over dead from shock. So instead they provide us with the usual non-apology tub of rationalizations we've come to expect. And really, do we really want those hipwaders we bought to read their responses to go to unused?

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DranakShadow wrote...

People would be unhappy no matter what, what with all the 'awesome' fan-made Quarian's out there.

I heard this "logic", but about the ending: "People would be unhappy no matter what, so lets do the worst  possible job".

Modifié par omskman, 19 avril 2012 - 09:48 .


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omskman wrote...

DranakShadow wrote...

People would be unhappy no matter what, what with all the 'awesome' fan-made Quarian's out there.

I heard this "logic", but about the ending: "People would be unhappy no matter what, so lets do the worst  possible job".

Yes, because comparing the ending with something only a small handful of people would have seen is the right way to compare things.

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Tali's face is so badly done it's just offensive, and their justification for it, in this vid and at PAX, mindboggling...

It's so bad that (for me anyways) it doesn't even compute, when I see the picture, I see a human with a 5 min phtoshop deal (even has a nice lens flare) it doesn't register in my brain as a representation of Tali, but the act of adding it like this  is infuriatingly cheap.

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DranakShadow wrote...

Yes, because comparing the ending with something only a small handful of people would have seen is the right way to compare things.


It's revealing the face of an entire species that has been masked for three games now.

I kinda expect a little more effort put into it. Especially if you are going to model another character after a videogame journalist, or model another character stark naked.

But maybe I just have low tolerance for laziness.

Modifié par Sparatus, 19 avril 2012 - 10:32 .


#348
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DranakShadow wrote...

omskman wrote...

DranakShadow wrote...

People would be unhappy no matter what, what with all the 'awesome' fan-made Quarian's out there.

I heard this "logic", but about the ending: "People would be unhappy no matter what, so lets do the worst  possible job".

Yes, because comparing the ending with something only a small handful of people would have seen is the right way to compare things.

I'd say it's fair in that, it's such an incredibly cheap way to go about something, that it lends credence to other things, the lacking quality of the final London mission, and the spiraling depression that follows (aka the ending).

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DranakShadow wrote...

omskman wrote...

DranakShadow wrote...

People would be unhappy no matter what, what with all the 'awesome' fan-made Quarian's out there.

I heard this "logic", but about the ending: "People would be unhappy no matter what, so lets do the worst  possible job".

Yes, because comparing the ending with something only a small handful of people would have seen is the right way to compare things.


God Bioware ahs created a monstrosity of a fanbase. You people are all way too negative and needy. People would have been upset no matter what these guys did. Sure, the stock photo was not the best thing I had hoped for. I wanted to see her face in-game, but the world is not over.

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If they wanted it to be a mystery, why even try to make a photoshopped picture? I'd rather there be no face shown than one I can make in about 2 hours (I'm not the greatest at photoshop).