It's like they were afraid of fallout over her face. Even if they used Miss England 2005 as the model and actually put her face in game w/ a big, emotional reveal at the end of the Rannoch mission people would still beeyach about it. So rather than do what they really should have done, they pretty much just slid it across the table at us and walked away before they could see our reaction.
Casey and Mac talk about Tali's face
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#127
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:36
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lillitheris wrote...
No, that's really just bullpoop.Laurencio wrote...
They tried to listen to fan feedback, which had fans pretty split in wanting to see it or not. For me that picture is about as revealing as a picture of a space hamster. It lasts for 4 seconds, and it has a different texture than any of the other pictures of character models, making it easier to flat out ignore the "reveal" as nothing more than a drawing or artistic rendering Shepard picked up.
Either you don't show it (fine), or you do it properly and model her (fine). What you don't do is put the least possible amount of effort in and still reveal her. That's the worst of both worlds.
It's not good in any reality. Please check yourself :happy:
Even if they had opted to not show it, that would undoubtly caused some fury as well. As would having it revealed in game, with some sort of 3D model that most people would probably hate. They were never going to get this one right.
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#128
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:36
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The Angry One wrote...
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The fact that you can justify putting the time and resources into Diana Allers and not take the time and effort for Tali is just flat out awful. AWFUL.
Well, Tali won't guarantee support from IGN.
After Newscorp deleted messages from a dead girl's hacked voicemail so they could get more headlines and soundbites, I'm really surprised EA was willing to do business with anyone from there. I mean there's evil, and then there's THAT. And I am totally fine with guilt bya ssociation at this point. There's a reason why you can go to jail in Germany for wearing a swaztika for any purpose other than a WWII film that you die in.
#129
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:37
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Warp92 wrote...
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I LOVE the top comment on that video...
So do I. Casey preaches to be in touch with the fans but from what I've seen... that is a complete lie.
I found this earlier.
#130
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:37
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Nightwriter wrote...
But what is the point of having hair if you're a quarian? You'll never see it. Neither will anyone else. You'll rarely brush it. It will only stay in your helmet getting matted and tangled.
Do you have any idea how much work it would take to remove the hair from that photo? It's way beyond that department's image editing skills.
#131
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:38
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Take your beret off, douchebag. You aren't a good or creative writer.
#132
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:38
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Nightwriter wrote...
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It's the hair. It's that hair. I'm just like... what? Seriously? You're giving her hair like that? I don't even... what?
Why would a species that has spent 300 years sticking its head in a helmet even have hair? Wouldn't it get really sweaty and hot and create hygiene problems?
eww... so true.... eww
#133
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:40
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I feel like every single entity in the universe is laughing at masseffect fans right now. To that end:
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:40
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psrz wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
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It's the hair. It's that hair. I'm just like... what? Seriously? You're giving her hair like that? I don't even... what?
Why would a species that has spent 300 years sticking its head in a helmet even have hair? Wouldn't it get really sweaty and hot and create hygiene problems?
eww... so true.... eww
Maybe the humans have special tech so it doesn't get sweaty.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:44
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Top Youtube comment: "**** you Casey". Hahahaha, ouch.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:46
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[quote]Nightwriter wrote...
Nah. They probably have some cleaning protocol thing in their suits w/ Pantene.[/quote]
But what is the point of having hair if you're a quarian? You'll never see it. Neither will anyone else. You'll rarely brush it. It will only stay in your helmet getting matted and tangled.
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Yeah, I agree about the hair. I don't mind them having it, but I guess I assumed if they did have it they would keep it a little shorter just out of comfort and hygiene purposes.
I like this fanart, which does give Tali some hair, but it looks fairly wispy and maybe a bit matted.
I have hair as long as the model they used for Tali and it is a pain in the ass to deal with when I'm just wearing it naturally. I can't imagine how obnoxious it would be if I had to keep it inside a helmet 24/7. Makes my scalp hurt just thinking about it.
Nah. They probably have some cleaning protocol thing in their suits w/ Pantene.[/quote]
But what is the point of having hair if you're a quarian? You'll never see it. Neither will anyone else. You'll rarely brush it. It will only stay in your helmet getting matted and tangled.
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Yeah, I agree about the hair. I don't mind them having it, but I guess I assumed if they did have it they would keep it a little shorter just out of comfort and hygiene purposes.
I like this fanart, which does give Tali some hair, but it looks fairly wispy and maybe a bit matted.
I have hair as long as the model they used for Tali and it is a pain in the ass to deal with when I'm just wearing it naturally. I can't imagine how obnoxious it would be if I had to keep it inside a helmet 24/7. Makes my scalp hurt just thinking about it.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:48
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So, they didn't want to show Tali's face, something everyone in the world wanted, but they show us the reapers simplistic logic right away, when it would be better just leave that unwansered (since it was always said that we couldnt understand their logic)
#138
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:49
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[quote]Terraforming2154 wrote...
[quote]Nightwriter wrote...
Nah. They probably have some cleaning protocol thing in their suits w/ Pantene.[/quote]
But what is the point of having hair if you're a quarian? You'll never see it. Neither will anyone else. You'll rarely brush it. It will only stay in your helmet getting matted and tangled.
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Yeah, I agree about the hair.
I like this fanart, which does give Tali some hair, but it looks fairly wispy and maybe a bit matted.
I have hair as long as the model they used for Tali and it is a pain in the ass to deal with when I'm just wearing it naturally. I can't imagine how obnoxious it would be if I had to keep it inside a helmet 24/7. Makes my scalp hurt just thinking about it.
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300 years isn't long enough for hair to dissapear due to evoltuion, it's like 10 generations; they might shave their heads but they've spent the vast majority of their evolutionary history without helmets on so there's no reason to assume "there's no reason for them to have hair".
There's no reason for human eyes to be structured the way they are, or for the recurrent laryngeal nerve, etc, etc. they're all evolutionary hold overs.
[quote]Nightwriter wrote...
Nah. They probably have some cleaning protocol thing in their suits w/ Pantene.[/quote]
But what is the point of having hair if you're a quarian? You'll never see it. Neither will anyone else. You'll rarely brush it. It will only stay in your helmet getting matted and tangled.
[/quote]
Yeah, I agree about the hair.
I like this fanart, which does give Tali some hair, but it looks fairly wispy and maybe a bit matted.
I have hair as long as the model they used for Tali and it is a pain in the ass to deal with when I'm just wearing it naturally. I can't imagine how obnoxious it would be if I had to keep it inside a helmet 24/7. Makes my scalp hurt just thinking about it.
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300 years isn't long enough for hair to dissapear due to evoltuion, it's like 10 generations; they might shave their heads but they've spent the vast majority of their evolutionary history without helmets on so there's no reason to assume "there's no reason for them to have hair".
There's no reason for human eyes to be structured the way they are, or for the recurrent laryngeal nerve, etc, etc. they're all evolutionary hold overs.
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#139
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:50
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The hair actually makes sense IMO. I mean look at her helmet. Specifically the area around the back of the neck. It's a cloth like material that bulges out in the shape of hair. I always assumed it was because she had a bunch of hair under there.
I mean they shouldn't have hair because they are in their suits all the time? Really?
With that logic they shouldn't have skin or eyelids either.
I actually like the face they chose for her. It came pretty close to how I always imagined her looking. I do however think that it's utter bull**** they didn't model her face. Almost as dumb as showing the quarians in their suits in the holo recordings during the VR mission.
"Because that's how Shepard pictured them in his mind..." You mean to tell me Shepard has never seen a Quarian outside of their suit? I know for a fact mine had because he romanced Tali FFS. Also what? Is there no internet in the future? Shepard at no point in his life went to Space Google to run an image search on Quarians? <_<
EDIT: Before I get blown up, I realize you probably meant there is no cosmetic reason to have hair as a Quarian. Fair enough, I suppose your are correct in that regard. However seeing as how they are inside their suits all the time you have to imagine they don't get a chance to cut it very often.
I mean they shouldn't have hair because they are in their suits all the time? Really?
With that logic they shouldn't have skin or eyelids either.
I actually like the face they chose for her. It came pretty close to how I always imagined her looking. I do however think that it's utter bull**** they didn't model her face. Almost as dumb as showing the quarians in their suits in the holo recordings during the VR mission.
"Because that's how Shepard pictured them in his mind..." You mean to tell me Shepard has never seen a Quarian outside of their suit? I know for a fact mine had because he romanced Tali FFS. Also what? Is there no internet in the future? Shepard at no point in his life went to Space Google to run an image search on Quarians? <_<
EDIT: Before I get blown up, I realize you probably meant there is no cosmetic reason to have hair as a Quarian. Fair enough, I suppose your are correct in that regard. However seeing as how they are inside their suits all the time you have to imagine they don't get a chance to cut it very often.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:52
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Modifié par celuloid, 18 avril 2012 - 05:53 .
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:54
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Casey Hudson is pretty much entirely out of touch with the entire ME franchise. He thought that putting in a slightly modified stock photo would suffice for "seeing Tali". He thought that everyone, irrespective of how they had played ME1/ME2, would want the same ending. He thought using a single, one-dimensional number would somehow capture the effect of past decisions. He thought that no one wanted to see what happened after vent-boy's choices.
In how many ways can this guy be completely out of touch with the customers expectations? Its hardly like any of these expectations were secrets. They had all been discussed ad-nauseam in the forums prior to ME3. I can only assume that he never read any of them or put his own ego ahead of any contradictory evidence.
It hardly takes a rocket scientist to realize that ME3 had to have several thematically distinct conclusions if it was going to serve as the end to a series whose mantra was "player-directed-plot". Building a game with a singular ending demonstrated a complete lack of understanding regarding the diversity that ME1/ME2 had intentionally created.
And how many posts have there been over the years about customers wanting to be able to play through an epilogue where they get to settle down with their LI? Its hardly like that expectation was a surprise...
In how many ways can this guy be completely out of touch with the customers expectations? Its hardly like any of these expectations were secrets. They had all been discussed ad-nauseam in the forums prior to ME3. I can only assume that he never read any of them or put his own ego ahead of any contradictory evidence.
It hardly takes a rocket scientist to realize that ME3 had to have several thematically distinct conclusions if it was going to serve as the end to a series whose mantra was "player-directed-plot". Building a game with a singular ending demonstrated a complete lack of understanding regarding the diversity that ME1/ME2 had intentionally created.
And how many posts have there been over the years about customers wanting to be able to play through an epilogue where they get to settle down with their LI? Its hardly like that expectation was a surprise...
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:54
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I'm not even a talimancer but that video irks me, the photo idea was slapdash at best, either they should have left her as a mystery or did her model properly for a true reveal, the trouble with that photo is it's now bloody canon.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:56
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celuloid, I suggest removing the image, they ban for profanity whether it's text or image.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 05:57
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Should have zoomed in on the top comments.celuloid wrote...
#145
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 06:00
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Laurencio wrote...
lillitheris wrote...
No, that's really just bullpoop.Laurencio wrote...
They tried to listen to fan feedback, which had fans pretty split in wanting to see it or not. For me that picture is about as revealing as a picture of a space hamster. It lasts for 4 seconds, and it has a different texture than any of the other pictures of character models, making it easier to flat out ignore the "reveal" as nothing more than a drawing or artistic rendering Shepard picked up.
Either you don't show it (fine), or you do it properly and model her (fine). What you don't do is put the least possible amount of effort in and still reveal her. That's the worst of both worlds.
It's not good in any reality. Please check yourself :happy:
Even if they had opted to not show it, that would undoubtly caused some fury as well. As would having it revealed in game, with some sort of 3D model that most people would probably hate. They were never going to get this one right.
Yes. Instead of pissing off 50%, they decided to go for the touchdown and anger everybody. Nicely done.
No. It doesn't make any sense. They screwed up, royally. There's no defense for this.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 06:01
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Dark_Caduceus wrote...
Top Youtube comment: "**** you Casey". Hahahaha, ouch.
it only had about 60 likes a half hour ago
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 06:02
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DJBare wrote...
I'm not even a talimancer but that video irks me, the photo idea was slapdash at best, either they should have left her as a mystery or did her model properly for a true reveal, the trouble with that photo is it's now bloody canon.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 06:04
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Well, if this is really what they think rather than some PR bs to cover the fact they didn't want to spend time and resources - then I completely understand why they gave us the ending they did.
Out of touch much?
Out of touch much?
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 06:08
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I wonder if BW ran out of time / resources and EA PR is making them spin things???
IMHO I think the scene on Rannoch where Tali takes off her mask is tailor-made for a reveal. However my guess is BW ran out of time / resources and just gave fans what they could as quickly as possible.
If folks would just stop the PR-bullcr@p I would be a lot less mad about everything that's going on.
IMHO I think the scene on Rannoch where Tali takes off her mask is tailor-made for a reveal. However my guess is BW ran out of time / resources and just gave fans what they could as quickly as possible.
If folks would just stop the PR-bullcr@p I would be a lot less mad about everything that's going on.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 06:09
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Those guys are waaaay to high there, they should never have been involved in the process of decision making.
