500 réponses à ce sujet

[KillerHappyFace]

dminto29 wrote...

That sounds plausible and is almost exactly the kind of underwhelming thing I expected as soon as they said extended cut and used the word closure. Ergo no real changes your choices still don't matter enjoy the really bad now slightly longer ending oh and you are now a legend buy more dlc...

Bioware employees replied to this thread already, you should probably click on the "Bioware" logo below the thread title to see what they've said.

th;dd: It's a faaaake.

By re-using assets, it would be easy for them to slap together exactly what the 'leak' described within a month. Given that this is fake, and that the release is sometime during summer, I actually have hope that something significant will be added/changed with the ending.

Now, whether that significant thing will be enough to improve the ending, we can only guess.

[RiouHotaru]

Ubergrog wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Don't worry. This is not legit. In fact, we aren't yet at a state in production where mr "art monkey" could even see what he is describing.

How are we supposed to believe you? The described scenareo sounds exactly like something the fools who made the current ending would do.

Why am I so skeptical? These same people lied to the fans, we have recorded and timestamped moments of direct (and BBB certified) dishonesty to the consumer...

Your company LIED to us, and you have done nothing to rebuild support with your players. Until shuch time as you give me a reason, I will assume the worst.

Oh boy, here we go once again.  "The company lied!"  and "False advertising!".

If it weren't for the MP board being the ONLY place where I can actually have a decent discussion I'd just stop coming here altogether.

[wantedman dan]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

If you mean what I think you mean and you are implying I'm blindly siding with Gamble, then all I'll ask you is what does he stand to gain by lying?

If it was paid DLC I could understand a hush up on details to preserve sales. But its not. Its a free DLC. So I ask again why bother lying?

What did they gain from lying the first time around?

[RiouHotaru]

Torrible wrote...

How to be pathetic:

Step 1: Constantly cry for attention. "Why the radio silence? Why not talk to us?"
Step 2: Wait impatiently for any response from the devs. If there is a response, move to step 3. Otherwise repeat step 1.
Step 3: Accuse dev of lying and cry more about being emotionally and psychologically hurt.

Disclaimer: The above may not apply to you. If it does, feel free to flame me.

Seriously, this whole "You've wounded us!  Our trust is utterly destroyed!" is just such BS.

[sAxMoNkI]

wantedman dan wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

If you mean what I think you mean and you are implying I'm blindly siding with Gamble, then all I'll ask you is what does he stand to gain by lying?

If it was paid DLC I could understand a hush up on details to preserve sales. But its not. Its a free DLC. So I ask again why bother lying?

What did they gain from lying the first time around?

Errr...millions of pre-orders resulting in veeery large profits?
Like I said if this DLC wasn't free then I would be skeptical. But like I also said it isn't, therefore there is no incentive on Gamble's part to lie.

[AvagerShepard]

wantedman dan wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

If you mean what I think you mean and you are implying I'm blindly siding with Gamble, then all I'll ask you is what does he stand to gain by lying?

If it was paid DLC I could understand a hush up on details to preserve sales. But its not. Its a free DLC. So I ask again why bother lying?

What did they gain from lying the first time around?

THIS. 

But still, I take that as a positive sign when a developer says something like that. Though, BW doesn't have my trust right now and as well as it could be bull**** it could be true. 

[RiouHotaru]

wantedman dan wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

If you mean what I think you mean and you are implying I'm blindly siding with Gamble, then all I'll ask you is what does he stand to gain by lying?

If it was paid DLC I could understand a hush up on details to preserve sales. But its not. Its a free DLC. So I ask again why bother lying?

What did they gain from lying the first time around?

Nothing.  They didn't gain a thing.

They made some claims during developments.  But besides the A/B/C ending promise (which wasn't a lie, but that's a difference of interpretation), I don't recall anything specific that they "lied" about, because I don't remember promises being made.

Well, unless you were one of the folks who took their claims and interpreted them to mean something wildly different.  Victim of hype.

[Vasparian]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Ubergrog wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Don't worry. This is not legit. In fact, we aren't yet at a state in production where mr "art monkey" could even see what he is describing.

How are we supposed to believe you? The described scenareo sounds exactly like something the fools who made the current ending would do.

Why am I so skeptical? These same people lied to the fans, we have recorded and timestamped moments of direct (and BBB certified) dishonesty to the consumer...

Your company LIED to us, and you have done nothing to rebuild support with your players. Until shuch time as you give me a reason, I will assume the worst.

Oh boy, here we go once again.  "The company lied!"  and "False advertising!".

If it weren't for the MP board being the ONLY place where I can actually have a decent discussion I'd just stop coming here altogether.

It's because they did lie. Get a clue.

[Kalundume]

whether it is fake or not, the idea that "synthesis" ending is the best ... is very bad idea, I hope that BW already had understood that.

[RiouHotaru]

Vasparian wrote...

It's because they did lie. Get a clue.

I've seen the threads.  I've also seen that people interepreted their statements to mean something the fans wanted to believe.  When those beliefs weren't validated, they feel they've been lied to.

[Ansible]

Okay, wait a second...

If this is true;
1. Solves nothing.

2. Jessica Merizan's "Shepard can be united with crew again" tweet bull****, as well as plenty of other tweets about explaining how your crew got on the Normandy and such.

This seems like something BioWare would do, sure, but I have trouble believing BioWare would dig themselves into another hole of lies.

It's like the first ending all over again, really.

[clos]

That sounds as appetizing as a giant kick to the ****** while spread eagled.

If that ending is true I would call it a huge piece of turd ending.

[RiouHotaru]

Sparatus wrote...

4chan needs to do more ridiculous ones like that Advent one. It was so obviously fake and people still believed it

Seriously.  People will swallow anything these days now.  No one has any sort of integrity.

[Mallissin]

I am going to be disappointed, no matter what, methinks.

[kidbd15]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Don't worry. This is not legit. In fact, we aren't yet at a state in production where mr "art monkey" could even see what he is describing.

lol... so, what this means is that the "leak" could still be true, because Mr. Gamble hasn't been the most reliable of sources (*cough* pre-release quotes *cough*)

[sAxMoNkI]

kidbd15 wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Don't worry. This is not legit. In fact, we aren't yet at a state in production where mr "art monkey" could even see what he is describing.

lol... so, what this means is that the "leak" could still be true, because Mr. Gamble hasn't been the most reliable of sources (*cough* pre-release quotes *cough*)

Why would he lie about the contents of a *FREE* DLC? If there was money involved I'd be cynical but there is no financial incentive for Bioware here therefore no money to lose out on if content is leaked early. Therefore he is merely dismissing a RUMOUR to ease an already on edge fanbase!

[Mad-Hamlet]

If this is what they plan....

Man, the frakplosion of wimpout will echoed in the testicles for generations to come.

Vasparian wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Ubergrog wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Don't
worry. This is not legit. In fact, we aren't yet at a state in
production where mr "art monkey" could even see what he is
describing.

How are we supposed to believe you? The
described scenareo sounds exactly like something the fools who made the
current ending would do.

Why am I so skeptical? These same
people lied to the fans, we have recorded and timestamped moments of
direct (and BBB certified) dishonesty to the consumer...

Your
company LIED to us, and you have done nothing to rebuild support with
your players. Until shuch time as you give me a reason, I will assume
the worst.

Oh boy, here we go once again.  "The company lied!"  and "False advertising!".

If
it weren't for the MP board being the ONLY place where I can actually
have a decent discussion I'd just stop coming here altogether.

It's because they did lie. Get a clue.

I'm with Ubergrog. The creative process behind the ending was of such epic...jesus christ...I've lived pretty long and been involved in storytelling in one way or another my entire life and I have never, ever seen such utter, clear, deliberate betrayal of a story for the sake of 'depth'.

This entire saga was unique, gifted, breathtakeing, invigorating ...it was ALIVE. Then it was decided to throw that all away in a mad fit of Joseph Cambell Fanboygasms.

And if my reasoning is flawed, that it wasn't depth that sired this metaphorical-gene-frakked abortion of a conclusion than what was it? Since no official communication has clarified anything the trust, the comeraraderie I felt for Bioware is gone.

Oh, I'm willing to see what the DLC has and I won't jump on any knee-jerk reactionary 'It's going to suck' bandwagons but at the same time I'll not be lured into believing 'we say so' counterpoint. What really kills me is I very much still WANT to like Bioware.

I have zero interest in Bethseda's work, or CD Projekt Red. Don't even get me started on SquareEnix....
Dammit, you people made worlds that were alive, not just some virtual enviroment with weather effects.

Modifié par Mad-Hamlet, 18 avril 2012 - 10:36 .

[wantedman dan]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Errr...millions of pre-orders resulting in veeery large profits?
Like I said if this DLC wasn't free then I would be skeptical. But like I also said it isn't, therefore there is no incentive on Gamble's part to lie.

And a pissed off fanbase resulting in direct revolution that MADE Extended Cut free.

You're being far too short-sighted. That same short-sightedness is the same that caused this very debacle.

[wantedman dan]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Nothing.  They didn't gain a thing.

They made some claims during developments.  But besides the A/B/C ending promise (which wasn't a lie, but that's a difference of interpretation), I don't recall anything specific that they "lied" about, because I don't remember promises being made.

Well, unless you were one of the folks who took their claims and interpreted them to mean something wildly different.  Victim of hype.

Semantics are just as important as the inferred meaning.

[wantedman dan]

AvagerShepard wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

If you mean what I think you mean and you are implying I'm blindly siding with Gamble, then all I'll ask you is what does he stand to gain by lying?

If it was paid DLC I could understand a hush up on details to preserve sales. But its not. Its a free DLC. So I ask again why bother lying?

What did they gain from lying the first time around?

THIS. 

But still, I take that as a positive sign when a developer says something like that. Though, BW doesn't have my trust right now and as well as it could be bull**** it could be true. 

It could be, and I'm not denying that. But, I'm not going to believe them until they prove it.

[Computron2000]

sAxMoNkI wrote...
Why would he lie about the contents of a *FREE* DLC? If there was money involved I'd be cynical but there is no financial incentive for Bioware here therefore no money to lose out on if content is leaked early. Therefore he is merely dismissing a RUMOUR to ease an already on edge fanbase!

As i previously mentioned, i believe neither until the thing is done. However you keep asking for a benefit then let me suggest you a possible benefit. It can be simply to extend the time frame to let people get over it and to keep any further negative PR to a minimum. As the saying goes, time heals all wounds and that includes unhappiness about the ending. By the time the extended dlc rolls around, there will not be such a large reaction because many people will be meh about the situation. There are more obvious benefits to not having further negative PR (less review bombing, less bad word of mouth, less appearing in the news, etc) which will help the next release from being infected by the negativity. 

Of course i am not saying the above is definitely true but it is the possible benefit you are seeking.

[wantedman dan]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Why would he lie about the contents of a *FREE* DLC? If there was money involved I'd be cynical but there is no financial incentive for Bioware here therefore no money to lose out on if content is leaked early. Therefore he is merely dismissing a RUMOUR to ease an already on edge fanbase!

Do you not believe that your present actions have ramifications on the future?

[Eain]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Vasparian wrote...

It's because they did lie. Get a clue.

I've seen the threads.  I've also seen that people interepreted their statements to mean something the fans wanted to believe.  When those beliefs weren't validated, they feel they've been lied to.

No, they pretty much flat out lied. When you say you're not giving a game an ABC ending, and proceed to give it an ABC ending that's a direct imitation of Deus Ex, that's a lie. When you say that the Reapers can win, that's a lie. When you say that you can get the Shepard lives ending without playing multiplayer, that's a lie. It's also a lie when you say that the Rachni have a huge influence in the final battle a week before the game hits the stores, and it's a lie when you say that you would never force players to get the same ending is everyone, only to give them the same ending as everyone.

So yes, these are all lies, and the fact that you disagree really only means that you're the sort of customer companies would love to have.

Mike Gamble, Casey Hudson and Mac Walters have not spoken a single true word about ME3 through the last year leading up to it, and so it's only right that whenever any of them says something (only Mike Gamble seems to) people are angry and distrustful.

Modifié par Eain, 18 avril 2012 - 10:35 .

[jakal66]

wantedman dan wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Errr...millions of pre-orders resulting in veeery large profits?
Like I said if this DLC wasn't free then I would be skeptical. But like I also said it isn't, therefore there is no incentive on Gamble's part to lie.

And a pissed off fanbase resulting in direct revolution that MADE Extended Cut free.

You're being far too short-sighted. That same short-sightedness is the same that caused this very debacle.

But in the end it didn't quench the retakers thirst for blood...because the change had to be in the form THEY wanted it in, not in any other form.They wanted total removal of the starchild...and they didn't get...so the rage will continue for ever and ever.Because let's face it...even if they did remove him you guys would find something else to rant about...because is what you did in ME2, are doing in ME3 and will do in ME4...yes:bandit: