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[sth88]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Don't worry. This is not legit. In fact, we aren't yet at a state in production where mr "art monkey" could even see what he is describing.

Thank you very much for clearing this up, and for giving us a small update on your progress.  Many of us have been frustrated with the radio silence from the ME team throughout this whole process, and it means a lot to see someone on the team take a moment to clear up at least a small bit of the confusion and frustration that we have been experiencing.

I know you aren't currently able of answering many of the questions we have expressed in these forums, but it would go a long way if you or other members of the ME team could continue to give us updates or other info when you can.  There's been a lot of erosion of trust over the last month, and the vague, carefully crafted PR statements haven't helped.  We understand that you can't say much, but whatever you can say (beyond "we're listening"), we need you to say it.

[Cobra's_back]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Don't worry. This is not legit. In fact, we aren't yet at a state in production where mr "art monkey" could even see what he is describing.

Thank you so much.

[Cirreus]

RaidShock wrote...

Cirreus wrote...

I appreciate the speed on the debunk hammer, but the "we aren't yet at a state in production" worries me.

It means they're taking their time to get it right. This is a good thing.

True , I would normally be hopeful in another situation ... but my goal (I assume alot of people here as well) is to get back to Mass Effect. I'm not buying additional things at all from EA/Bioware until the ExCut is out. I'm hoping it clears things up, because at the moment I can not bring myself to play ANY part of Mass Effect (1, 2 or 3). It's too depressing.

So I want ... I need something (other than PR/Marketing Spin) that reassures my investment in the franchise. I need to know if I'm writing this company off as a loss (in my adventure/fantasy bank) or if I'm sticking around.

[count_4]

Guys, it was obvious this isn't legit from the point where he claimed the crew would start a colony. -.-

[mechalynx]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Don't worry. This is not legit. In fact, we aren't yet at a state in production where mr "art monkey" could even see what he is describing.

1 heart attack averted. Damn you, BioWare, I thought I was over all this drama. 

[Daedalus1773]

EsterCloat wrote...

Even if this was true, you couldn't start a colony with only the several dozen people on the Normandy without bad things happening further down the road, unless Joker decided to put several hundred/thousand civilians into the hold before running like a coward. Not to mention that with chirality either everyone is dead or only Tali and Garrus are dead.

Anyway, it gets points at least for being somewhat realistic with its description of only drawing out the ending without really changing anything.

Biologically speaking, the human genome requires only 37-50 healthy adults (sorry, Joker) to propogate and maintain a viable gene pool. However to your point, the further you want to go down the generational tree to have a healthy gene pool the larger the initial population you will require.

Throw alien DNA into the mix, and all bets are off.

I agree with your underlying point - it is exceptionally hard to believe that the crew we see on the Normandy would be sizeable enough to found a sustainable colony.

Modifié par Daedalus1773, 18 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[ZombifiedJake]

Enjoyed reading that fake leak as it showed what the EC could be at worst. Makes me more optimistic for something better - as long as we get more damn choice.

[mechalynx]

Daedalus1773 wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Even if this was true, you couldn't start a colony with only the several dozen people on the Normandy without bad things happening further down the road, unless Joker decided to put several hundred/thousand civilians into the hold before running like a coward. Not to mention that with chirality either everyone is dead or only Tali and Garrus are dead.

Anyway, it gets points at least for being somewhat realistic with its description of only drawing out the ending without really changing anything.

Biologically speaking, the human genome requires only 37-50 healthy adults to propogate and maintain a viable gene pool. However to your point, the further you want to go down the generational tree to have a healthy gene pool the larger the initial population you will require.

Throw alien DNA into the mix, and all bets are off.

I agree with your underlying point - it is exceptionally hard to believe that the crew we see on the Normandy would be sizeable enough to found a sustainable colony.

We only see 3 people climbing out of the ship at most. As far as I see, there's no guarantee there are others. Good luck starting a colony with that.

[BatmanTurian]

count_4 wrote...

Guys, it was obvious this isn't legit from the point where he claimed the crew would start a colony. -.-

It was more obvious to me from the moment I read it was from /vg/. I'd trust the Something Awful forums or Reddit before I'd trust 4Chan where trollls go to read threads where trolls are trolling each other.

[Daedalus1773]

mechalynx wrote...

Daedalus1773 wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Even if this was true, you couldn't start a colony with only the several dozen people on the Normandy without bad things happening further down the road, unless Joker decided to put several hundred/thousand civilians into the hold before running like a coward. Not to mention that with chirality either everyone is dead or only Tali and Garrus are dead.

Anyway, it gets points at least for being somewhat realistic with its description of only drawing out the ending without really changing anything.

Biologically speaking, the human genome requires only 37-50 healthy adults to propogate and maintain a viable gene pool. However to your point, the further you want to go down the generational tree to have a healthy gene pool the larger the initial population you will require.

Throw alien DNA into the mix, and all bets are off.

I agree with your underlying point - it is exceptionally hard to believe that the crew we see on the Normandy would be sizeable enough to found a sustainable colony.

We only see 3 people climbing out of the ship at most. As far as I see, there's no guarantee there are others. Good luck starting a colony with that.

And one of them possesses a rare genetic disease that would make him undesireable to use as a founding breed stock.

Not sure you read my last paragraph. We're in agreement.  I couldn't resist the urge to be pedantic & point out that you do not, in fact, need hundreds or thousands of people to establish a colony. I see that repeated quite often on BSN.

[Laurencio]

count_4 wrote...

Guys, it was obvious this isn't legit from the point where he claimed the crew would start a colony. -.-

Modifié par Laurencio, 18 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[TreguardD]

Fair enough, Mr. Gamble.

I've been watching the @MassEffect incoming feed (and throwing help where I believed I could give some) and all I can say is: If this is the direction you're going... "start over"

[Dawson14]

I think it's awesome that Gamble came in and squashed this "leak" almost immediately unlike the others. That's what should be done!

[count_4]

Daedalus1773 wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Even if this was true, you couldn't start a colony with only the several dozen people on the Normandy without bad things happening further down the road, unless Joker decided to put several hundred/thousand civilians into the hold before running like a coward. Not to mention that with chirality either everyone is dead or only Tali and Garrus are dead.

Anyway, it gets points at least for being somewhat realistic with its description of only drawing out the ending without really changing anything.

Biologically speaking, the human genome requires only 37-50 healthy adults to propogate and maintain a viable gene pool. However to your point, the further you want to go down the generational tree to have a healthy gene pool the larger the initial population you will require.

Throw alien DNA into the mix, and all bets are off.

I agree with your underlying point - it is exceptionally hard to believe that the crew we see on the Normandy would be sizeable enough to found a sustainable colony.

Make that 500 if you even want to think about starting any kind of long-term colony. 

Modifié par count_4, 18 avril 2012 - 06:15 .

[Ieldra]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...
That would have been revolting...
The idea that Synthesis is considered the best option is downright deplorable...

I disagree. The Synthesis is a very good ending. Having said that, the endings should be balanced in their side effects.

So then I take it you agree with the Reapers view and Saren's view, that Organics and synthetics must be joined together hodgepodge, you know, like how a Reaper is built. Do you guys even think about the implications of these choices you make and believe are right? In ME2 you fought the epitome of sythesis, the human reaper.The fact that you believe Sythesis is a good ending is frankly disturbing.

Pfft. I have no idea where you get this idea that we'll all end up like Reapers. Humans are organic. So are bacteria. If a hypothetical domain of synthetic life suddenly became organic, would they all become like bacteria? Or like humans? Or like roundworms? And that Saren thought combining organics and synthetics might be a good idea is indicative of exactly nothing. A villain with pretensions to world domination might also be a loving father, that doesn't make being a loving father a bad idea. The merit of an idea is independent from the morality of those who support them.

That people find the Synthesis "disturbing" is based on a misguided notion of the sanctity of the natural. But organic life is nothing special. Neither is synthetic life. Intelligent life as such, that's special. Biochemistry doesn't matter.

Besides, if you're interested in debating this in more depth, here's my take on the Synthesis

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[IronSabbath88]

"Final evolution of life"

Yeah, because Synthesis TOTALLY doesn't reek of Reaper speak.

[Apathy1989]

Sounds terrible. Being separated from normandy crew especially.

[acrb101]

ArchedAlbatross wrote...

If this is the extent of what they add, I will **** a chicken.

I will not judge until I experience it for myself.

Edit: Love the Bioware clarification!  

Modifié par acrb101, 18 avril 2012 - 06:16 .

[MattFini]

Phew ... thank the goddess this is fake.

[count_4]

Laurencio wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Guys, it was obvious this isn't legit from the point where he claimed the crew would start a colony. -.-

If you want to tell me that a 'few' people can maintain a colony, not my point. My point was that BioWare officially said the crew would be rescued. 

Besides, Terra Nova sucks. Worse writing than the ME3 ending.^^

Modifié par count_4, 18 avril 2012 - 06:17 .

[Daedalus1773]

count_4 wrote...

Daedalus1773 wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Even if this was true, you couldn't start a colony with only the several dozen people on the Normandy without bad things happening further down the road, unless Joker decided to put several hundred/thousand civilians into the hold before running like a coward. Not to mention that with chirality either everyone is dead or only Tali and Garrus are dead.

Anyway, it gets points at least for being somewhat realistic with its description of only drawing out the ending without really changing anything.

Biologically speaking, the human genome requires only 37-50 healthy adults to propogate and maintain a viable gene pool. However to your point, the further you want to go down the generational tree to have a healthy gene pool the larger the initial population you will require.

Throw alien DNA into the mix, and all bets are off.

I agree with your underlying point - it is exceptionally hard to believe that the crew we see on the Normandy would be sizeable enough to found a sustainable colony.

Make that 500 if you even want to think about starting any kind of colony. 

The number is subjective, depending on how far out you grow the generational trees.

And since we're dealing in a futuristic sci-fi universe where genetic engineering has been demonstrated to be  extremely advanced, it is theoretically possible that a diverse enough gene pool could be created from 2 individuals through direct intervention.

[TheOptimist]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Don't worry. This is not legit. In fact, we aren't yet at a state in production where mr "art monkey" could even see what he is describing.

Thanks Mike!  Wish we got to see more of you guys.

[Avissel]

count_4 wrote...
Besides, Terra Nova sucks. Worse writing than the ME3 ending.^^

Maybe Balek just REALLY hated that show and was confused.

[count_4]

Daedalus1773 wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Daedalus1773 wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Even if this was true, you couldn't start a colony with only the several dozen people on the Normandy without bad things happening further down the road, unless Joker decided to put several hundred/thousand civilians into the hold before running like a coward. Not to mention that with chirality either everyone is dead or only Tali and Garrus are dead.

Anyway, it gets points at least for being somewhat realistic with its description of only drawing out the ending without really changing anything.

Biologically speaking, the human genome requires only 37-50 healthy adults to propogate and maintain a viable gene pool. However to your point, the further you want to go down the generational tree to have a healthy gene pool the larger the initial population you will require.

Throw alien DNA into the mix, and all bets are off.

I agree with your underlying point - it is exceptionally hard to believe that the crew we see on the Normandy would be sizeable enough to found a sustainable colony.

Make that 500 if you even want to think about starting any kind of colony. 

The number is subjective, depending on how far out you grow the generational trees.

And since we're dealing in a futuristic sci-fi universe where genetic engineering has been demonstrated to be  extremely advanced, it is theoretically possible that a diverse enough gene pool could be created from 2 individuals through direct intervention.

Not really subjective, more like a rule of thumb to keep genetic variation stable over time. But you're right, it depends on how many generations are considered.

As for the sci-fi: In a science lab maybe but with only a crashed ship and no actual scientist on-board? Unlikely.

[captainwaffles]

You can't make a bad illogical nonsensical ending better by adding to it. The only way the ending can be saved is with the removal of Starchild and either A) Get rid of any explanations for the Reapers or Actually make a good one that makes sense, which is not easy... so I'm inclined to option A.