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[Selene Moonsong]

 The lines are pretty much drawn in the publsihed Site Rules for those that are wondering about that.

The proof that protesters are not being banned for protesting in these forums can be seen in these forums every day. BioWare does not work that way and never have in my 6 years of being a volunteer Moderator on the old BioBoards and here on BSN.

BTW, volunteer Moderators can be identified the Moderator badge (image) below their names in forums where they are authorised as moderators.

[Blue Liara]

I was banned from the forums for 24 hours for no just reason with NO prior warning or justification. Here is a message I sent to one of the moderators after I was banned enquiring as to why.

Hi I wonder if you can help me. A couple of days ago I was banned from viewing all forums with absolutely no warning or prior notification. I have never been abusive to anyone on the forums or anyone at Bioware. I simply started a couple of topics about the fact that Bioware keep on locking down threads and next thing I know I am banned. The first thread was closed quite quickly. The second one was on a different topic but related. That thread had quite a bit of discussion going on. Most of it civil disagreement between users. However all of a sudden I was banned. Apparently you are not aloud to restart threads that have already been locked. However, I did NOT know this but was immediately banned. I understand that the moderators have to deal with a lot of threads and users however I fell like I was very unfairly treated in this instance. The name of the thread I started before I was banned was called Locking Hold the Wallet.

Again thank you for your time and help.

[Blue Liara]

Modifié par Blue Liara, 19 avril 2012 - 02:30 .

[CHALET]

A lot of sites have been jumping on the controversy bandwagon to get themselves more views. Frankly I doubt the mods would be daft enough simply because of the massive poopstorm that would occur if this were the case, especially en mass.

[Blue Liara]

Here is what I was told by the moderator and also my response to him.

According to our ban log, you were banned for your OP for the 'locking Hold the Line' threads. Specifically, the personal attacks against Chris Priestly.

That isn't to say you aren't allowed to disagree - far from it. We encourage everyone to share their opinions, whatever they feel about our products - so long as they do so civilly and in a way that doesn't violate our forum rules.

Restarting threads is not a problem. Doing so in such a confrontational manner is the problem.

That being said, it was a temporary ban and should have no effect on your future ability to post.
 

Blue Liara
01:08 PM 2012-04-18
The ONLY time I mentioned Chris was at the beginning of the thread pointing out that it was Chris who had closed my previous thread. Here is what I said,Chris Priestly recently locked the very popular Hold the Wallet thread.

Here is his pathetic reason. "I will not allow our social site to be used to discourage people from buying our games".

I still think his reason was pathetic. So if i disagree with Chris' decision to close a thread and voice that it becomes a personal attack? How does that make sense?

The other time I mentioned Chris was with this post in the same thread,

"Come on Chris don't lock us down. All we really want is a NEW ending not a clarification. By the way the more you lock threads the more we want it."

I do not see how either of these statements are personal attacks.

How was I being confrontational? I was simply stating things that happened. I started a thread about the locking of hold the wallet. In which I said that I thought his reason was pathetic and not his real reason for closing the thread.

How do you define confrontational? Seems way too broad a statement to me to make a judgement as to when to close a thread or ban a person.

I have never made no personal attacks on Chris, any Bioware employee or any other forum member.

Again thank your for your time. I just wanted to set the record straight.

[malhar34]

^you have a point!

[jtrook]

They are probably banning retakers that attack and harass staff. We lose our message the moment we become hostile towards the only people that can give us what we want.

[AJRimmsey]

Blue Liara wrote...

Here is his pathetic reason.

I still think his reason was pathetic.

if you dont see that as offensive and confrontational then the problem lies squarely on your shoulders.

thats ignoring the fact you were accusing the staff of locking threads due to them being anti bioware and totally slanderous about them locking for the reason it was a "hold the wallet" thread

[Mars8309]

offensivename3730121 wrote...

Here's a third point for you:

They're getting banned for spamming the forum, posting spoilers in the non-spoiler section, and attacking other members or Bioware staff. Then they go crying to journalists, saying that Bioware and EA at biased.

Alot of people are doing the spoilers. As i'm trying to refrain in spoilering much... unless a spoiler warning was posted.

Modifié par Mars8309, 19 avril 2012 - 03:31 .

[Fozee]

malhar34 wrote...

^you have a point!

There isn't much of a point to be had when the activity that's being suspected is simply not happening. No part of the BSN moderation is banning people for having an opinion on the game. Any user suspected of being banned for having an opinion is mistaken, and was banned for violating some portion of our clearly written site rules.

Besides, if we wanted to maliciously get rid of people with certain opinions, why would the bans be temporary? It's a ridiculous concept in the end.

[Mars8309]

exccw wrote...

So let me get this straight, and correct me if I'm wrong, but BioWare gave in to their demands, and they're STILL complaining?

They didn't "give in". They think its ok to say yeah in ME3 you get to take back earth! Thats the whole point of the game. Then after the Mass Relay's...become "useless" Our Allies that came to fight to retake Earth no answer on how they get home to retake the home planets.
How is that an ending? They should had ME3 Galaxy at War.

[AJRimmsey]

Fozee wrote...

malhar34 wrote...

^you have a point!

There isn't much of a point to be had when the activity that's being suspected is simply not happening. No part of the BSN moderation is banning people for having an opinion on the game. Any user suspected of being banned for having an opinion is mistaken, and was banned for violating some portion of our clearly written site rules.

Besides, if we wanted to maliciously get rid of people with certain opinions, why would the bans be temporary? It's a ridiculous concept in the end.

i viewed your avatar through x ray specs...





the rumours are true

[Menethra]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Fozee wrote...

malhar34 wrote...

^you have a point!

There isn't much of a point to be had when the activity that's being suspected is simply not happening. No part of the BSN moderation is banning people for having an opinion on the game. Any user suspected of being banned for having an opinion is mistaken, and was banned for violating some portion of our clearly written site rules.

Besides, if we wanted to maliciously get rid of people with certain opinions, why would the bans be temporary? It's a ridiculous concept in the end.

i viewed your avatar through x ray specs...


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the rumours are true

That's a lovely picture of bobby kotick.

[Eire Icon]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Shame this couldn't have get cleared up before some of the more ridiculous Retakers decided to get news articles published saying that EA are perma-banning each and every person who dislikes the ending.

The "Retakers" apparently have "Lost the BSN" according to their own posts on other sites (Great read by the way)

 - This idea that people have been banned from the forums for expressing their opinion is riddiculous. Anyone who has been on this forum for any amount of time know thats not the way the mods or Bioware operate

[Eire Icon]

Blue Liara wrote...

Here is his pathetic reason. "I will not allow our social site to be used to discourage people from buying our games". 

You find it patethic that Bioware would not allow you to openly discourage people from buying their products on their own site ?

Absolutely unbelievable

I would have banned you for allot longer then 24 hours

[Drake_Hound]

So thursday exciting tweet news was about coming soon to bioware store >.<

Woot ok that was interesting !
Must be so important to wait for ......

[The Anti-Saint]

Il Divo wrote...
I will say this: never underestimate human stupidity.

^+7 billion

[Farbautisonn]

As I see it there is a great liberty to post what we want on BSN. Within certain limits.

What I do not like is the "rubber rules" like the one that was recently instigated for "bickering" and "responding to bickering". It tends to get people caught in the net, for things they really didnt do.

The admins and mods here show alot of tolerance, yes. But there are also border instances where I have felt that things had gone a bit over the edge. I dont mind rules for fora. I just want those rules to be iron clad so I know what I have to go on. If I do not, then there is alot of "gray" where I could be banned/censored for writing something that strictly speaking does not go against the rules.

And Oh... Admins/mods. When you do ban someone, be nice and PM the person you ban giving the reason why. If you do not that breeds confusement and resentment.

Only been banned once by Woo and I accept that. But I know people here who have been banned for being... "vocal"... shall we say.

[BlacJAC74]

I wish they would start banning people for posting spoilers in the non spoiler section, because this place has more spoilers posted on it than the spoiler section. Oh wait, there would only be around 4 users left. My bad.

[adrian07ch]

There are actually people that got banned for posting their dislike of Mass Effect 3 ending, so instead swallowing any Bioware lie that they say, you should think that actually the fans have a strong point.

It's obvious that Bioware tries to hide the hatred they gathered regarding the ending of ME3. It's what I would do after I would mess up things so bad.

[John Epler]

adrian07ch wrote...

There are actually people that got banned for posting their dislike of Mass Effect 3 ending, so instead swallowing any Bioware lie that they say, you should think that actually the fans have a strong point.

It's obvious that Bioware tries to hide the hatred they gathered regarding the ending of ME3. It's what I would do after I would mess up things so bad.

Cool. Want to give me their usernames, so I can verify? Because I can think of a few people who were banned because they weren't able to follow the forum rules, and of that group, there are going to be people who were against the ending. Just like there are people in that group who were in favour of the ending.

I'm more than happy to investigate anyone's case who thinks they were unfairly banned - however, there are rules everyone agrees to when they sign up here. If you can't follow those rules, that's when you get banned.

[gXs_2]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

I wish they would start banning people for posting spoilers in the non spoiler section, because this place has more spoilers posted on it than the spoiler section. Oh wait, there would only be around 4 users left. My bad.

This x1,000,000. I had the ending completely spoiled by going into just a few threads that originally had nothing to with the ending. 

[Zhuinden]

John Epler wrote...

adrian07ch wrote...

There are actually people that got banned for posting their dislike of Mass Effect 3 ending, so instead swallowing any Bioware lie that they say, you should think that actually the fans have a strong point.

It's obvious that Bioware tries to hide the hatred they gathered regarding the ending of ME3. It's what I would do after I would mess up things so bad.

Cool. Want to give me their usernames, so I can verify? Because I can think of a few people who were banned because they weren't able to follow the forum rules, and of that group, there are going to be people who were against the ending. Just like there are people in that group who were in favour of the ending.

I'm more than happy to investigate anyone's case who thinks they were unfairly banned - however, there are rules everyone agrees to when they sign up here. If you can't follow those rules, that's when you get banned.

I just wish there was a bit more of a warning to it or something. I saw you ban someone once, it went like this - thread posted, banned immediately.
You'd think moderators delete threads and send warning messages first. I mean, when I was a moderator at another forum, that's what I did.

[Zhuinden]

gXs_2 wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

I wish they would start banning people for posting spoilers in the non spoiler section, because this place has more spoilers posted on it than the spoiler section. Oh wait, there would only be around 4 users left. My bad.

This x1,000,000. I had the ending completely spoiled by going into just a few threads that originally had nothing to with the ending. 

Honestly, they should just open up the spoiler AND the non-spoiler forum for all people.

That way, everyone could discuss the non-spoilery aspects in the non-spoiler forum, and the spoilery aspects in the spoilery forum. But then, this strange lock-down system was introduced, I still don't really know why.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 19 avril 2012 - 04:43 .