For me, Hawke will always be a woman. I imported my canon-save from Origins and added a LadyHawke playthrough on it. Don't know why, just seems right for me.
DA3 Must have 2!
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#27
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 06:31
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Sylvanpyxie wrote...
Huh, now i think about it. Women being used for either seems to have hit a decline. Years ago when gaming was still very much driven by a less..... Casual?.... Audience, women were used to sell all manner of games.
Say it right--women with almost no clothing were used to sell games.
Maybe the industry has grown up a bit, if the emphasis has shifted from "you can look at this ass!" to "you can pretend to be this big muscly brown-haired unshaven white guy!"
Or maybe not.
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Posté 19 avril 2012 - 07:42
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They're the same people who did the 'Your mother will hate Dead Space' and 'Commit Acts of Lust with Boothbabes' marketing stunts, I have to agree.Atakuma wrote...
Then again Bioware's marketing is about as incompetent as it gets...
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 02:31
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Wenn schon denn schon, I think boys and girls playing games are around 50/50.
Let's hear it for the girls!
According to some surveys I've seen (which may or may not be accurate), the overall numbers still favor the guys. However, the numbers much more closely approach 50/50 and may actually indicate a MAJORITY FOR THE GIRLS when instead of focusing on who PLAYS the games, you look at who BUYS them. There are vastly more women gamers over 30 than there are males between 17-24. How the demographics turn into sales is not a straightforward, simple analysis, which is why change is so very, very slow. When it's hard to guess the results of a change in paradigm (and harder to demonstrate), people whose jobs and livelihoods depend on guessing correctly tend to become incredibly timid and conservative. And marketing primarily to males ages 17-24 is proven to sell SOME games. Whether it's as many as, say, marketing to women over 30 could sell, nobody knows, because they're afraid to try and they don't necessarily have a good way of assessing the results, anyway.
Also, it may be that the older and more female and more savvy people get, the less effect marking promotions have on their buying decisions anyway. It may very well be that marketing to 17-24 year old males is THE optimal strategy REGARDLESS simply because you get the most bang for your marketing buck in that area even though they represent only a tiny portion of the market.
That's actually an interesting thought--certain demographics get marketed-to not because of "bias" on the marketer's end, but because those may be the ONLY DEMOGRAPHICS WHOSE DECISIONS ARE MEASURABLY INFLUENCED by marketing campaigns.
I think you made a very good and interesting point there. But that doesn't only comply to women who play games. There are a lot of men over 30 playing games and I think that some of the things you mention apply on them too.
"Older" gamers look at games with a different eye then the "younger" generation.
Really depends on the developer who they focus on most in the end. The marketing of DA2 was mainly on younger gamers given the sensational fight shown. I'll post a link to a Bethesda game that has sensation but in all is made more for gamers of all ages:
http://www.youtube.c...esdasoftworksuk
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 02:39
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At first I was against having default hero as a female but why not? it's the girls turn to be on the box.
And yet Morrigan is on the box of Origins...
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 03:25
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Brockololly wrote...
cJohnOne wrote...
At first I was against having default hero as a female but why not? it's the girls turn to be on the box.
And yet Morrigan is on the box of Origins...
Now that I look at it. The Origins box does look more girl friendly especially compared to DA2. Oh wait there's a guy knight sort of thing on the origins box too.
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#32
Posté 20 avril 2012 - 03:55
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Whether they're scantily clad or decked out in armour, women are used to sell games. Even Bioware titles:
Isabela was used to sell Dragon Age II. Who, famously, wears no trousers.
Morrigan and Leliana were a focus in the marketing for Dragon Age Origins. Originally i believe Leliana had less clothes on than Morrigan.
The Valsharess was on the box of Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark wearing armour that was barely armour.
Jade Empire actually had one of the female protagonists on the box art and i believe they used female characters from the game in advertising. Some wear fully dressed, others were not.
Mass Effect had a fully armoured female marine on the box art.
Mass Effect 2 had a fully clothed woman on the box art, who was also used for promotional purposes.
Knights of the Old Republic had a fully dressed female companion on the box art.
Neverwinter Nights used a woman in fully clad in armour for promotional purposes. Good old Aribeth.
Bioware use women to sell their products *all* the time, whether they're fully dressed or wearing no trousers to speak of. The only reason people don't stop to realise this is because they don't often use a Female ->*Protagonist*<- to sell their products, simply female characters from the game. But Bioware use women to sell their games. Often.
Am i against Bioware using a Female Protagonist in advertising? No. I don't understand it, but i'm definitely not against it. Whatever is on my box, or in the adverts, i'm still going to be playing my own character. Defaults matter little to me, but if other people are so uppity about it then i fully support their desire for a Female default.
Isabela was used to sell Dragon Age II. Who, famously, wears no trousers.
Morrigan and Leliana were a focus in the marketing for Dragon Age Origins. Originally i believe Leliana had less clothes on than Morrigan.
The Valsharess was on the box of Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark wearing armour that was barely armour.
Jade Empire actually had one of the female protagonists on the box art and i believe they used female characters from the game in advertising. Some wear fully dressed, others were not.
Mass Effect had a fully armoured female marine on the box art.
Mass Effect 2 had a fully clothed woman on the box art, who was also used for promotional purposes.
Knights of the Old Republic had a fully dressed female companion on the box art.
Neverwinter Nights used a woman in fully clad in armour for promotional purposes. Good old Aribeth.
Bioware use women to sell their products *all* the time, whether they're fully dressed or wearing no trousers to speak of. The only reason people don't stop to realise this is because they don't often use a Female ->*Protagonist*<- to sell their products, simply female characters from the game. But Bioware use women to sell their games. Often.
Am i against Bioware using a Female Protagonist in advertising? No. I don't understand it, but i'm definitely not against it. Whatever is on my box, or in the adverts, i'm still going to be playing my own character. Defaults matter little to me, but if other people are so uppity about it then i fully support their desire for a Female default.
Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 20 avril 2012 - 03:58 .
#33
Posté 20 avril 2012 - 04:07
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"Lady Hawke" - Why does that always sound like a pubic hairstyle to me? The brazillian, landing strip, German wax... Lady Hawke. :-S
Lol you could say that for anything though
Like Lady Dragon, Lady Kirkwall, Lady Morrigan.
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 09:16
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I'd prefer if this time around a grizzly looking Caucasian man wasn't standing frontwards to the camera, looking slightly downwards and determined. My wall for RPG posters is pretty full up with them already.
Modifié par Vovea, 20 avril 2012 - 09:18 .
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Posté 21 avril 2012 - 02:56
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GeneralBacon339 wrote...
Dragon Age 3 must have a Female Character for advertising (every game seems to choose a Male character every time) I still say it should be Lady Hawke!
Tho we all know that hawke needs alittle bit less Mundane stuff and ALOT more Epicness!
None of the Dragon Age games featured either Hawke (or the Warden) on the game covers, or part of its prerelease art. Only the trailers featured any of the Hawke's and it was indeed ManHawke.
And I do not blame Bioware one bit that they focussed on him.
FemHawke is terrible.
Seriously. The voice acting for FemHawke is horrific.
It is worse than the ClownSpawn, or the DonkeyKongSpawn. It is worse than the downs syndrome Elves. It is worse than half the Dalish Elves sounding IRISH, instead of Welsh.
Tried playing as FemHawke once. Got about a quarter of the way through Act 1 (I think) and couldn't get any further as her because listening to her perpetually bored, contextually invalid, wooden intonation was making my ears bleed.
ManHawke is the only Hawke I recognise.
If you don't believe me, listen to this video: www.youtube.com/watch
Bad. Bad. Bad. Eugh.
Don't use that Voice Actor again Bioware.
Additionally. Hawke won't be utlised in DA3 advertising because Hawke won't be in DA3, he won't be the protagonist. There is no reason to focus on him.
I wouldn't mind FemProtag for DA3 being included in the prerelease advertising.
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Posté 21 avril 2012 - 03:18
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Also, please do not make it Tallis...
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Posté 21 avril 2012 - 08:44
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I don't think it's possible.Vovea wrote...
I'd prefer if this time around a grizzly looking Caucasian man wasn't standing frontwards to the camera, looking slightly downwards and determined.
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Posté 21 avril 2012 - 08:55
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I would prefer to just have the Blood Dragon as the iconic poster character, and advertising to focus on showing the game-play.
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Posté 21 avril 2012 - 09:24
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I don't really care who's on the box or in the ads, it's what's in the game that matters.
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Posté 22 avril 2012 - 12:50
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I like the idea of having a reversible cover on the box, like with ME3. Male default on one side, female on the other, and can be switched for personal preference.
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Posté 22 avril 2012 - 03:00
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I really hope the DA3 team is worrying and working on more important things than how the Box, and advertsing will look. I think most people would buy it if they had a white box, that simply had "DA3" on it.
