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[LobselVith8]

In the threads about mages and templars, people are always divided on the issue about whether the Chantry controlled Circles should be supported, or whether mages should be emancipated from Chantry and templar control. Both Origins and Dragon Age II invite us to side with either the mages or the templars on certain occassions. However, the mage protagonist from the Magi Origin can attempt to do something about this issue in the narrative during the ceremony with the new ruler of Ferelden, where he (or she) can ask for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence when he becomes the Hero of Ferelden, or if The Warden sacrifices his life to defeat the Archdemon Urthemiel.

The Magi Origin already permits the mage protagonist to agree with the Libertarian position, and the narrative even allows The Warden to help the Mages' Collective. The Magi boon simply stands it a step further, using the opportunity to ask for a monumental boon that should have ramifications across Thedas. While Awakening and Witch Hunt never addressed the ramifications of the Hero of Ferelden asking for the freedom of his people (with Circle mages Anders and Finn making no statement about it to the mage protagonist), and even the new ruler declaring that mages have earned the right to govern themselves was never followed up on in the expansion or the DLC that returned the protagonist to the Circle Tower, there is one line (in Dragon Age II) from Meredith in Act III's "King Alistair" that makes it clear that while the Chantry turned it down, it has apparently impacted the other Circles of Magi.

It would make sense for this to have an impact among the different Circles of Magi, with the national hero of Ferelden and its new ruler declaring that mages should be allowed to govern themselves without Chantry or templar control. The Epilogue for Origins even addresses that no independent Circle of Orzammar forms as a result of The Warden asking for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence.

With the mages rebelling against the Chantry and the templars, what impact might this have in a nation where the ruler and the Hero of Ferelden have already declared that mages should govern themselves without the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars? Even King Alistair is arguing about the Magi boon several years later, and he is apparently protecting apostates from the templars.

Wouldn't the mages seek out the Hero of Ferelden, who has prior experience as the military leader who led the Ferelden armies to victory in the Fifth Blight (with either King Alistair or Queen Anora supporting his role after the Landsmeet)? A popular figure who, as Queen Anora admitted, was seen as being "blessed by the Maker" during the royal ceremony, who even First Enchanter Irving can attest is spoken about highly. Wouldn't the logical choice for the mages be to seek the Hero of Ferelden out during this rebellion? Especially since the Hero of Ferelden can become the Warden-Commander, as well as the Arl of Amaranthine - a high noble who has lesser nobles swearing fealty to him (even if the protagonist is a mage), governing the City of Amaranthine and having the right of high justice, in command of his own army, and the leader of the nation's Grey Wardens. As one of the most powerful mages in Andrastian society - with a powerful political position and his own army - I think it would be logical for them to seek him out (although whether they can actually locate him, given how he can leave with Morrigan at the end of Witch Hunt, is another matter entirely).

[TEWR]

Well, King Alistair says that his authority is only powerful enough to deal with apostates. As of Asunder, Mages are now all going to be considered apostates -- more or less.

He even says that his thoughts on the matter are different then the Chantry's, so I imagine that he is going to assist the Mages now.

I imagine he's also going to assist the Divine.

I doubt the Mages would seek out the Hero of Ferelden -- considering he's gone somehow and we don't know what's going on -- but I do consider it highly likely that they will be thankful for his efforts and go the country that actually considered and fought for the rights they should've been given.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 18 avril 2012 - 07:27 .

[ImperialHeir]

 Well, even without the boon Alistair is said to have problems with the Chantry due to his mage sympathetic views. I'm pretty sure he'd want to aid the Mages (although I bet it would be through the Seekers). With the boon, Alistair probably still wasn't able to completely free the Circle, but I expect some more freedom was granted. Almost every person in Thedas is a member of the Chantry, so Ferelden's Circle could never be truely free. Well, not without the Mage-Templar War at least.

I'd think, though, that a Blight-hardened partially free Ferelden Circle would be a powerful ally for Pro-Mages in DA3. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

(And... I just realized how much speculation was in my response. I wish we could have a more detailed analysis of the nuances of the Mage-Templar War, we hardly know anything about where the battle lines are drawn.)

[Deniz87]

I would even say that the (mage) Warden-Commander is considered as the new prophet. There is the theory that Andraste was "just" a powerful mage, and because of her alone, the Tevinter Empire was nearly destroyed. And it's really time for another revolution..led by our Warden maybe?

[HiroVoid]

Deniz87 wrote...

I would even say that the (mage) Warden-Commander is considered as the new prophet. There is the theory that Andraste was "just" a powerful mage, and because of her alone, the Tevinter Empire was nearly destroyed. And it's really time for another revolution..led by our Warden maybe?

As long as I get to rename him Skeletor!!!

[WhiteKnyght]

Magi Boon is irrelevant, as the Chantry says no and in a decade mages will all be rebelling anyway.

May as well go for the Title and Riches boon. Be the first mage Teyrn.

Magic is a lot more useful than bigots in metal suits, so doesn't matter whose running Ferelden, both Alistair and Anora would likely see the benefits of supporting the mages over the Templars.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

LobselVith8 wrote...


Snip .

I wish you didn't mention that. Now you are giving some reason for my Amell to join the fight. :happy: 
The only thing left is my Cousland(deceased)/Orlesian Warden Commander, Aeducan and Mahariel. They're
 not mages and less inclined to involve themselves.

Anyway, very impressive finding. I'll look forward for your research.

[dragonflight288]

I had my Amell become Chancellor to Alistair. Mainly out of friendship and not out of any duty to the Circles.