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[k-stigus]

Arbiter quote: "a single spore can destroy a species"

I'd say flood first, covenant, then reapers

[Dalorm]

razor150 wrote...

Nobrandminda wrote...

Did anyone else think the Flood were a really unconvincing threat in Halo? I mean, they're basically just zombies who are smart enough to use guns. Yeah, Halo 3 introduced a couple new variants, but still.

It doesn't help that all of the Halo games get significantly easier at the point that the flood (and the shotgun) are introduced.

The flood are little more than husks, but that was enough to give the covenant trouble. Imagine if they were backed up by Reaper capital ships. Wouldn't end well.

From Halo 1, 2 and 3 the Flood can "hack" ships, and Gravemind had control over a monitor in 2. The problem is getting a flood form in position to actually hack a Reaper ship. I don't think the Flood would stand a chance against the Reapers, because the Flood's advantages against organics no longer exist against the Reapers.

Gravmind didnt physically "hack" AI or the Monitors. He persuaded them into seeing his logic or perpective (basically what he did to Cortana was talk her in circles until she cracked or saw the logic in his plan but Cortana is also a smart AI so she is quite a bit different than the monitors) . (essentially indoctrinated them) Everything that 343 or any of the other monitors did was under their own free will.

[justafan]

Probably Covenant but only because when you compare two separate games/tv series/ etc. one will inevitably use unrealistic numbers. Take the star trek verse, you would think it wouldn't take much for something from say, Star Wars to take out the enterprise. However, some of the number that get thrown out in the TV series suggest the Enterprise capable of producing shields and firepower greater than a fleets of star destroyers.

The same is true of the Reapers vs. Covenant. Reapers would totally win if their universes used consistent measurements, but I'm pretty sure the firepower of the Covenant by virtue of being from the Haloverse (which use 600 TON rounds compared to Alliance 20kg slugs) would emerge victorious.

[N7Adept]

Not even close, Reapers win.

The Council species(Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human) could defeat the covenant. I'd take a Turian over an Elite any day, Krogan over a Brute, could go on....

[Stygian1]

k-stigus wrote...

Arbiter quote: "a single spore can destroy a species"

I'd say flood first, covenant, then reapers

Meh, while the flood could defeat the covenant, and while the covenant could (probably) defeat the Reapers, I think the Reapers could defeat the flood. 

From my understanding it would just be a battle of infection--except while the Reapers could use the flood's bodies against them the flood could not do the same. They're not really evolved to handle synthetics. 

[Stygian1]

N7Adept wrote...

Not even close, Reapers win.

The Council species(Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human) could defeat the covenant. I'd take a Turian over an Elite any day, Krogan over a Brute, could go on....

Agree, Mass Effect aliens are just superior to Halo aliens. 

But, one word: Technology. 

Covenant have a Butt load of it. 

[N7Adept]

Stygian1 wrote...

N7Adept wrote...

Not even close, Reapers win.

The Council species(Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human) could defeat the covenant. I'd take a Turian over an Elite any day, Krogan over a Brute, could go on....

Agree, Mass Effect aliens are just superior to Halo aliens. 

But, one word: Technology. 

Covenant have a Butt load of it. 

They do, but Kinetic barriors, biotic shields, whatever the Cov. has the Citadel races can match.

Id take the Destiny Ascension against a Covenant cruiser.

[k-stigus]

Stygian1 wrote...

k-stigus wrote...

Arbiter quote: "a single spore can destroy a species"

I'd say flood first, covenant, then reapers

Meh, while the flood could defeat the covenant, and while the covenant could (probably) defeat the Reapers, I think the Reapers could defeat the flood. 

From my understanding it would just be a battle of infection--except while the Reapers could use the flood's bodies against them the flood could not do the same. They're not really evolved to handle synthetics. 

 From ME2, reapers have organic components, and I would assume that they have importance to reaper function

[Dalorm]

Stygian1 wrote...

k-stigus wrote...

Arbiter quote: "a single spore can destroy a species"

I'd say flood first, covenant, then reapers

Meh, while the flood could defeat the covenant, and while the covenant could (probably) defeat the Reapers, I think the Reapers could defeat the flood. 

From my understanding it would just be a battle of infection--except while the Reapers could use the flood's bodies against them the flood could not do the same. They're not really evolved to handle synthetics. 

There would be no mind to Indoctrinate with the Flood. They comunicate with each other through smell in the beginning and then once the Gravemind is built all hell breaks loose. He is the only sentinent in the Flood Hierarchy and the regular flood are basically just pieces on a chess board. None of them think they just do what their told. A good example would be Harby controlling a Collector body except Gravemind controls all Flood bodies.

Modifié par Dalorm, 18 avril 2012 - 09:43 .

[Stygian1]

Dalorm wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

k-stigus wrote...

Arbiter quote: "a single spore can destroy a species"

I'd say flood first, covenant, then reapers

Meh, while the flood could defeat the covenant, and while the covenant could (probably) defeat the Reapers, I think the Reapers could defeat the flood. 

From my understanding it would just be a battle of infection--except while the Reapers could use the flood's bodies against them the flood could not do the same. They're not really evolved to handle synthetics. 

There would be no mind to Indoctrinate with the Flood. They comunicate with each other through smell in the beginning and then once the Gravemind is built all hell breaks loose. He is the only sentinent in the Flood Hierarchy and the regular flood are basically just pieces on a chess board. None of them think they just do what their told. A good example would be Harby controlling a Collector body except Gravemind controls all Flood bodies.

Watching Harbinger trying to indoctrinate Gravemind would be epic. But, assuming that is impossible, the Reapers still have ariel (or whatever, spacial) superiority. They also have the advantage of having footsoldiers just as competent as the flood's (brutes, Banshees, etc.) while they still have 2km long death machines firing from of orbit. 

While the flood are better at killing organics than the Reapers are, I think the Reaper could handle the flood themselves. 

[razor150]

N7Adept wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

N7Adept wrote...

Not even close, Reapers win.

The Council species(Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human) could defeat the covenant. I'd take a Turian over an Elite any day, Krogan over a Brute, could go on....

Agree, Mass Effect aliens are just superior to Halo aliens. 

But, one word: Technology. 

Covenant have a Butt load of it. 

They do, but Kinetic barriors, biotic shields, whatever the Cov. has the Citadel races can match.

Id take the Destiny Ascension against a Covenant cruiser.

I'd take a human dreadnaught in Halo over the Destiny Ascension.  Ths MAC guns in the Haloverse are better than anything in council space. 

[Dalorm]

razor150 wrote...

N7Adept wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

N7Adept wrote...

Not even close, Reapers win.

The Council species(Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human) could defeat the covenant. I'd take a Turian over an Elite any day, Krogan over a Brute, could go on....

Agree, Mass Effect aliens are just superior to Halo aliens. 

But, one word: Technology. 

Covenant have a Butt load of it. 

They do, but Kinetic barriors, biotic shields, whatever the Cov. has the Citadel races can match.

Id take the Destiny Ascension against a Covenant cruiser.

I'd take a human dreadnaught in Halo over the Destiny Ascension.  Ths MAC guns in the Haloverse are better than anything in council space. 

Dude MAC guns insane. They punch clean through Covenant shields and whats even cooler is the US is trying to develop that tech for their Destroyers. Only problem is each cannon would need its own power plant to fire and a capacitor bank the size of a jumbo jet.

[Nuchy]

tractrpl wrote...

The very fact that humanity was able to hold its own against the covenant leads me to believe that they wouldn't have stood a chance against the Reapers. The flood, however, operates on a similar level. Both take control over the bodies of organics. The question is if the flood can "hack" the organic components of Reaper starships. If they can, then the Reapers would be effed. If not, then the flood would be effed.

Humanity wouldnt have won if the flood didnt take out high charity for them

[Kroepoek]

My life for Aiur!

[YNation913]

If the gravemind can "indoctrinate" AIs like Cortana, what's to stop him from controlling a Reaper?

[Nuchy]

Coldsniper1 wrote...

Giga I think you had it mostly right with your first point.

The Covenant are almost exactly like the Protheans enforcing a unified doctrine across their Empire; THIS is how you fight in Space and THIS is how you fight on the ground. So limited in fact that the UNSC Marines, a vastly inferior force, were able to beat them in ground warfare (or at least delay)

They would respond the same way to a Reaper threat and attrition would set in with an ultimate Reaper victory.

'For every harvested Covenant Warrior there are two casualties; the converted warrior and his buddy who can't pull the trigger on a friend'

Dude who cares if all the covenant fight a certain way, their weapons are far superior to a reapers! Lol saying "ohh well all the races use the same strategy in space battles, so obviously the covenant would lose!" is very narrow minded! 

Did you ever think they use the same strategies because they work so well?

And on the ground the covenant fight very differently from each other, im not sure what you're smoking. 

Elites use cover and will try to flank you. 

Brutes charge right in

Hunters will stand their ground unless challened and are only vulnerable from one side

Grunts will try to stick together and gun you down

Jackals use energy shields and will slowly box you in


So yeah, and I'm not even sure what Javik means when he said that line, "we were all the same race so we couldnt think of other strategies" huh?? Just because you were all protheans you couldnt think of other strategies to try? 

How does that make sense.

[Skirlasvoud]

The Halo rings vs. the Crucible.

*imagines*

[rex343]

There is no real way to have a convincing argument about with the two universe being so different in halo almost everything is so over powered and has no real scientific background its just said to be from the forerunners where in Mass Effect most of the tech has some scientific background which some what controls how much power they can use.

[v TricKy v]

Fix1o0 wrote...

My life for Aiur!

just thought the same. Throw the Protoss in and the Reapers will start to cry and flee back to darkspace 

[JShepppp]

The biggest thing is that the Reapers do not need any kind of resources to survive. They are completely self-sufficient.

Given enough time (they can also live essentially forever), they will eliminate the Covenant. Gravemind won't be able to indoctrinate them because the Reapers' minds are much more powerful since there are over 10,000 of them.

This is assuming the Mass Relays, Citadel, Crucible, and Halo Array don't exist; it's talking about conventional means.

[Liber320]

Nuchy wrote...

Coldsniper1 wrote...

Giga I think you had it mostly right with your first point.

The Covenant are almost exactly like the Protheans enforcing a unified doctrine across their Empire; THIS is how you fight in Space and THIS is how you fight on the ground. So limited in fact that the UNSC Marines, a vastly inferior force, were able to beat them in ground warfare (or at least delay)

They would respond the same way to a Reaper threat and attrition would set in with an ultimate Reaper victory.

'For every harvested Covenant Warrior there are two casualties; the converted warrior and his buddy who can't pull the trigger on a friend'

Dude who cares if all the covenant fight a certain way, their weapons are far superior to a reapers! Lol saying "ohh well all the races use the same strategy in space battles, so obviously the covenant would lose!" is very narrow minded! 

Did you ever think they use the same strategies because they work so well?

And on the ground the covenant fight very differently from each other, im not sure what you're smoking. 

Elites use cover and will try to flank you. 

Brutes charge right in

Hunters will stand their ground unless challened and are only vulnerable from one side

Grunts will try to stick together and gun you down

Jackals use energy shields and will slowly box you in


So yeah, and I'm not even sure what Javik means when he said that line, "we were all the same race so we couldnt think of other strategies" huh?? Just because you were all protheans you couldnt think of other strategies to try? 

How does that make sense.

It's been established that the Covenant aren't all that on the ground. Humans would regularly beat them in ground combat. It's their ships that dominate, and I think Reapers have them there.

Besides, like it's been said, all the Reapers have to do is indoctrinate the Prophets and the Covenant are done

[N7 samus aran]

covenant would burn harbinger into to the ground space pirates from metroid series would defeat both reapers and covenant

Modifié par N7 samus aran, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:49 .

[o Ventus]

Dalorm wrote...

razor150 wrote...

N7Adept wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

N7Adept wrote...

Not even close, Reapers win.

The Council species(Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human) could defeat the covenant. I'd take a Turian over an Elite any day, Krogan over a Brute, could go on....

Agree, Mass Effect aliens are just superior to Halo aliens. 

But, one word: Technology. 

Covenant have a Butt load of it. 

They do, but Kinetic barriors, biotic shields, whatever the Cov. has the Citadel races can match.

Id take the Destiny Ascension against a Covenant cruiser.

I'd take a human dreadnaught in Halo over the Destiny Ascension.  Ths MAC guns in the Haloverse are better than anything in council space. 

Dude MAC guns insane. They punch clean through Covenant shields and whats even cooler is the US is trying to develop that tech for their Destroyers. Only problem is each cannon would need its own power plant to fire and a capacitor bank the size of a jumbo jet.

Regular MAC's wouldn't stand up to a Reaper. MACs hit in the <100 kiloton range. A Capital Ship's gun can hit in the high hundred megatons. That's a hand grenade to the Tsar Bomba. A Super MAC, on the other hand, could obliterate a Reaper, provided we know how powerful the Reapers' barriers are.

I think the Reapers would win, due to sheer numbers (There are at least 20,000 Capital Ships and even more Destroyers, plus the ability to indoctrinate and convert organic victims into husk variants) and more reliable damage output. 

[Anti-killer]

The Covenant would utterly destroy the Reapers. aside from the fact that the covenant have huge ships with Energy weapons...their weapons are in the Megaton-Gigaton range.

seeing as how the Turians pansy weapons, which are only 38 Kilotons, can damage a reaper, a Covenant ship would be overkill.

the Reapers vs UNSC is a much more fairer fight, and even then the Reapers would have to fight for their lives

Modifié par Anti-killer, 22 juin 2012 - 11:25 .

[o Ventus]

Anti-killer wrote...

The Covenant would utterly destroy the Reapers. aside from the fact that the covenant have huge ships with Energy weapons...their weapons are in the Megaton-Gigaton range.

seeing as how the Turians pansy weapons, which are only 38 Kilotons, can damage a reaper, a Covenant ship would be overkill.

the Reapers vs UNSC is a much more fairer fight, and even then the Reapers would have to fight for their lives

We don't know this for fact. Not every Covenant weapon is a WMD.