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[daniel_schold]

5trangeCase wrote...

I will be utterly shocked if, in a game that will be about the war between mages and Templars, there will not be a Templar companion.

Yes, I agree. Would seem weird to not get companions from both sides.

And I really want a templar, I do enjoy them.

As for the Cullen-talk... I'm not saying that it's impossible to use him. Just saying that there might be a big risk, since it has the possibility to cause more rage than it's worth. On the other hand, if he's left out - that might cause just as much rage. This is one of the situations I don't envy the writers hehe.

[LolaLei]

daniel_schold wrote...

5trangeCase wrote...

I will be utterly shocked if, in a game that will be about the war between mages and Templars, there will not be a Templar companion.

Yes, I agree. Would seem weird to not get companions from both sides.

And I really want a templar, I do enjoy them.

As for the Cullen-talk... I'm not saying that it's impossible to use him. Just saying that there might be a big risk, since it has the possibility to cause more rage than it's worth. On the other hand, if he's left out - that might cause just as much rage. This is one of the situations I don't envy the writers hehe.

It'll certainly be interesting to see what they do with him if Cullen does become a companion/LI. Hell, Anders came back with a completely different personality and voice and the backlash wasn't too bad with that one (which actually surprised me lol.)

[Arppis]

I really think that the DA2 shot itself to the foot by not having templar companion... I know Fenris was supporting their views, but he was very unlikable for me thanks to that. Too bipolar when it came to mages.

[LolaLei]

Arppis wrote...

I really think that the DA2 shot itself to the foot by not having templar companion... I know Fenris was supporting their views, but he was very unlikable for me thanks to that. Too bipolar when it came to mages.

It makes me wonder if they wanted to save the Templar companion until DA3, especially if the Templar/Mage rebellion is gonna play a big part this time round.

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 avril 2012 - 01:51 .

[daniel_schold]

LolaLei wrote...

It'll certainly be interesting to see what they do with him if Cullen does become a companion/LI. Hell, Anders came back with a completely different personality and voice and the backlash wasn't too bad with that one (which actually surprised me lol.)

Well, I for one really dislike Anders in DA2 haha. Think they completely destroyed that character (poorly written and just very annoying), and that they made a mistake bringing back a character who could be dead - and letting him play such an important role. I've killed him in two games, if I have to do it a third time my eyes will twitch lol.

Arppis wrote...

I really think that the DA2 shot itself to the foot by not having templar companion... I know Fenris was supporting their views, but he was very unlikable for me thanks to that. Too bipolar when it came to mages.

Yeah, I'd have taken a templar over Fenris any day. Seeing as he was basically a tank made for dealing with mages - a templar would've filled that role perfectly. Also would've liked to have a character where I can chose if they use 1-handed and shield or a 2-handed (wouldn't mind a rogue where I get to pick if it's an archer or a melee-fighter).

Quite funny that Anders and Fenris are mentioned here - the two characters I never use apart from their companion quests. The two worst characters in DA yet, in my opinion hehe.

[LolaLei]

daniel_schold wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

It'll certainly be interesting to see what they do with him if Cullen does become a companion/LI. Hell, Anders came back with a completely different personality and voice and the backlash wasn't too bad with that one (which actually surprised me lol.)

Well, I for one really dislike Anders in DA2 haha. Think they completely destroyed that character (poorly written and just very annoying), and that they made a mistake bringing back a character who could be dead - and letting him play such an important role. I've killed him in two games, if I have to do it a third time my eyes will twitch lol.

Arppis wrote...

I really think that the DA2 shot itself to the foot by not having templar companion... I know Fenris was supporting their views, but he was very unlikable for me thanks to that. Too bipolar when it came to mages.

Yeah, I'd have taken a templar over Fenris any day. Seeing as he was basically a tank made for dealing with mages - a templar would've filled that role perfectly. Also would've liked to have a character where I can chose if they use 1-handed and shield or a 2-handed (wouldn't mind a rogue where I get to pick if it's an archer or a melee-fighter).

Quite funny that Anders and Fenris are mentioned here - the two characters I never use apart from their companion quests. The two worst characters in DA yet, in my opinion hehe.

I miss DA:A Anders, he was so much more fun! (And voiced by the same guy that does Cullen, amusingly.) It's funny, I hadn't realised until recently that Fenris was a tank lol... I guess when I think of tank companions I imagine them to be wearing armor lol.

[Arppis]

LolaLei wrote...

Arppis wrote...

I really think that the DA2 shot itself to the foot by not having templar companion... I know Fenris was supporting their views, but he was very unlikable for me thanks to that. Too bipolar when it came to mages.

It makes me wonder if they wanted to save the Templar companion until DA3, especially if the Templar/Mage rebellion is gonna play a big part this time round.

You know, more than that, it makes me wonder if they made templar companion at first, but hen switched it to Fenris?

[LolaLei]

Arppis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Arppis wrote...

I really think that the DA2 shot itself to the foot by not having templar companion... I know Fenris was supporting their views, but he was very unlikable for me thanks to that. Too bipolar when it came to mages.

It makes me wonder if they wanted to save the Templar companion until DA3, especially if the Templar/Mage rebellion is gonna play a big part this time round.

You know, more than that, it makes me wonder if they made templar companion at first, but hen switched it to Fenris?

It's a possibility. Perhaps they decided not to have a Templar companion because Anders was an important companion heavily tied into the main plot. There's no way he would have agreed to join Hawke or stayed in the party if a Templar companion had been introduced so maybe they scrapped the Templar idea and introduced one of the other companions instead (like Fenris or whatever.)

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 avril 2012 - 02:46 .

[LobselVith8]

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Templar party member?

Only if we can kill him.

As for including Cullen: sure!

But only if we can kill him.

I think it would be a good idea to kill off or refuse a companion that you don't like. I'm think it made little sense for people who wanted a pro-templar Hawke to accept two apostate companions in their moiety crew. I could see a templar being a possible companion, with the option for a mage protagonist (or a pro-mage character) to refuse their participation among his (or her) crew, and possibly kill him if he (or she) opposed their efforts. I'm sure the pro-templar players would like to be able to refuse having an illegal mage as a companion as well.

As for Cullen, I wasn't a fan of him, but I understand he has a plethora of fans who wanted to see him back. It's why they rectonned his fate from Origins, and brought him into Dragon Age II. He has a fan base. I think his character wasn't really explored as much as he could have been, especially given how he responds at the end of a pro-mage run on Dragon Age II (which didn't really make much sense to me). I think exploring why he would response that way would have been much better, as it seems to come out of nowhere as it is.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 19 avril 2012 - 03:51 .

[LolaLei]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Templar party member?

Only if we can kill him.

As for including Cullen: sure!

But only if we can kill him.

I think it would be a good idea to kill off or refuse a companion that you don't like. I'm think it made little sense for people who wanted a pro-templar Hawke to accept two apostate companions in their moiety crew. I could see a templar being a possible companion, with the option for a mage protagonist (or a pro-mage character) to refuse their participation among his (or her) crew, and possibly kill him if he (or she) opposed their efforts. I'm sure the pro-templar players would like to be able to refuse having an illegal mage as a companion as well.

As for Cullen, I wasn't a fan of him, but I understand he has a plethora of fans who wanted to see him back. It's why they rectonned his fate from Origins, and brought him into Dragon Age II. He has a fan base. I think his character wasn't really explored as much as he could have been, especially given how he responds at the end of a pro-mage run on Dragon Age II (which didn't really make much sense to me). I think exploring why he would response that way would have been much better, as it seems to come out of nowhere as it is.

Yeah I found Cullen's reaction to the pro-mage ending odd too. He didn't have anything to say about Anders blowing up the Chantry either. I kinda run with the theory that he respects pro-mage Hawke so he gives them a chance to escape before he has to hunt them down again. It makes me wonder if his belief in the Templar Order has changed again.

... Then again it was probably just a rushed oversight due to poor writing lol. Perhaps they'll fill in that plot hole in DA3 if he comes back as a companion.

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 avril 2012 - 04:52 .

[LobselVith8]

LolaLei wrote...

Yeah I found Cullen's reaction to the pro-mage ending odd too. He didn't have anything to say about Anders blowing up the Chantry either. I kinda run with the theory that he respects pro-mage Hawke so he gives them a chance to escape before he has to hunt them down again. It makes me wonder if his belief in the Templar Order has changed again.

... Then again it was probably just a rushed oversight due to poor writing lol. Perhaps they'll fill in that plot hole in DA3 if he comes back as a companion.

I think it was rushed, because it comes out of nowhere, and I don't think it makes much sense. Hawke hasn't surrendered, he has been killing templars, but Cullen thinks that it's crossing the line to kill him when he hasn't even surrendered?

Then again, Hawke can even warn Cullen about Anders plot, and he doesn't do anything. That is one plot hole that I don't think can ever be properly addressed.

[LolaLei]

LobselVith8 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Yeah I found Cullen's reaction to the pro-mage ending odd too. He didn't have anything to say about Anders blowing up the Chantry either. I kinda run with the theory that he respects pro-mage Hawke so he gives them a chance to escape before he has to hunt them down again. It makes me wonder if his belief in the Templar Order has changed again.

... Then again it was probably just a rushed oversight due to poor writing lol. Perhaps they'll fill in that plot hole in DA3 if he comes back as a companion.

I think it was rushed, because it comes out of nowhere, and I don't think it makes much sense. Hawke hasn't surrendered, he has been killing templars, but Cullen thinks that it's crossing the line to kill him when he hasn't even surrendered?

Then again, Hawke can even warn Cullen about Anders plot, and he doesn't do anything. That is one plot hole that I don't think can ever be properly addressed.

Do you get the feeling that DA2 served only as the filler/interlude/set up for DA3? Like they were more interested in getting to the next big storyline?

[Eternal Phoenix]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Then again, Hawke can even warn Cullen about Anders plot, and he doesn't do anything. That is one plot hole that I don't think can ever be properly addressed.

LOL that killed me. The way Hawke looks at Fenris, Aveline and Anders just makes that scene even more funnier. Then you have Cullen's response which is "I suppose I need not ask which of the known apostates you're talking about."

LOL

Dragon Age 2 is full of plot holes. You cast magic in front of Templars and kill hundreds of people in the streets with magic and yet the Templars never even come for you.

[LolaLei]

Elton John is dead wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Then again, Hawke can even warn Cullen about Anders plot, and he doesn't do anything. That is one plot hole that I don't think can ever be properly addressed.

LOL that killed me. The way Hawke looks at Fenris, Aveline and Anders just makes that scene even more funnier. Then you have Cullen's response which is "I suppose I need not ask which of the known apostates you're talking about."

LOL

Dragon Age 2 is full of plot holes. You cast magic in front of Templars and kill hundreds of people in the streets with magic and yet the Templars never even come for you.

Lol it is funny isn't it! Cullen's gonna end up with a complex at this rate. Worst Templar ever!

[LobselVith8]

LolaLei wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think it was rushed, because it comes out of nowhere, and I don't think it makes much sense. Hawke hasn't surrendered, he has been killing templars, but Cullen thinks that it's crossing the line to kill him when he hasn't even surrendered?

Then again, Hawke can even warn Cullen about Anders plot, and he doesn't do anything. That is one plot hole that I don't think can ever be properly addressed.

Do you get the feeling that DA2 served only as the filler/interlude/set up for DA3? Like they were more interested in getting to the next big storyline?

Pretty much. It felt pretty sparse to me, and I felt that some of the potential scenerios in Dragon Age II (like the story with Magistrate Vanard and the Alienage) ended up getting lost as a result of the story setting up for the schism between the mages and the templars in Dragon Age III.

Elton John is dead wrote...

From what I remember, Varric, Isabella and Aveline were more or less neutral about everything. This means you could also have a neutral party who just wants to resolve the conflict without taking sides.

From what I recall, Varric seems to have a pro-templar viewpoint, while Isabela has a pro-mage viewpoint. Varric voices his concerns to a pro-mage Hawke about what they are doing, while he thinks they are doing the right thing with a pro-templar Hawke. Isabela is snarky to a pro-templar Hawke about how he wants to handle the mages. I know Aveline's first response is to side with the Knight-Commander, and it's addressed that she brings in illegal mages into the Circle of Kirkwall (which is the reason behind an argument that transpires between Anders and Aveline in Act II).

[LolaLei]

Varric was always easy going during my playthroughs regardless of who I sided with. So long as I was always nice to all the companions he never seemed to have a problem.

[Eternal Phoenix]

@LolaLei

Nah, Ser Varnell will always be the worst Templar.



Derp.

Ser Otto will always be the best:

 

 

That Ser Otto Alrik in Dragon Age 2 disgraced his name.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 19 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[LolaLei]

Lmao Ser Varnell is ridiculous looking!

[berelinde]

The Apocalypse is nigh. I find myself in agreement with Elton John is dead regarding Ser Vernell and DA:O's Ser Otto. The best templar ever. Forget bothering mages. There is *real* evil to fight.

Seriously, though, I would definitely like a templar companion this time around. I would prefer a moderate like Cullen for any number of reasons, but if they gave us a murderous lunatic instead, I would probably enjoy hating him. Or am I the only one that does that? Deliberately recruit characters I don't like.

[wsandista]

Cullen would be better served as a possible antagonist IMO. If the main plot is going to involve/be Mages vs. Templars, there should be at least some characters we can sympathize with on the opposing side.

As far as a templar companion yes, we've needed a one(Alistar technically doesn't count). I think that they should be moderate(or at least not like Meredith) but low-ranking(or a deserter) as well.

[HiroVoid]

berelinde wrote...

The Apocalypse is nigh. I find myself in agreement with Elton John is dead regarding Ser Vernell and DA:O's Ser Otto. The best templar ever. Forget bothering mages. There is *real* evil to fight.

Seriously, though, I would definitely like a templar companion this time around. I would prefer a moderate like Cullen for any number of reasons, but if they gave us a murderous lunatic instead, I would probably enjoy hating him. Or am I the only one that does that? Deliberately recruit characters I don't like.

It actually would be interesting to see more templars investigating areas where they believe there are abominations, demons, and where the veil is thin at like Ser Otto seemed to be doing.

Of course, it seems like DA2 retconned the ability to sense where the veil is thin as well as being templars being able to recognize mages.  Then again, 'the veil is thin' thing really only came along as a result of 'we have too many blood mages' which means they probably didn't have the ability to really go over every detail of how it works which is usually when you get plotholes.

[VampOrchid]

Jasmine96 wrote...

yes we should get a templar and it should be Cullen

agreed!!

[Lotion Soronarr]

Faerunner wrote...
I don't hate Cullen, but I find his personality type annoying. He just strikes me as a very highly strung individual that single-mindedly devotes himself to whatever cause he believes in, whether it's his pious devotion to the Maker or his paranoid crackdown on all mages. This is great for his job but it doesn't make him that much fun to be around, or reason with.

I do sympathize with Cullen's emotional trauma and the fact that he likely can't get any counseling for his problems, but he struck me as being very fussy and obsessive even before his PTSD. No matter how justified his feelings, I simply don't care for fussy or obsessive people that constantly brow-beat others about their religious devotion or their categorical hatred of people from a single group. Not only does Cullen have both of these in spades, but we already had to deal with plenty of those in DA2, thank you.

We talking about the same Cullen?
He's prolly the most reasonable templar in the series. You can actually debate with him and convince him to take it easier or spare some mages.

Compared to Anders, he's a paragon of civility and reason.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Who is that Masked Man wrote..

I can't blame post-tortured Cullen for being traumatized. I do blame him for using that as justification for killing all the surviving mages, regardless of their guilt.

Well, given that nutralizing everyone in case of such a major possesion and tearing of the veil is standard prrocedue and the smart and safe action...
It's not a nice action, but life isn't nice.

[cindercatz]

First of all, I DO NOT want the game to revolve around the Mage/Templar war. Start things off that way, fine, but don't stick me with another entire game stuck on the same issue the entire last game beat me over the head with. Second, I don't want any kind of real Templar companion because I don't want to have to split my party up early or halfway into the game again over the damn Mage/Templar war. And since we've already had two not entirely committed Templars as party members in the last two games, I don't really want one at all.

If Cullen shows up, which is fine, I at least want it acknowledged that he can be a freaking serial killer, that he's not a nice guy in everybody's playthroughs. And, seeing that, I want the option to kill him if he's not a nice guy. In fact, make it a necessary quest, opposite to the mage lover version for those that played a female mage and ended up with a good guy Cullen. Do not make him a party member, because I don't want to lose a potential party member just because I didn't play a female mage, nor do I want to brush under the rug what a monster this guy can be.

edit: You know what? Maybe one of the origin stories could start your character out as a templar in the field, and then things go along the arc you choose within your story. That way, the rest of us don't lose out in the game. And I'd play all origins, including that one, up to six. That's a lot more interesting to me.

Modifié par cindercatz, 20 avril 2012 - 08:17 .