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[ray.mitch7410]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Better question:

Why do people hate Cullen? He seems to be a tolerant Templar in DA2 and isn't like "death to all mages!" and was only as such in DA:O after the events in The Circle and can you blame him? He saw his friends turned into abominations and so his response was only natural. I'd have questioned him if he was like "I love ALL mages!" afterwards because it would scream possession IMO.

If we get to kill Cullen then we should also be able to kill all mages in our party and/or hand them over to the rebel Templars for torture and purging of the spirit. Hell, add the ability to make them tranquil! It'll be awesome and if you can meet them again as tranquils, every mage in my party will be forced into such. Bring back Anders, Merill, Morrigan and Wayne Rooney so I can make them all tranquil.

Seriously. I hope DA3 includes a extreme pro-templar option where you can make mages you capture tranquil and they should include a mage hunting mini-game where you run around trying to grab mages in bags and nets wherein you make them tranquil afterwards.

First of all, f(_)ck templars.

Secondly, yes I can blame him. His reaction is just as stupid as assuming all muslims are terrorists because of the actions of a deranged few. It's an understandable given the traumatic situation, but that doesn't make it any less stupid or irrational.

If you want to be able to kill all mages or make them tranquil, I want to be able to kill all non-mages or make them my mindless thralls via blood magic. Or kill them AND make them mindless thralls via the Spirit School and necromancy.

[ray.mitch7410]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

I don't hate him, but I continue to dislike him, in part because of his role in DAO.

I can't blame post-tortured Cullen for being traumatized. I do blame him for using that as justification for killing all the surviving mages, regardless of their guilt. Irving was also tortured, but he didn't go insane. Whereas Cullen, in his DAO epilogue, ends up as either a murdering hobo vigilante or a Meredith-style tyrant ruling the Circle through fear.

That's because they are all compromised.
A logical course of action doesn't necessarily have to be a nice one.

Yeah, that's logic... faulty logic.

How does he know he himself isn't compromised? How does he know all of the templars aren't compromised? By that logic everyone, including himself should be purged. There were blood mages and abominations everywhere, and Cullen himself enjoyed their hospitality for and extended period of time.

His reaction is one of fear, not logic.

[Eternal Phoenix]

ray.mitch7410 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Better question:

Why do people hate Cullen? He seems to be a tolerant Templar in DA2 and isn't like "death to all mages!" and was only as such in DA:O after the events in The Circle and can you blame him? He saw his friends turned into abominations and so his response was only natural. I'd have questioned him if he was like "I love ALL mages!" afterwards because it would scream possession IMO.

If we get to kill Cullen then we should also be able to kill all mages in our party and/or hand them over to the rebel Templars for torture and purging of the spirit. Hell, add the ability to make them tranquil! It'll be awesome and if you can meet them again as tranquils, every mage in my party will be forced into such. Bring back Anders, Merill, Morrigan and Wayne Rooney so I can make them all tranquil.

Seriously. I hope DA3 includes a extreme pro-templar option where you can make mages you capture tranquil and they should include a mage hunting mini-game where you run around trying to grab mages in bags and nets wherein you make them tranquil afterwards.

First of all, f(_)ck templars.

Secondly, yes I can blame him. His reaction is just as stupid as assuming all muslims are terrorists because of the actions of a deranged few. It's an understandable given the traumatic situation, but that doesn't make it any less stupid or irrational.

If you want to be able to kill all mages or make them tranquil, I want to be able to kill all non-mages or make them my mindless thralls via blood magic. Or kill them AND make them mindless thralls via the Spirit School and necromancy.

His reaction isn't stupid considering he saw all his friends (and other mages please note) turned into abominations and demons. So naturally afterwards it's not illogical for him to want magic to be dealt with once and for all but after calming down he was a tolerant templar again unlike mages who see one templar murder a mage and then go get their asses possessed by a demon and then go on a rampage killing innocent townsfolk in an attempt to defy the templars. The result is that the general public hate mages and templars stay in their jobs.

Mages should be killed for their stupidity alone.

"Damn that templar who killed my friend! I'll show him! I'll enter a pact with a demon and then go on a rampage throughout town killing innocent men, women and children! Ha! That'll show those stupid templars!" - Stupid ugly mage

Yeah it'll show them that they were right.

Mage catching mini-game + templar companion for DA3 please Bioware.

 

[LolaLei]

Oh my! That picture is glorious! But, what on earth is that thing in the mages mouth? Looks kinda like a penis. :-S

[R2s Muse]

OMG, Elton John is Dead, that is just... SO made of win! LMAO

Anyhoo, indeed, I think the Cullen haters perhaps should go rewatch what he actually says. He says that mages are dangerous and can't be treated like everyday people. Technically speaking, that's true. He doesn't ever in DA2 say to kill or tranquil all mages and in fact he's the one to stand against the Right of Annulment in the pro-templar ending, telling Meredith that mages should be watched not killed out of hand. And in the end, no matter what side you choose, he stands against Meredith's barbarities. While he's flawed, name one character in DA who's not.

[Linksys17]

Can DA3 just be about torturing and killing Cullen? Then I would buy it fo' sure

[ImperatorMortis]

Yes only if we can not recruit them,

I always play Mage, and it would be idiotic for me to let a Templar in the group.

[Wrathion]

Yes, great. Only if it's not Cullen.
If it is Cullen, Only if we get to kill him, immediately.
If we can't kill him immediately, Only if we have the choice not to recruit him.
If we don't have the choice not to recruit him ala Merrill or Anders because he's important to the plot, it will be the only reason I will not buy this game.
But yay, Templar companion.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Seriously I hope DA3 allows us to turn mage companions tranquil because all the mages are just getting on my nerves. DA4 will have us dodging mages that are being thrown at us from all directions so by God Bioware, we really need a templar companion to even everything up.

[LobselVith8]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Yes only if we can not recruit them,

I always play Mage, and it would be idiotic for me to let a Templar in the group.

That makes sense. I don't see a reason why the protagonist would allow someone into his group if they might become a serious threat to him and his goals, i.e. a pro-templar protagonist being forced to accept pro-mage apostates into his moiety crew, and vice versa. If I was a mage, I'd certainly prefer to fight alongside people who shared my goals, rather than people who would fight me to the death because they oppose mage autonomy.

[ImperatorMortis]

wait nvm this is technically a spoiler.

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 15 septembre 2012 - 11:14 .

[Shadow Fox]

LolaLei wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm amused at the hatred for a potential Templar companion.

I mean, we're force-fed mages.

Also true! The ratio of sympathetic Templars, compared to the amount of Mage's plights we encounter in DA2 is severely out numbered. Bioware hadn't wanted to portray either side as predominantly good or evil, yet all we really see is the Mages retaliating due to the Templars squeezing them too hard. Sure, we already know that not all Templars are bad but they don't show us enough of their plight.

I would have liked to spend more time around them watching them deal with lyrium addiction, Meredith's slow mental decline, see them have to kill a Mage they were friends with only watch them grief after etc.

Except you know in DA2 a good chunk of mages where shown as being just as insane as the Templars...

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 16 septembre 2012 - 06:14 .

[Shadow Fox]

LobselVith8 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Yes only if we can not recruit them,

I always play Mage, and it would be idiotic for me to let a Templar in the group.

That makes sense. I don't see a reason why the protagonist would allow someone into his group if they might become a serious threat to him and his goals, i.e. a pro-templar protagonist being forced to accept pro-mage apostates into his moiety crew, and vice versa. If I was a mage, I'd certainly prefer to fight alongside people who shared my goals, rather than people who would fight me to the death because they oppose mage autonomy.

Yet in Origins as a good character you have to drag Morrigan along with you and listen to her **** for a good chunk of the game or as a human hating elf/dwarf you have to put up with Alistair.And Hawke and crew in DA2 have to put up with Anders' whining about mages no matter what they do.

So can't always get what you want

[Rjames112]

Inclusion of a Templar companion would be interesting given the assumed storyline of DA3, offering the conflicted companion personality quite well. Whether or not it's Cullen or a new Templar character we'll have to see; but definitely a good point for inclusion

[Reaverwind]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Yet in Origins as a good character you have to drag Morrigan along with you and listen to her **** for a good chunk of the game or as a human hating elf/dwarf you have to put up with Alistair.And Hawke and crew in DA2 have to put up with Anders' whining about mages no matter what they do.

So can't always get what you want

You're incorrect on DA:O. You can tell Morrigan to take a hike as soon as you arrive in Lothering, and while you do have to put up with Alistair a good chunk of the game, he is a fellow Grey Warden with a common goal. However, Hawke being saddled with the likes of Anders or Fenris certainly made no sense depending on his/her stance, and I would hope that DA3 avoids that kind of absurdity.

[Shadow Fox]

Reaverwind wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Yet in Origins as a good character you have to drag Morrigan along with you and listen to her **** for a good chunk of the game or as a human hating elf/dwarf you have to put up with Alistair.And Hawke and crew in DA2 have to put up with Anders' whining about mages no matter what they do.

So can't always get what you want

You're incorrect on DA:O. You can tell Morrigan to take a hike as soon as you arrive in Lothering, and while you do have to put up with Alistair a good chunk of the game, he is a fellow Grey Warden with a common goal. However, Hawke being saddled with the likes of Anders or Fenris certainly made no sense depending on his/her stance, and I would hope that DA3 avoids that kind of absurdity.

Really? If so that's one more thing Origins got right that DA2 forgot about. Yeah even if you agree with him and are pro-mage he still whines at you for not doing enough.

[Reaverwind]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...


You're incorrect on DA:O. You can tell Morrigan to take a hike as soon as you arrive in Lothering, and while you do have to put up with Alistair a good chunk of the game, he is a fellow Grey Warden with a common goal. However, Hawke being saddled with the likes of Anders or Fenris certainly made no sense depending on his/her stance, and I would hope that DA3 avoids that kind of absurdity.

Really? If so that's one more thing Origins got right that DA2 forgot about. Yeah even if you agree with him and are pro-mage he still whines at you for not doing enough.

Yup - I've booted Morrigan on my mage-hating play-throughs. Boy, did I wish I could have murder-knifed Anders early on. He's a loon, he's worse than an environmentalist whining about saving [insert random wildlife here], and he hit the wrong target. 

Modifié par Reaverwind, 17 septembre 2012 - 08:42 .

[Linksys17]

@ arcane warrior mage hawke

At least in origins you have the option of being a human hating dwarf/elf...