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[XxXSarenXxX]

Is the N7 Valiant the top sniper in the game? i just unlocked rank 1 if so when does it become obsolete Example: is a level 5 Javelin better? etc. thank you.

[Terry07]

Curious. Did u just get that from a commendation?

[a ViciousFerret]

It is between the N7 Valiant and the Black Widow.

Javelin and Widow can compete with those two as well, but people that prefer those two do so for preference.

My advice: Experiment with each one, with different attachments, and decide which one you like best.

[XxXSarenXxX]

Terry07 wrote...

Curious. Did u just get that from a commendation?

Yes.

[Brettic]

I think the Black Widow is a better sniper rifle, the Valiant is pretty close though.

It's really more like a Paladin honestly.

I'd justify Black Widow being better simply because it does so much more damage. There's more recoil and a longer reload but the damage difference is noticeable.

[Shock n Awe]

Title Question: No.

Answer: Black Widow.

Valiant X might be better than the BW I, but if they're at the same level I'm going with my BW. Also, if you do reload cancelling, they have near the same reload time. Even if you shoot the BW as fast as possible, the reticle always comes to a rest (even if barely) at the point where you last shot (or very, very close to it), so everyone who complains about recoil on the BW has an invalid point. Then again, these are probably the same snipers who take cover rather than keeping the minimum body mass exposed by using full and chest high walls.

[M3A Chief]

So tell me guys. When i ask a group of people what the best weapon in the game is does that make it the best weapon in the game? Maybe but will I be able to use it like its the best weapon in the game? Questions questions questions.

[DEEZZZ]

Terry07 wrote...

Curious. Did u just get that from a commendation?

[DEEZZZ]

XxXSarenXxX wrote...

Terry07 wrote...

Curious. Did u just get that from a commendation?

Yes.

didn't see this    lol

[Wesus]

My BW x is better then the Valiant II i got ATM and i think BW wins with à slight edge

[methodshaolin]

bw does more damage but valiant shoots and reloads faster ... they're practically the same thing

[Ashen One]

I have a Valiant I, and a Black Widow IV. That being said, I use my Valiant on characters that I want to have a lighter sniper rifle without sacrificing too much power, while I give the Black Widow to most of my infiltrators. Both are amazingly powerful weapons, and I fully expect them to both be nerfed to death.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 18 avril 2012 - 09:53 .

[Grimy Bunyip]

Valiant has better sustained DPS than the black widow.
Meaning it's better on any class that isn't an infiltrator.

when you're an infiltrator though, the valiant actually fires and reloads a little too quickly. You'll find yourself completely idle waiting for your cloak cooldown to finish after firing all 3 shots and reloading with the valiant.

I'd say the black widow is better on infiltrators for this reason.
I've also noticed that the valiant's bullets aren't as accurate as the black widow.
I think that's just because the valiant has a higher rate of fire though.

they're very close. but black widow means killing with body shots whereas valiant can kill faster, but you need to get a headshot if you want to finish something off in a single bullet.

I essentially pick either or depending on how heavy my sidearm of choice will be.
If i want an N7 pistol, I'll go with the valiant to balance out the weight.

[Apl_Juice]

Widow is the best for taking down a boss, moreso if you're a Salarian Infiltrator.

Black Widow is the best on pretty much every other character; they need the other shots to get around shield gate.

Valiant is like a much better Viper. You can take down a lot of enemies with it very quickly, but it doesn't have that much use against boss enemies.

And it warrants mentioning, the Kishok is an absolute beast on anyone, IF you can get used to leading your shots.

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

N7 Valliant has a higher DPS than the Black Widow, less recoil, less weight, and a quicker reload.

Only thing the BW has really got as an advantage is the high damage, which can be an advantage in some cases. I'd only pick the BW over the Valiant if you've got a much higher level BW. The higher damage makes the weapon better on Gold in some circumstances though.

[Trakarg]

Apl_J wrote...

Widow is the best for taking down a boss, moreso if you're a Salarian Infiltrator.

Black Widow is the best on pretty much every other character; they need the other shots to get around shield gate.

Valiant is like a much better Viper. You can take down a lot of enemies with it very quickly, but it doesn't have that much use against boss enemies.

And it warrants mentioning, the Kishok is an absolute beast on anyone, IF you can get used to leading your shots.

Though, it's not as good as a widow/black widow on things like an atlas.  But yeah, the Kishock is pretty darn good.

[Ashepard]

Shock n Awe wrote...

 Even if you shoot the BW as fast as possible, the reticle always comes to a rest (even if barely) at the point where you last shot (or very, very close to it), so everyone who complains about recoil on the BW has an invalid point. Then again, these are probably the same snipers who take cover rather than keeping the minimum body mass exposed by using full and chest high walls.

Please, do explain how to minimize body mass exposed by using chest high walls. Without taking cover.

[Apl_Juice]

Ashepard wrote...

Shock n Awe wrote...

 Even if you shoot the BW as fast as possible, the reticle always comes to a rest (even if barely) at the point where you last shot (or very, very close to it), so everyone who complains about recoil on the BW has an invalid point. Then again, these are probably the same snipers who take cover rather than keeping the minimum body mass exposed by using full and chest high walls.

Please, do explain how to minimize body mass exposed by using chest high walls. Without taking cover.

You can shoot through the corner of the wall with any gun if you position yourself right. Just stand as if you're in cover on a full wall corner, but don't actually be on cover. You'll be able to see most of the enemy. Your reticule will show itself on the wall, but bullets will go through.

Its a design fault common in a LOT of third person shooters.

[InfamousResult]

Valiant is the master sniper for taking down waves of enemies, especially on Gold. BW is preferred for taking out bosses like Primes faster, but it's not as fast as the Valiant for smaller enemies, and most times it's just overkill for a weight/speed tradeoff. The Valiant's speed means you can pop off all three shots before Cloak fades, and because it's lighter, you can cloak more often.

I'll just put it this way. I have been on teams with people who use Black Widows and Widows pretty much all day on Gold. When I'm using my Valiant, I'm never not First on the scoreboard.

[Syonica]

In all honesty I might perform better with my Valiant than my BW. Still one shots troops and 2 shots marauders/centurions but does it faster. (Coulpled with my Geth Infil) But alas, the Quariain infil is my favorite character, and the BW is just to 'cool'. Destroy points either way.

[Atheosis]

I prefer it to a BW. BW's damage tends to be overkill at times, while the Valiant fires and reloads much faster. But really it's just a personal preference, and while many on this board don't seem to understand the fact, personal preference does not equate to objective superiority.

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

Trakarg wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

Widow is the best for taking down a boss, moreso if you're a Salarian Infiltrator.

Black Widow is the best on pretty much every other character; they need the other shots to get around shield gate.

Valiant is like a much better Viper. You can take down a lot of enemies with it very quickly, but it doesn't have that much use against boss enemies.

And it warrants mentioning, the Kishok is an absolute beast on anyone, IF you can get used to leading your shots.

Though, it's not as good as a widow/black widow on things like an atlas.  But yeah, the Kishock is pretty darn good.

The Kishock is GOOD?  Either you're crazy or I have no idea how to use the weapon.  How is it at all more effective than the Widow, aside from the lower weight?

Modifié par DSxCallOfBooty-, 18 avril 2012 - 10:09 .

[RazRei]

Shock n Awe wrote...

Title Question: No.

Answer: Black Widow.

Valiant X might be better than the BW I, but if they're at the same level I'm going with my BW. Also, if you do reload cancelling, they have near the same reload time. Even if you shoot the BW as fast as possible, the reticle always comes to a rest (even if barely) at the point where you last shot (or very, very close to it), so everyone who complains about recoil on the BW has an invalid point. Then again, these are probably the same snipers who take cover rather than keeping the minimum body mass exposed by using full and chest high walls.

hmmmmm

Damage wise the BW 1 does 514.1
Damage wise the BW X does 642.6

Damage wise the Valiant I does 317.2
Damage wise the Valiant X does 396.5

DPS wise the BW I does 514.10
DPS wise the BW X does 642.6

DPS wise the Valiant I does 528.67
DPS wise the Valiant X does 660.83

The main saving grace of the BW has a built in armor penetration.  Other then that the Valiant out classes the BW like the BW out classes the Javelin/Widow.

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...
The Kishock is GOOD?  Either you're
crazy or I have no idea how to use the weapon.  How is it at all more
effective than the Widow, aside from the lower weight?

Harpoon Rifle X Charged > Cloaked > OHK Headshot on a Phantom in a gold game

The Kishock is really good if you host, if you charge it, and if you can hit your target with it...

Modifié par RazRei, 18 avril 2012 - 10:13 .

[Ashen One]

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...

Trakarg wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

Widow is the best for taking down a boss, moreso if you're a Salarian Infiltrator.

Black Widow is the best on pretty much every other character; they need the other shots to get around shield gate.

Valiant is like a much better Viper. You can take down a lot of enemies with it very quickly, but it doesn't have that much use against boss enemies.

And it warrants mentioning, the Kishok is an absolute beast on anyone, IF you can get used to leading your shots.

Though, it's not as good as a widow/black widow on things like an atlas.  But yeah, the Kishock is pretty darn good.

The Kishock is GOOD?  Either you're crazy or I have no idea how to use the weapon.  How is it at all more effective than the Widow, aside from the lower weight?

It bypasses the shield gate.