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[Scooter79rs]

I don't like the Black Widow due to how slow is it and its weight combined with the fact it just can't one shot like how the Widow can. With the N7 Valient with the AP mod I can shred through enemies much faster then the Black Widow thanks to the Valients much faster reload time and lack of recoil between shots, I one shot Guardiens if I hit the head on Silver while shooting through their shield.

[Delta 57 Dash]

I like the Valiant better than the Black Widow, but they are both superb rifles.

Valiant shoots faster, reloads WAY faster, weighs less, and has more reserve ammo.

BW hits harder and has innate AP.

I find myself forced to take the Spare Ammo mod for the BW, while I can take both Damage and AP for the Valiant, which lets me literally snipe through walls with my GI's Wallh4x. Plus with Hunter Mode active, the valiant shoots really darn fast.

TL;DR: Pick whichever one you want. BW is probably better on Silver (Shield Gate mechanics), Valiant is better on bronze (low health ftw), It's a toss-up on Gold.

[mijames1]

I prefer the Valiant over the BW. Its my play style and the fact that I play on XBL so canceling is unreliable so I really prefer the speed of the Valiant.

[Ponei]

To answer your question, no.

[Yigorse]

At equivalent rank, I think the Valiant's a better weapon, you'll probably end up with the Black widow at a higher rank if you buy enough packs though. ATM Valiant is limited to being unlocked once every fortnight or so, and there's no guarantee you'll get the Valiant over any of the other weapons. Going to take a while this one.

[Chugster]

actually you cant get a Valiant III, CE owners only get them for SP....only 2 N7 weapons have been realeased for MP so II is the highest rank you can get

[golyoscsapagy]

For infiltrators who love to be useless on gold Valiant is the way to go.
For infiltrators who are half idiots and think they should snipe trash while the team has an adept BW is the way to go.

For any other class Javelin does the most possible damage in any timeframe.

[molecularman]

Paladin is the best sniper rifle

[mcjihge2]

I dont have the BW in MP, but i have used it in the SP. I didnt get along with is at all becasue im not that good a sniper. But i do have the Valiant in the MP and can attest that for someone who is not good at sniping it is a very forgiving and rewarding weapon - In fact i would go so far as say that its the best "noob" friendly sniper in any game ive played, and for me the best sniper rifle. Although i do like the Orion in borderlands.

3 rounds in the clip, no kick back, fast ROF and fast reload.

[X2-Elijah]

Scooter79rs wrote...

I don't like the Black Widow due to how slow is it and its weight combined with the fact it just can't one shot like how the Widow can. With the N7 Valient with the AP mod I can shred through enemies much faster then the Black Widow thanks to the Valients much faster reload time and lack of recoil between shots, I one shot Guardiens if I hit the head on Silver while shooting through their shield.

After a number of gold rounds with the Widow - just as an alternative to the BW I am accustomed to..

How is a Widow one-shotting stuff, exactly? Most enemies have shields. I've never ben able to damage shields AND health at the same time with one shot (unless you hit an explosive mine on an engineers back).

[Renew81]

Highlord Heian wrote...

Shock n Awe wrote...

Title Question: No.

Answer: Black Widow.

Valiant X might be better than the BW I, but if they're at the same level I'm going with my BW. Also, if you do reload cancelling, they have near the same reload time. Even if you shoot the BW as fast as possible, the reticle always comes to a rest (even if barely) at the point where you last shot (or very, very close to it), so everyone who complains about recoil on the BW has an invalid point.

It's not the reticule not "returning" to the same point, but the amount of time it takes for this, as well as the screen vibration from each shot making it hard to track moving targets, the incredibly long reload time, the incredibly high weight, and the fact that you can't fire all three shots with the damage bonus from Tac Cloak.

So...the only one with an invalid point here is your strawman argument.

The ammount of time it takes , hard to track targets , long reload time , High weight ,
cannot fire all 3 shots while cloaked..  sounds like a good sniper rifle to me..

if this gun would have its weight reduces , fast return after a shot , faster reload time ,
and being able to fire all shots while cloaked it would be over powered.
so in my opinion iam happy these things are as they are.


@OP

N7 Valiant is a good rifle as well though i would use the black widow
but its personal preference , i think you need to use both of them
during the rounds you play so you get a feeling for it yourself and
can judge for yourself , just because someone else might say its
good / better then xxxxx  doesnt make it true for everyone.

[Slakky]

From a pure score standpoint, the Valiant is way better. It kills common and lieutenants with as many shots as the BW, and it does it a lot faster.

In terms of team play the BW can be a much more effective big game hunter, which may matter more depending on the team. It's not gonna be pills for your eBoner though.

[Ninefingers79]

I find I'm much more effective with the Valiant as I'm not a great sniper and it's much more forgiving of missing a shot (because of faster firing rate, lower recoil and faster reloading) here or there than the Black Widow.

[golyoscsapagy]

Slakky wrote...

From a pure score standpoint, the Valiant is way better. It kills common and lieutenants with as many shots as the BW, and it does it a lot faster.

In terms of team play the BW can be a much more effective big game hunter, which may matter more depending on the team. It's not gonna be pills for your eBoner though.

It doesn't deal 2,2k damage per shot so sorry, no. It won't kill properly. Sure on bronze it's good, but again you can go there and beat up stuff with a krogan d*ck.

[esalor]

I would gladly give up half the guns I have in MP to have the Valiant... Stupid random numbers.

[ZeroDivision]

There's a lot of math that's wrong in this thread.

Take a look at this post: http://social.biowar...ndex/11488278/1

Edit - I'd like to mention that the Javelin tops the BW by 11% when killing large targets even without the Geth Damage Bonus from a Geth Infiltrator.. If necessary I will post that math here.

Modifié par ZeroDivision, 19 avril 2012 - 11:46 .

[SiIencE]

Hmm.. Now that i have my Valliant I and i was hoping for a BW... (i'm guessing i'll get it soon now...)
I'm guessing that the Valliant I is better the BW I. So it's better to just stick with the Valliant then..

I wonder where the 'turning point' is at let's say Valliant 1 = BW V?

I use the Valliant on my Infiltrators QI and SI but also on my GI (geth engineer) since i use my turret as 'decoy' + overload = pew pew pew. I've tried with the M6-Carniflex and M96-Mattock but the Valliant felt better and more effective. I don't use a sidearm on any.

[Suburban Maniac]

The valiant is by far my favorite gun. 3 quick shots = 3 dead troopers. Also, the idea that it is ineffective on large bosses is just wrong. Throw AP on it and game over. 4 headshots for shields and 4 for armor. Plus, useing the gun is fun because everyone In your game will /cry because they got an Eagle.

[golyoscsapagy]

ZeroDivision wrote...

There's a lot of math that's wrong in this thread.

Take a look at this post: http://social.biowar...ndex/11488278/1

Edit - I'd like to mention that the Javelin tops the BW by 11% when killing large targets even without the Geth Damage Bonus from a Geth Infiltrator.. If necessary I will post that math here.

Pity you have your math whole wrong there, but nice try.
Just a few pointers:

Ammo powers and headshot damage is additional, not multiplicative.
The 40% sniper rifle damage from cloak however increases base damage.
Iteration times are borked.

Well, at least you can add two numbers together... kindof... so it's a good start.

[SmokePants]

I would kill for a Valiant. I hate all the sniper rifles I have (Mantis, Incisor, Raptor, Widow, Viper), which is a problem, because I'd prefer to play Infiltrator and take advantage of their SR bonuses. But the Mantis is a starter weapon, The Incisor is pathetic, the Raptor is weak, and the Widow is too heavy and slow to reload. No interest in the Black Widow, I crave the speed and stability of the Valiant.

By the time I get one, I'll probably be burned out on the game.

Oh well, at least I have a Salarian Engineer and a Paladin. Heads go pop.

Modifié par SmokePants, 19 avril 2012 - 12:02 .

[ZeroDivision]

golyoscsapagy wrote...]

Pity you have your math whole wrong there, but nice try.
Just a few pointers:

Ammo powers and headshot damage is additional, not multiplicative.
The 40% sniper rifle damage from cloak however increases base damage.
Iteration times are borked.

Unfortunately you are wrong here.

1 - They are multiplicative. See: http://social.biowar.../index/10639449
2 - This bonus is treated exactly like a weapon damage bonus, and is factored as such in my math.
3 - How are they wrong? 

Lets break one down: Total Iteraion Time: (((60 / 60) * ( 3 - 1)) + 2.97) % 3 = 3 seconds

What you have here is one minute in seconds divided by the RPM to get the number of seconds per bullet as 1. Next we multiply that by the number of shots in a clip disregarding the first shot as it has no delay before firing. Finally we add the reload time. Now, because you can cancel reload animations with other animations, power uses, or consumable uses we truncate it to 3 seconds assuming the reload time + shot time is > 3 but the total shot iteration is < 3. This is because the refresh time on cloak is 3 seconds if you cloak+fire rather than letting it time down, and activating cloak will remove 1.97 seconds of the BW's reload due to the way it's timed.

Modifié par ZeroDivision, 19 avril 2012 - 12:16 .

[wolfsite]

Just depends on your p[lay style.

I find the Valiant better overall due to the speed it offers (Shoot and reload) which make it very useful when faced with multiple enemies in close proximity to each other (One match a vanguard got in trouble and was about to be taken down by three troopers, managed to kill one and hit the other two causing them to lurch back which gave an opening for the vanguard to finish them off).

Plus the lighter weight gives me qiucker power response which helps when I need to cloak and run in to secure a point or rescue a downed squad mate.

Finally got a Sniper extended barrel now also which is a big help.

[Lajkos]

XxXSarenXxX wrote...

Is the N7 Valiant the top sniper in the game? i just unlocked rank 1 if so when does it become obsolete Example: is a level 5 Javelin better? etc. thank you.

imo valiant is the best there is. ppl tend to like BW more becaus it "feel" more powerful, but you don't need more power than the valiant and it's speed makes it the best