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[DaJe]

Tang McGame wrote...

FemShep looked like a woman in the first two games. In ME3, she looked like a girl. Yeah, I was pretty disappointed with the changes BW made to her.

That sums up my feeling with less words.

[tier.engel]

I liked how Anderson implies at the beginning of ME3 that femshep is getting "a little soft around the middle" lol
im not exactly sure what he means. Her outfit is painted on.

[Kaelef]

The Woldan wrote...

Broshep has pretty much the physique of a middleweight boxer. Femshep has the physique of an office worker.

Exactly.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

The Woldan wrote...

Anorexic, fat..........what about athletic?
Thats what I expect the savior of the galaxy to be, hauling around guns that weigh 20lbs plus in heavy armor all day long requires a strong physique.

And yes, FemShep does have stick arms, I mean, her arms aren't much thicker then her humerus bone.
Jessica Biel looked like a capable female warrior in Blade trinity without being, fat, butch or looking like a bodybuilder.

This is incorrect.  B/c Jessica Biel is not to be refferred to as anything but a goddess...I don't think you realize the blasphemy you spat out.

Also, I'm suprised the political correctness of this place hasn't shut down this thread yet.  Anorexic is sorta like using the "R" word is it not?....I mean it probably makes some ppl uncomfortable.

[SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil]

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

Her bare arms are so thin they make me cringe sometimes. How could she beat the crap out of anyone, possibly even a crewmember on her ship, with arms like those? The only good thing about the DLC hoodie is that they cover her arms up. Consequently, I have her running around the ship in her dress blues.

Anyways, this is just one of those things that totally draws me out of the game.

One of the fiercest female fighters I have ever come across(have been working as a martial arts instructor for nearly a decade in earlier days), has pretty much Femshep's body build. She was around 5'2", but easily owned a "normally trained" 6' dude... would be careful with judging an arm (or leg) by its diameter... same goes for temper and level of expertise in doing what you're doing...

P.S.: FemShep seems a lot taller than that... so even more destructive potential...

[Giant ambush beetle]

would be careful with judging an arm (or leg) by its diameter.

I wouldn't. When I started weight lifting I could barely biceps-curl 33lbs, my arm was skinny, almost like a stick, weak.
Now two years later I can curl 8 reps 4 stints 74 lbs per arm...and guess what? My biceps is now three times bigger. Unless magic is involved, a muscle gets bigger when it gets stronger. Simple physics. Thats why most professional martial arts fighters are buff, they don't bulk up just because it looks nice.  

Modifié par The Woldan , 19 avril 2012 - 10:11 .

[Calibrategoodtimes]

No time for eating pals, i got a starchild to see.

[Sporothrix]

SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil wrote...

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

Her bare arms are so thin they make me cringe sometimes. How could she beat the crap out of anyone, possibly even a crewmember on her ship, with arms like those? The only good thing about the DLC hoodie is that they cover her arms up. Consequently, I have her running around the ship in her dress blues.

Anyways, this is just one of those things that totally draws me out of the game.

One of the fiercest female fighters I have ever come across(have been working as a martial arts instructor for nearly a decade in earlier days), has pretty much Femshep's body build. She was around 5'2", but easily owned a "normally trained" 6' dude... would be careful with judging an arm (or leg) by its diameter... same goes for temper and level of expertise in doing what you're doing...

P.S.: FemShep seems a lot taller than that... so even more destructive potential...

Shep is not just a fierce figter, even the most inconspicuous person could have amazing technique.
Shep is genetically enhanced soldier. Alliance military among the others enhance their soldiers strength and  it must have some effect on muscle growth. And since ME2, she has also terminator stuff in her body. 

Just compare MaleShep to FemShep's body. They gave him amazing musculature, and FemShep got anorexic look (like most other women). It tells much about devs actually and goes in pair with new Ashley's appearance.

Modifié par misoretu9, 19 avril 2012 - 10:25 .

[Sharn01]

The Woldan wrote...

would be careful with judging an arm (or leg) by its diameter.

I wouldn't. When I started weight lifting I could barely biceps-curl 33lbs, my arm was skinny, almost like a stick, weak.
Now two years later I can curl 8 reps 4 stints 74 lbs per arm...and guess what? My biceps is now three times bigger. Unless magic is involved, a muscle gets bigger when it gets stronger. Simple physics. Thats why most professional martial arts fighters are buff, they don't bulk up just because it looks nice.  

You would be very wrong.  First, weight lifting in general tends to bulk up muscles because of the way it isolates them, it actually bulks them up faster then strength tends to increase, the doesnt mean body builders are not strong, just that a farmer could be just as strong from bailing hay and hard work but never get that large or defined.  Eventually the bodybuilder would exceed the strength of the farmer, simply because the farmer will never get stronger then he needs to be for his work, while the body builder will keep increasing the weight and reps.

When I was younger I lifted weights but did so for strength and not looks, at my strongest I was benching just over 400 lbs, and squatting a little over 1200, my arms never got bigger then 20 inches, there where guys with much larger arms who could not lift as much as I could.

[The Love Runner]

DaJe wrote...

Tang McGame wrote...

FemShep looked like a woman in the first two games. In ME3, she looked like a girl. Yeah, I was pretty disappointed with the changes BW made to her.

That sums up my feeling with less words.

This thought came into my mind with the default femshep of ME3. She does look noticeably younger than other presets.

As for why? It's like Anderson said: She was getting a little soft around the edges. Lol.

[SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil]

Sharn01 wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

would be careful with judging an arm (or leg) by its diameter.

I wouldn't. When I started weight lifting I could barely biceps-curl 33lbs, my arm was skinny, almost like a stick, weak.
Now two years later I can curl 8 reps 4 stints 74 lbs per arm...and guess what? My biceps is now three times bigger. Unless magic is involved, a muscle gets bigger when it gets stronger. Simple physics. Thats why most professional martial arts fighters are buff, they don't bulk up just because it looks nice.  

You would be very wrong.  First, weight lifting in general tends to bulk up muscles because of the way it isolates them, it actually bulks them up faster then strength tends to increase, the doesnt mean body builders are not strong, just that a farmer could be just as strong from bailing hay and hard work but never get that large or defined.  Eventually the bodybuilder would exceed the strength of the farmer, simply because the farmer will never get stronger then he needs to be for his work, while the body builder will keep increasing the weight and reps.

When I was younger I lifted weights but did so for strength and not looks, at my strongest I was benching just over 400 lbs, and squatting a little over 1200, my arms never got bigger then 20 inches, there where guys with much larger arms who could not lift as much as I could.

Pretty much what I was going to say. It really depends on HOW you train your muscles. Farmers, as well as martial artists, NOT training for a TV career tend to have rather "long" muscle strains, instead of "bulky" ones. Why? Because it allows for more endurance (weight you carry) and speed(explosiveness of the muscle, similar to a rubber band), while sacrificing very little overall power. A James Vega would be able to stand more punishment until he drops, but he'd be hit 10 times before he'd be able to hit once... and we are NOT talking boxing ring/cage/whatever competition... we're talking weak spots... throat, groin, knees, temple (for humans that would be). Speed is far more deadly than you might imagine.

It's about getting the job done - fast!

misoretu9 wrote...
Shep is not just a fierce figter, even the most inconspicuous person could have amazing technique.
Shep
is genetically enhanced soldier. Alliance military among the others
enhance their soldiers strength and  it must have some effect on muscle
growth. And since ME2, she has also terminator stuff in her body. 

Just
compare MaleShep to FemShep's body. They gave him amazing musculature,
and FemShep got anorexic look (like most other women). It tells much
about devs actually and goes in pair with new Ashley's
appearance.

Shep is not genetically, but cybernatically enhanced... one more reason, why there would be NO reason to make her more muscular than she was in ME1. If (and we... at least I... don't know that) her muscular structure is actually artificial and superior - why make it look bulky?

[Giant ambush beetle]

Why? Because it allows for more endurance (weight you carry) and speed(explosiveness of the muscle, similar to a rubber band), while sacrificing vry little overall power.

Wow, what a load of utter BS. According to your theory all boxers would be very skinny looking because thin ''rubber band muscles'' is all they need for their explosive punches. Real world tells a different story, you clearly have no idea how a muscle works.
For example, you need explosive strength for Bench pressing - and you know how professional bench pressers look like? The have a very big upper body to create enough torque to lift the weight. For bench pressing you train all the muscles required for a hard punch, the trapecius, triceps, chest and shoulder.

A James Vega would be able to stand more punishment until he drops, but he'd be hit 10 times before he'd be able to hit once... and we are NOT talking boxing ring/cage/whatever competition...

You're talking about technique alone. Good fighting technique is nothing without power and visa versa, you need both to be a good fighter. Power comes from muscles, and as we all know muscles get bigger in diameter when they get stronger, simple as that., pure physics, no magic. 
Start to exercise and get some first hand experience before spreading BS.

There is no magical rubber band muscle, thats the excuse of lazy skinny people that think they're incredibly strong and can kick everyones behind even though they have a weak below average body. They're not even faster than muscular people.
I guess that gives you a nice self confidence boost, but its a lie.

Just look at all the people that make a living of fighting other people, they're bulked up to do as much damage as possible with their fists; they're are as efficient as possible. If big muscles would slow them down they wouldn't have them, if thin rubber band muscles would make them hard hitters they would have them.

Modifié par The Woldan , 19 avril 2012 - 11:43 .

[matthewmi]

Looks fine to me, looks athletic and healthy.

[SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil]

The Woldan wrote...

Why? Because it allows for more endurance (weight you carry) and speed(explosiveness of the muscle, similar to a rubber band), while sacrificing vry little overall power.

Wow, what a load of utter BS. According to your theory all boxers would be very skinny looking because thin ''rubber band muscles'' is all they need for their explosive punches. Real world tells a different story, you clearly have no idea how a muscle works.
For example, you need explosive strength for Bench pressing - and you know how professional bench pressers look like? The have a very big upper body to create enough torque to lift the weight. For bench pressing you train all the muscles required for a hard punch, the trapecius, triceps, chest and shoulder.

A James Vega would be able to stand more punishment until he drops, but he'd be hit 10 times before he'd be able to hit once... and we are NOT talking boxing ring/cage/whatever competition...

You're talking about technique alone. Good fighting technique is nothing without power and visa versa, you need both to be a good fighter. Power comes from muscles, and as we all know muscles get bigger in diameter when they get stronger, simple as that., pure physics, no magic. 
Start to exercise and get some first hand experience before spreading BS.

There is no magical rubber band muscle, thats the excuse of lazy skinny people that think they're incredibly strong and can kick everyones behind even though they have a weak below average body. They're not even faster than muscular people.
I guess that gives you a nice self confidence boost, but its a lie.

Just look at all the people that make a living of fighting other people, they're bulked up to do as much damage as possible with their fists; they're are as efficient as possible. If big muscles would slow them down they wouldn't have them, if thin rubber band muscles would make them hard hitters they would have them.

Your comment pretty much tells me, that you are either not reading what is spelled out in front of you, or you are being ignorant.

First of all, there ARE two ways to train your muscles. Either you bulk them up, or you train them to be long and sleek. Bodybuilders & Boxers for example need to do that. The first need is to look good, the second need is the smashing power of overall weight, as their rules don't allow for alternative ways.

A swimmer, a marathon runner, a blabla endurance sportsman will always train for the long muscle... (I never said they don't have a muscular look about them) a boxer, american football player, a (for the sake of it) bodybuilder will always go for the bulky muscles... cause they either need the gained force (weight), or the looks.

What you don't seem to be willing to take into account is that weak spots (saking again: Throat, groin, etc etc) do NOT need this "power". Speed, combined with a (sleek) muscular build does far more damage if you are not competing in a "ring" kind of environment. Stabbing the eyes of a 200 pound dude WILL hurt him, but it won't be strength that achieves this, it's speed.

Of course there are different kinds of people, those who bring the bulk, and those who bring the speed. Each will train individually to achieve their perfect style of fighting. This is where we come to professional fighting again. Why are there no wiry fighters around, kicking ass? Easy enough to explain... there are RULES in those fights. A heavy hitter will always f*** you up if you can't "weigh" back, and you are stripped of dirty tricks. Try the same thing on the streets... I'd say, you better shouldn't.

One last thing... it's easy to call someone out on the internet. I have fought on the highest rankings in europe for years, full contact as a professional, have been training for over 20 years... I'd like to see you spell BS out for me face to face... just thinking... :innocent:

[bclagge]

The Woldan wrote...

Why? Because it allows for more endurance (weight you carry) and speed(explosiveness of the muscle, similar to a rubber band), while sacrificing vry little overall power.

Wow, what a load of utter BS. According to your theory all boxers would be very skinny looking because thin ''rubber band muscles'' is all they need for their explosive punches. Real world tells a different story, you clearly have no idea how a muscle works.
For example, you need explosive strength for Bench pressing - and you know how professional bench pressers look like? The have a very big upper body to create enough torque to lift the weight. For bench pressing you train all the muscles required for a hard punch, the trapecius, triceps, chest and shoulder.

A James Vega would be able to stand more punishment until he drops, but he'd be hit 10 times before he'd be able to hit once... and we are NOT talking boxing ring/cage/whatever competition...

You're talking about technique alone. Good fighting technique is nothing without power and visa versa, you need both to be a good fighter. Power comes from muscles, and as we all know muscles get bigger in diameter when they get stronger, simple as that., pure physics, no magic. 
Start to exercise and get some first hand experience before spreading BS.

There is no magical rubber band muscle, thats the excuse of lazy skinny people that think they're incredibly strong and can kick everyones behind even though they have a weak below average body. They're not even faster than muscular people.
I guess that gives you a nice self confidence boost, but its a lie.

Just look at all the people that make a living of fighting other people, they're bulked up to do as much damage as possible with their fists; they're are as efficient as possible. If big muscles would slow them down they wouldn't have them, if thin rubber band muscles would make them hard hitters they would have them.

I'm not totally sure why I'm responding, but here goes...

First off, boxing is in weight classes.  Smaller boxes can hit pretty damn hard but a heavier boxer has more weight behind the punch.  It's not so much about strength as it is about weight in the very specific case of boxing.  Second point along those lines is that heavy boxers are NOT as efficient as possible.  They tire out much faster than an equally trained but lighter counter part.  A smart, smaller boxer would just run a heavy boxer around the ring for a few rounds before fully engaging.

Ok, next "rubber band" is a way of describing the elasticity of muscles.  Muscles have a resting position, as it were, and when pull it out of that position it naturally wants to return to that position.  Not unlike... stretching a rubber band!  You use muscle elasticity to deliver additional power than just the contraction of the muscle.

About bench pressing - there is no such thing as a professional bench presser.  There are power lifters, for whom ONE of the competitive lifts is the bench press.  Power lifters train specifically to lift as much weight as possible, ONE TIME.  As a general rule of thumb, they don't have much endurance to speak of.  Training for endurance is a waste of their time as it's not needed.

On the topic of bench pressing, let's discuss functional strength.  Functional strength is strength to perform activities used in daily life.  It's not just about the strength of one muscle or the strength to perform one specific lift, it's about all of your muscles working in tandem to deliver power.  A power lifter might be able to bench 600 pounds but not be able to deliver a punch half as hard as an MMA fighter who weighs 180 pounds.  Functional training is the bread and butter of martial artists.

My point there is that a soldier such as FemShep would have great functional strength but probably doesn't sit in the gym and lift weights, unlike Vega who honestly I'm surprised doesn't get winded passing a fart since all he does is lift weights.  I don't ever see him doing cardio down in the cargo bay.

"Power
comes from muscles, and as we all know muscles get bigger in diameter
when they get stronger, simple as that., pure physics, no magic. "

See functional strength above.  But yes, you develop more muscle fibers as you get stronger, but it's not as extreme as you seem to think it is.  Body building, which is exceedingly popular these days, is all about building BIG muscles, not strong ones.  Yes, the two roughly go hand in hand but not at the same rate.  Someone lifting to build power will not get nearly as large as someone lifting because they want to look good naked.  Which was the point that SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil was trying to make.  Small, wiry, sinewy people can be exceedindly strong despite small size.  I would suggest looking up the difference between type A and type 2B muscle fibers.

TL;DR - muscle elasticity, functional strength, type A & 2B muscle fibers and

[Jestina]

bclagge wrote...
My point there is that a soldier such as FemShep would have great functional strength but probably doesn't sit in the gym and lift weights, unlike Vega who honestly I'm surprised doesn't get winded passing a fart since all he does is lift weights.  I don't ever see him doing cardio down in the cargo bay.

Pretty much what I thought about Vega.  Military personnel train for endurance not to be big and bulky. They primarily do a lot of cardio/aerobic exercising.

[Han Shot First]

Fabia6 wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

If Bioware ever makes a Mass Effect IV, I think they should go with someone like Gina Carano (female mixed martial artist) as sort of template for Fem Shep. She looks like she can kick some serious @ss, but without being unattactive. Win-win.

She's an excellent example.  Definitely a good counterpart to BroShep's ideal male body.

body of a bodybuilder/martial artist is alot different from that of a soldier

Not necessarily.

I served four years in the US Marine Corps, and knew plenty of people who were built like MMA fighters. While I served in an all male unit (combat related MOS's were all male), an MMA fighter's build would not be unrealistic for either males or females. So long as they were healthy and had good scores on their physical fitness tests, there wouldn't be any issues.

Admiral Stark (USN) said it best, "Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans,
because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and
mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense.
They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat."

Modifié par Han Shot First, 20 avril 2012 - 04:37 .

[MelancholyV]

They just made her too petite. I certainly wish she had more muscle on her, but nope... ah well.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

The Woldan wrote...

would be careful with judging an arm (or leg) by its diameter.

I wouldn't. When I started weight lifting I could barely biceps-curl 33lbs, my arm was skinny, almost like a stick, weak.
Now two years later I can curl 8 reps 4 stints 74 lbs per arm...and guess what? My biceps is now three times bigger. Unless magic is involved, a muscle gets bigger when it gets stronger. Simple physics. Thats why most professional martial arts fighters are buff, they don't bulk up just because it looks nice.  

Yes, because 8 reps is within the hypertrophy range.

The Woldan wrote...

Why? Because it allows for
more endurance (weight you carry) and speed(explosiveness of the muscle,
similar to a rubber band), while sacrificing vry little overall power.

Wow,
what a load of utter BS. According to your theory all boxers would be
very skinny looking because thin ''rubber band muscles'' is all they
need for their explosive punches. Real world tells a different story,
you clearly have no idea how a muscle works.
For example, you need
explosive strength for Bench pressing - and you know how professional
bench pressers look like? The have a very big upper body to create
enough torque to lift the weight. For bench pressing you train all the
muscles required for a hard punch, the trapecius, triceps, chest and
shoulder.

Any boxing fan will tell you that size is not indicative of punching power, like at all. Why certain individuals possess that magical 1-hit ko power is quite mysterious, many trainers and boxers believe it is a god-given gift. and before you misconsrue that, I'm sure the meaning behind that is that it's genetic more than anything. Also the thing about bench pressing is incorrect, most of the drive comes from the lower body. Would it help though? Idw, it's a popular argument that isn't really settled.
Please don't ask for examples, that would be embarassing.

[PsychoMMantis]

She is definitely not Anorexic.

[freche]

holdenagincourt wrote...

Yeah FemShep should have an about 90 degree muzzle climb per shot on pretty much every weapon. Those stick arms have always bothered me.

For that there would be quite bad weapon design or you would hold the weapon wrong. 

[twisty77]

Jynthor wrote...

Anorexic or not, I'm pretty sure we can all agree she's way too skinny.

Nope. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[LilyasAvalon]

And this is why I like dwarfs. You're chunky no matter what gender you are.

[Sir Fluffykins]

I just couldn't get over how NOT like the promotional art the in-game FemShep looked.

That pouting mouth was NOT on the winning FemShep

Also when she runs...what in the world, I loaded up ME1 and Femshep there walks and runs...naturally. Femshep in ME3 runs like she's got a storage chest strapped to her behind.