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[bahamutomega]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

To me, the "I don't want to spend the game looking at a man" sentiment always comes off as latent homophobia, insecurity in one's sexuality, or just really shallow. I have no problem playing a FemShep (usually my second or third run), but at least come up with a better reason than that. I also find it kind of funny that the "fix" for the "problem" of being too hetero to look at a male character is to role play as a woman.

really?  homophobia?  i didn't realize that playing a female as a male made me a homophobe..  wow, am i glad you cleared that one up.

insecure?  nope, can't get me there either.  i played WoW as a female toon, for chrissakes.  if i'm in WoW flirting with male toons, i have no issues with insecurity.

shallow...  eh... maybe...  but ask yourself...  when my wife/girlfriend comments on another guy being sexy... do i really look at him?  my wife has commented on other good looking men.  my response?  i don't rate other guys.  it's not something i do.  i don't ask my wife to rate other women.  i may look at another woman and think "damn, she's sexy." but i don't think that's shallow.  it becomes shallow if i proposition her or ask my wife to rate her looks.

also, for the record, my wife plays games and knows i play female toons.  however, when i'm in-game with her, i tend to play male toons (usually alts, but we run them up to level together).  although it is amusing having my fem toon /flirt with her fem toon during raids.  we can tell we've been raiding too long when the raid leader gets distracted by the emotes.

finally...

i think the first reason (i) listed was because i can't stand robotShep.  the deadpanned "I can't believe it's you Joker" from the beginning of ME2 destroyed all images in my head of a human being.  there is no disbelief in his voice.  there is no tone in his voice at all.  i have heard arguments that femShep sometimes overdoes it, but overdoing it is better than not doing it at all.

[pikey1969]

HellbirdIV wrote...

tekkaman fear wrote...

Only time in the entire trilogy Femshep didn't feel right was the sparring match with vega. That just felt very wrong. This huge guy punching her in the head and not knocking the hell outta her was kinda unbelievable. I wish they would have had a different scene for femshep.

That's pretty damn sexist of you - women are biologically more tolerant to pain than men, as I recall, and Shepard is one hell of a strong woman.

Headbutting Gatatog Uvenk, anyone? Snapping Eclipse merc's necks in less than half a second? Yeah, clearly she could never stand up in a straight fight with a MAN...

Not about gender. Femshep is about half the size of Vega.

Sure people argue size doesn't matter in a fight, but in a straight up fist-trade-off that Femshep engages in with Vega? It looks off.

[CDHarrisUSF]

bahamutomega wrote...

really?  homophobia?  i didn't realize that playing a female as a male made me a homophobe..  wow, am i glad you cleared that one up.

insecure?  nope, can't get me there either.  i played WoW as a female toon, for chrissakes.  if i'm in WoW flirting with male toons, i have no issues with insecurity.

I was listing three different possibilities (as in, not all of them are or have to be true at the same time for the same person for the overall statement to be true) for using that as the primary reason to play a female character. Pay careful attention to the use of the word OR instead of AND in the list.

If that's the only reason you play as a woman, I don't see how it can be anything but at least one of those three options. Assuming that is the case (otherwise there is nothing to discuss as my statement does not apply), either you just want to look at a woman's ass and it's shallow (it is)... or you are oddly averse to seeing an almost always fully clothed man from behind (usually from the waist up and fully armored) for some reason, in which case I imagine life must be torture because there are male backs everywhere.

bahamutomega wrote...

shallow... eh... maybe

So, why are you arguing again?

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 19 avril 2012 - 07:46 .

[bahamutomega]

pikey1969 wrote...

Not about gender. Femshep is about half the size of Vega.

Sure people argue size doesn't matter in a fight, but in a straight up fist-trade-off that Femshep engages in with Vega? It looks off.

having seen the "sparring" match as both maleShep and femShep, it all seems off.  something about the movement.  and no, i'm not talking about the patterned punching (although the fact that they only seem to use the three same punches in the same sequence is a little amusing).  it just doesn't seem like there were two people on the motion capture stage when they did that.  the punches look more like they may have been thrown against the training pads that someone (not being captured) was wearing.

i don't know, i've only studied martial arts for a short time (less than 5 years, and this was more than 5 years ago).  but body language says a lot, and this is what i get from the scene.

[Ultra Prism]

Finally someone shares my view too ... I did same with my Canon Shepard (guy default look)... my shepard is me ... i beliefs, my morals and so on... just hope I can make right choice in ending to Iget the extended cut DLC the way I want it ... Liara is my romance favorite and want to keep to her promise ... come on bioware show me

my best friend, his reason is to play female first because he wants to see girl on girl action, well yes you can see he is perverted ... but he argues that he like strong independent woman ... he works on character design and stuff so he is more interested in design Shepard as character not a potrayal of himself ... which is cool by me ...

[bahamutomega]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...
I was listing three different possibilities (as in, not all of them are or have to be true at the same time for the same person for the overall statement to be true) for using that as the primary reason to play a female character. Pay careful attention to the use of the word OR instead of AND in the list.

If that's the only reason you play as a woman, I don't see how it can be anything but at least one of those three options. Assuming that is the case (otherwise there is nothing to discuss as my statement does not apply), either you just want to look at a woman's ass and it's shallow (it is)... or you are oddly averse to seeing an almost always fully clothed man from behind (usually from the waist up and fully armored) for some reason, in which case I imagine life must be torture because there are male backs everywhere.
So, why are you arguing again?

well, since people usually list more than one reason they don't play a maleShep and you decided to list all of the possible outcomes (continue reading, you may have missed one - possibly more, i won't pretend to be or act like an expert, and i won't speak or think for someone else who may have a completely different reason).

actually - i listed a fourth reason - robotShep's voice.  does that fall into your homophobic/insecure/shallow world?

and yes, the world is full of male posteriors.  however, i don't have them enlarged and put on a TV screen in front of me when i'm walking around the world.  this game revolves around the back of Shepard's body... enlarged and put on a TV screen.  or computer monitor.

as to why i'm arguing...  well, the shallow argument is the only argument that holds onto any semblence of logic (and it is only a thread).

anyway, we've gotten off the OP's topic, which was about some players' obsessions with little blue babies.

[ogj835]

I wanted to make a femshep work but I just don't see how or why anyone thinks the voice actor for femshep is any good, personally I can't tolerate it. Actually got a play through with a femshep done on ME2 but half the time it sounded as if the voice actor was under the influence or just really tired and didn't give a crap about how her tone of voice sounded. Got halfway through ME3 with that save import when I started thinking I didn't want to hear her voice anymore. I like what they did with her character model in ME3 though way better than the other two games versions of the character. The romance options for femshep do lack in interest compared to a male shepard no matter how you look at it.

Modifié par ogj835, 19 avril 2012 - 08:17 .

[Baihu1983]

always play as male shep and i too think its odd how some are so obsessed with femshep/Liara LI on here.

Modifié par Baihu1983, 19 avril 2012 - 08:26 .

[Noelemahc]

Thread hop:

Because other than Kaidan who might be dead by that point, it's the only way FemShep will have kids with the available LIs?
Because other than Garrus, it's the sweetest-written romance available for FemShep?
(Because Tali being same-sex-romanceable was cut from ME2?)
Because Jennifer Hale says "I love you, Liara T'Soni" more believably than Mark Meer does?
Because guys like watching girls go at it, and would try to justify it with ANYTHING to try and hide the fact that they are perfectly normal horny human beings?

Modifié par Noelemahc, 19 avril 2012 - 08:40 .

[palker]

I prefer to play as female character on my first playthrought of any game if i have the choice since i have played BloodRayne 7 years ago. About the romance I did not romance anybody when I played dude Shepard and romanced Liara on most of my fem Shepard playthroughs.I actually disliked most of the romance stuff in ME games cause it felt kinda forced you know you want to be nice to people and for some reason they assume that it is because you love them.
About that blue babies stuff i imagined that my Shepard would live with Liara happily ever after but i have do not really care if it is put in the game and i was weirded out with some of the stuff i have seen on the forums but what do i a reclusive pcgame nerd know about love eh.

[Dahoja]

Dawson14 wrote...

I can understand if you are a female
gamer why you'd pick a FemShep, but if you are a male what is the
attraction to FemShep? Is it because you don't associate Shepard as
yourself, but rather just an observer and find the character
attractive/appealing? Or is it something else?

Furthermore, I've
seen guys complaining that their FemSheps did not have enough male LI's,
which I don't understand. Again, maybe this goes back to my idea of
Shepard as myself,

Another scenario I've seen is the massive
amount of guys who played as a FemShep and are borderline obsessed with
the lesbian romances with Liara/Ashley (particulary Liara). Now, lesbian
romances are fine, no big deal. And I understand that if you are a male
and playing a female character you would more naturally want to romance
a female character instead of a male.

So again, I always played a Male Shep and romanced Liara.

So
could someone give me some answers to why this is happening and explain
the reasoning behind the emotions/thinking. I'm not trying to be mean,
just trying to understand. No idea why it bothers me so much that I had
to post.

PS: Are there any other members out there like me who just played a hetero Shep all the way through?

I defenaitly play all games as an observer, that includes games such as Halo or Devil May Cry etc..To me games are just as immersive as watching a movie, but you get to interact or at times, direct where the story goes. For myself, Hale's VA is just awesome, Meer...not so much. I tried to use a male Shepard on a few occasions, but I just could not take Meer's acting, so I fired him as the director to the game. (really wish I could get Bruce Campbell or Dante from DMC4 to redo all the lines for the game. Than a male Shepard would have a chance at least. JMHO)

The only male LI Shepard had in my games was Kaiden, but that was more just to tease him and than Shepard always left him on Virmire in every ME playthough. Shepard also romanced Liara in ME1, but dumped her in SotB.
(for some reason, she had to dump her again in ME3.) Still never got a romance achievement in ME2. As far as other males who control female characters in their game, the motive for why they do what they do is truely unimportant. Wether they direct a female character or play as an extension to one, as long as they get the enjoyment from the game as we all try to do.

As far as "the obsession" with female characters getting it on, I would say some of that is just guys being....well guys. Nothing wrong with that. If it offends you or others, well, really there is nothing wrong with that either. There is nothing wrong with being offended, it just depends on what actions you take from being offended that could possibly matter.

I'll explain this to you like I do with my cousin when we discuss this. Some of my favorite heroes on tv or movies were girls, Buffy was better than Angel, Xena was way better than Hercules, Alice from Resident Evil was...well Mila Jovovich. (a total goddess, especially in re2) Or it is just that, well, "Girls rule, boys, we just drool".

Modifié par Dahoja, 19 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[Baihu1983]

Lyme Eilserv wrote...

I don't know about obsession. I prefer femshep simply because Hale is such an amazing actress. I know how cliché this sounds but she is Shepard.

Her voice grinds my gears to be honest, some times sounds too much like a women trying to act tough.

[Jassu1979]

I could rarely bring myself to play as a male Shep: not only is Hale's performance SO much better, but I also enjoy tough heroines a lot more than your typical run-of-the-mill testosterone jockster.

[Jassu1979]

Mavaras wrote...

Many reasons probably. A lot of men that really get into RPing females probably have substantially underdeveloped animas, allowing for the exercise to act as a means to express their repressed femininity and restore balance to their psychological health. Or, they just like dat ass.

I thoroughly enjoyed this post and its follow-up.

For more armchair psychology, we might argue that guys who are intensely uncomfortable with the notion of ever playing as a female character are in fact repressing... well, I won't spell it out, but I think you can figure it out.

Modifié par Jassu1979, 19 avril 2012 - 09:01 .

[kegNeggs]

I actually like playing both sides, just to see the different options. femshep never stuck with me, never licked the voice acting much and never really gave it more than a sideways glance.

but as I said I understand wanting to play a female version

[Halberd96]

I never thought I would say this but an ending with Liara and male Shepard with blue babies lying on a beach in Virmire is probably a better ending than what we got...at least there is variance and closure X_X

[Element Zero]

I am a guy, and I play FemShep about 2/3 of the time. Meer's VA can't compare to Hale's.

The blue babies were a cool throw away line from ME2 DLC. The fact that it was revisited at all, at the end of ME3, was cool enough for me.

The romances are a cool way to distinguish one playthrough from another, but I'm ultimately playing to save the galaxy, not to romance a VG character.

[Evil Minion]

I'm a woman who plays MaleShep.

Is it "weird" for women to play male characters?

If not, why would it be "weird" for men to play as women?

[Wulfram]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

To me, the "I don't want to spend the game looking at a man" sentiment always comes off as latent homophobia, insecurity in one's sexuality, or just really shallow.

It's usually needlessly crudely phrased, but "I find female characters more aesthetically pleasing" seems a pretty decent reason to choose one for your protagonist.

edit: Maybe it is shallow, but if you're not playing a self-insert then I don't see there's any compelling reason not to.

Though nowadays I'd probably prioritise having a voice actor I like over appearance, for the sort of games Bioware makes.  edit:  And LI availability is another thing I might take into account.  Femshep has Garrus and Traynor, Manshep has Tali.

Modifié par Wulfram, 19 avril 2012 - 09:57 .

[d-boy15]

I'm male and while I play mass effect, I'm not feel shepard is avatar of me,
always see myself as director of stories.

So, I play female becasue I want to see another side of story, never have
lesbian romance in my saves. in fact, not have any romace of my female
shepard because all of male romance choice is not fit my taste of story.

[Shajar]

Im male and i play male Shep. I never can play Fem Shep and then top of that try LI with guy? No way for me. 
Also i dont like heavily armored womans/girls, and military type of womans/girls. Squadmember girls are cool because they arent military type of girls, they are bookworms, nerds etc...
I play heavy story based games always with male characters.
But Fallout and MMOs where character does not really matter in game then i play both male and female.

As for babies? Blue babies are creepy  and Quarian babies would be badass mini Sheps 

Modifié par Shajar, 19 avril 2012 - 10:12 .

[Kath]

Shajar wrote...

Im male and i play male Shep. I never can play Fem Shep and then top of that try LI with guy? No way for me. Also, it just feel unreal for me that fem Shep could lead whole galaxy, maybe Hackett could lead and then i could try play diplomat femshep.
Also i dont like heavily armored womans/girls, and military type of womans/girls. Squadmember girls are cool because they arent military type of girls, they are bookworms, nerds etc...
I play heavy story based games always with male characters.
But Fallout and MMOs where character does not really matter in game then i play both male and female.

I know I shouldn't be surprised to find this sort of thinking on a gaming forum, but really. REALLY?

[thebigbad1013]

Once upon a time I only played male characters as well because, well I'm male and it just seemed obvious to me. Now I honestly don't remember what game it was but I eventually played a game where I picked a female character and since then I've played both male and female characters and never looked back and I find that I enjoy both equally.

[Shajar]

Katherine wrote...

Shajar wrote...

Im male and i play male Shep. I never can play Fem Shep and then top of that try LI with guy? No way for me. Also,
Also i dont like heavily armored womans/girls, and military type of womans/girls. Squadmember girls are cool because they arent military type of girls, they are bookworms, nerds etc...
I play heavy story based games always with male characters.
But Fallout and MMOs where character does not really matter in game then i play both male and female.

I know I shouldn't be surprised to find this sort of thinking on a gaming forum, but really. REALLY?

Everyone has their own preferences. Nothing you can do about it, but i think im gonna edit it so no more these kinda people come to rage

Modifié par Shajar, 19 avril 2012 - 10:12 .