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[Yubz]

Dawson14 wrote...

Is it because you don't associate Shepard as yourself, but rather just an observer and find the character attractive/appealing?

^this

As immersive as the game might be I don't consider myself to be the main character. That would be ... just weird.
I'm experiencing the story of someone else, sure I can make some decisions for him/her but in the end Shepard isn't like me at all.

So if I have the choice I'd rather pick an attractive female char to look at. Doesn't mean I feel like a woman IRL >_>
Quite the opposite actually, what guy doesn't want to see some girl on girl time with blue aliens

[thebigbad1013]

Shajar wrote...

Katherine wrote...

Shajar wrote...

Im male and i play male Shep. I never can play Fem Shep and then top of that try LI with guy? No way for me. Also, it just feel unreal for me that fem Shep could lead whole galaxy, maybe Hackett could lead and then i could try play diplomat femshep.
Also i dont like heavily armored womans/girls, and military type of womans/girls. Squadmember girls are cool because they arent military type of girls, they are bookworms, nerds etc...
I play heavy story based games always with male characters.
But Fallout and MMOs where character does not really matter in game then i play both male and female.

I know I shouldn't be surprised to find this sort of thinking on a gaming forum, but really. REALLY?

Everyone has their own preferences. Nothing you can do about it

Dude, no disrespect, and you have the right to your opinion and all, but it's 2012.

[Shajar]

bigbad1013 wrote...


Dude, no disrespect, and you have the right to your opinion and all, but it's 2012.

Yep, its edited. It can be buried now because it does not exist on my text, no proof anymore. Next time i choose my jokes carefully 

Modifié par Shajar, 19 avril 2012 - 10:17 .

[Kath]

Shajar wrote...

Katherine wrote...

Shajar wrote...

Im male and i play male Shep. I never can play Fem Shep and then top of that try LI with guy? No way for me. Also, it just feel unreal for me that fem Shep could lead whole galaxy, maybe Hackett could lead and then i could try play diplomat femshep.
Also i dont like heavily armored womans/girls, and military type of womans/girls. Squadmember girls are cool because they arent military type of girls, they are bookworms, nerds etc...
I play heavy story based games always with male characters.
But Fallout and MMOs where character does not really matter in game then i play both male and female.

I know I shouldn't be surprised to find this sort of thinking on a gaming forum, but really. REALLY?

Everyone has their own preferences. Nothing you can do about it

It's not a matter of preference. It's a matter of thinking women are not equal to men. You didn't say you would simply prefer your femshep to play a diplomatic role, you said it feels unreal that a woman could lead the galaxy. 

[Wulfram]

All Dead wrote...

Roleplaying: you're doing it wrong.

Differently, not wrong.

As long as you're enjoying the game, you're doing it right.

[Noelemahc]

RE: Security and sexuality. Yeah, part of why I have more than one FemShep in my Shepard Sheepherd is because Kaidan wasn't romanceable by guys in ME1. Sure, NOW I know how to re-enable it, but back in 2008 I did not =) I'm fairly secure in my masculinity, rather sure in my sexual preference and very interested in replayability and that calls for having variety.

(Which is one of the many reasons why I raged more when I learned that Jack and Tali were supposed to be bi than when I did that they are not after the game's dialogue made me think that they are -- because now I know why the dialogue did that, because they ARE)

RE: Immersion. I only fully relate with my "main" Shep, the others are just different looks at the story. Which is why his was the only one where I re-did the plot decisions, when the save import bork prevented me from saving Tali on Rannoch initially. Evil, evil, import bug.

[FrozenDreamfall]

I can understand that since I can't really play with male characters.In a game you become one with the character so I can't relate to male ones although I did play quite a lot of games with male characters even finished ME a few times,and if I was a guy I'd probably play with a male character too.Like most guys claim to create a female character to stare at her I do the same with the guy one sometimes,it's just eye-candy but that's all,I get bored fast and leave the guy for the girl character I made.Although Liara is damn hot I'd do her any day,I'm not into the whole "blue babies" obsessed thing,I would like it sure but,I care more about the romance at present in the game,not the future so much.Also I think it was about time female characters were taken seriously and had such a huge role,one that can change the outcome of the damn Universe,and with Shep I feel that,she's certainly the best female leader I have played with in a game,in DA too but ME feels a whole lot bigger.Besides,badass women are hot,too many guys with shinny bikes and leather jackets running gangs,time to see some women doing that too (like Jack).

Modifié par FrozenDreamfall, 19 avril 2012 - 10:33 .

[Zoonz]

My son (21) usually plays as a Femshep, especially on insanity, he says its more fun, but then he cut his teeth on LaraCroft so to speak,
Me (female) usually maleshep but I have femsheps too, they both good. I prefer renagade femshep by a mile.

[Haargel]

Hmm I always used to play males.

Since games give the option to play both, I play both. Simple.
The same reason why I have full paragon or renegade builds, or something in between.

I want to play the games for it's full potential

[Aurica]

Mavaras wrote...

Another reason some guys might always choose female avatars is because they have a complex that makes them want to assert control over women, and by controlling a female avatar's movements, conversations, clothing, personality, love interests etc.; they obtain complete dominance, thereby satisfying their psychological perversion. Or, they just like dat ass.

O.o  for real?   You make it sound like its like some form of weird psychological perverse complex....thingy..

[Yubz]

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

In a game you become one with the character so I can't relate to male ones

See, I don't get that at all. How can you become "one" with a character that gets constantly shot at, talks to strange Aliens, flies around in a spaceship and even dies and gets resurrected? That's some pretty crazy stuff that nobody can really relate to... having a different gender seems pretty insignificant in comparison.

[XTR3M3]

How does preferring to look at a woman's ass over a man's ass as a herero male, or any orientation for that matter, make someone homophobic? I simply am attracted to nice female ass and am not attracted to male ass. I am not bashing BioWare for putting in gay guys like STEEEVE! I thought Steve was a good character so I don't get how the HUGE leap from a statement of "I prefer female ass" to some comments of "you/that are/is homophobic" occurs unless said poster is just a troll trying to start problems.

With that logic, a ****** male that only likes to look at male ass is heterophobic.....which is ridiculous.

Get a clue. Preferring women does not make you homophobic.

[Lyrebon]

I can't seem to play male characters anymore. Something about looking at their buttocks when they climb staircases.

My very first femShep back in ME1 (which I've used throughout all three games) was based on Revy from Black Lagoon. I grew attached to her rebel-renegade personality, who'd shoot you for staring at her boobs a half-second too long. She did everything on impulse, got angry, shot a lot of people that didn't need shooting, but still manages to have a soft spot for her crew (mostly Garrus).

I've always seen the canon Shepard as female anyway. I never liked the default male version and probably what put me off the most. There's also Jennifer Hale's voice

Modifié par Lyrebon, 19 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[The Angry One]

Katherine wrote...

Shajar wrote...

Katherine wrote...

Shajar wrote...

Im male and i play male Shep. I never can play Fem Shep and then top of that try LI with guy? No way for me. Also, it just feel unreal for me that fem Shep could lead whole galaxy, maybe Hackett could lead and then i could try play diplomat femshep.
Also i dont like heavily armored womans/girls, and military type of womans/girls. Squadmember girls are cool because they arent military type of girls, they are bookworms, nerds etc...
I play heavy story based games always with male characters.
But Fallout and MMOs where character does not really matter in game then i play both male and female.

I know I shouldn't be surprised to find this sort of thinking on a gaming forum, but really. REALLY?

Everyone has their own preferences. Nothing you can do about it

It's not a matter of preference. It's a matter of thinking women are not equal to men. You didn't say you would simply prefer your femshep to play a diplomatic role, you said it feels unreal that a woman could lead the galaxy. 

Unfortunately I've seen a lot of this lately.
It. Grinds. My. Gears.

[cerberus1701]

Dawson14 wrote...

So I've read literally hundreds of ending threads since I've finished the game and came here to find comfort in others that found the ending as horrible and devastating as I. After reading those, I've come to find a trend that I really don't "get".

Members on here seem to have an obession with FemShep and her romances/potential blue babies. It seems to me that more people prefered or played with a FemShep over a Male Shep. I'm a normal guy in my mid 20's and not once did I ever have the urge to play as a FemShep. I tried to have a mindset that I am Shepard so I picked a Male War Hero Spacer. I played mutliple playthroughs of ME1 and ME2 and once with ME3 and always played as a Male. 

I can understand if you are a female gamer why you'd pick a FemShep, but if you are a male what is the attraction to FemShep? Is it because you don't associate Shepard as yourself, but rather just an observer and find the character attractive/appealing? Or is it something else?

Furthermore, I've seen guys complaining that their FemSheps did not have enough male LI's, which I don't understand. Again, maybe this goes back to my idea of Shepard as myself, so I naturally wouldn't want to romance a male character because I am not gay. So the question I pose here is what's the attraction for male players to have a plethora of male characters to romance? If you think of FemShep as yourself then I'm at a loss, if you think of yourself as an observer then I can understand wanting to be FemShep and see her happy.

Another scenario I've seen is the massive amount of guys who played as a FemShep and are borderline obsessed with the lesbian romances with Liara/Ashley (particulary Liara). Now, lesbian romances are fine, no big deal. And I understand that if you are a male and playing a female character you would more naturally want to romance a female character instead of a male. But in regares to the obsession, Ive seen the blue babies thread and for some reason it creeps me out. I think the fan art is actually pretty awesome and beautiful, but a lot of the comments leave me scratching my head. I'll try to explain my thought process here as well because I'm sure people will be confused why I have a "problem" with it. 

So again, I always played a Male Shep and romanced Liara. I'd love for a happy ending where he goes back to his crew pops a beer open with Garrus and gets to bone Liara till' the end of time. If they wanted to throw in a cutscene where I see some Shep/blue babies that would be fine too, but I have no uncontrollable desire to see that like the people in the blue babies thread. And I say uncontrollable desire because thats the feel I get in that thread. Members actually post that they are crying at the fan art....really? Crying about something not getting put in the game? Are you being serious or just trying to get the point across that you really wish it was in the game?  I was deeply emotionally invested in the story line and got a little teary eyed during the deaths of Mordin and Legion among others, but NEVER would I cry over a FemShep holding a blue baby picture I saw in a forum. I just don't understand it. How do men cry/get teary eyed over pictures posted in a forum that refer to something that never got put into Mass Effect? That fact is what really bothers me because I honestly can't imagine a reason to why grown men would do that. And I know that sounds a little offensive, but it's not intended to be.

So could someone give me some answers to why this is happening and explain the reasoning behind the emotions/thinking. I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to understand. No idea why it bothers me so much that I had to post.

PS: Are there any other members out there like me who just played a hetero Shep all the way through?

I don't know why it bothers you, either. And I don't really care about your phobias. Certainly not enough to help you  analyze them.

That said. I'm a guy. I play femshep almost exclusively. I played two playthrohs to go through Ash and Tali's romances with manshep. But it's a torturous, boring grind, mainly because I cannot stand Meer's voice acting. It's like he spends all the games with the Rahni Queen speaking through him.

That said, his chemistry with Tali is VERY good  and easily the best work he's ever done in the series.

For that alone, Hale is Shep to me. Period.

Next, I'd rather look at a girl for 30 hours than a guy.

And, male space jock heroes are a dime a dozen. They are the cliche.

There are other reasons, but i'm a two-finger typist so I'm not going to list them all.

I wouldn't cry over femshep holding a blue baby, either , though I do appreciate the sentiment. RPers get invested. One need look no further than the rage over the endings to know that.

They think about it because their Shep and Liara mention it. They discuss it. And it's nice to imagine that payoff after all they've gone though.

I have no idea why you have an issue. Maybe you just have an inflexible set of qualifiers for "manly." If people don't meet them you get uncomfortable.

I'm a straight guy. Always have been with not a doubt in my mind.

I like Femshep. I also like going to Bath and Body Works with my girl and smell the soaps and candles just because it's time with her AND I like stuff that smells good.

And I'm a guy. Get over it.

[Chronor]

Mine is very simple, and I don't really care if some consider it shallow. As many hours as these games take to complete, I would rather spend that time looking at a female form than a male form.

The above does not take anything away from the immersion. I play these games just like I would with books. I'm not completely the character in terms of the physical appearance, I am the character, i.e. Shepard, in terms of the decisions I make in game.

As for blue babies, no matter what sex you are, you have to be a robot to not care for having offspring that continues your line.  Babies in general symbolize hope for the future in a very tangible way, and whatever sex you are has no bearing on this type of universal feeling.

Modifié par Chronor, 19 avril 2012 - 02:58 .

[XTR3M3]

They must have a fear of women to say that a woman wouldn't be capable of running things. When I play a femShep, she is a badass that people naturally want to follow. She also looks GOOD doing it. Her enemies get their ass handed to them, yes...even the male enemies. There is only one male in the ME universe that can stand toe to toe with my femShep...... the only male she can't seem to beat is a little holographic boy at the end. :/

[The Angry One]

XTR3M3 wrote...

There is only one male in the ME universe that can stand toe to toe with my femShep...... the only male she can't seem to beat is a little holographic boy at the end. :/

That's no male, that's the glowing spawn of c'thulu itself!

[Chronor]

The Angry One wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

There is only one male in the ME universe that can stand toe to toe with my femShep...... the only male she can't seem to beat is a little holographic boy at the end. :/

That's no male, that's the glowing spawn of c'thulu itself!

Nope.  He's the Devil Child in innocent form.  Remember the Omen movies?

Modifié par Chronor, 19 avril 2012 - 03:00 .

[BattleVisor]

Cant stand Jennifer Hale's voice. its very annoying. imho a femshep isnt reallyh realistic, and just fan service to female gamers, and some dudes.

[cerberus1701]

Shajar wrote...

"Im male and i play male Shep. I never can play Fem Shep and then top of that try LI with guy? No way for me. Also, it just feel unreal for me that fem Shep could lead whole galaxy, maybe Hackett could lead and then i could try play diplomat femshep.
Also i dont like heavily armored womans/girls, and military type of womans/girls. Squadmember girls are cool because they arent military type of girls, they are bookworms, nerds etc...
I play heavy story based games always with male characters.
But Fallout and MMOs where character does not really matter in game then i play both male and female."


_____________________

Yikes, dude.

Don't like real women in the military either, do you?

Or women like Gina Carano who could beat you @ss?

Do women ask for permission to speak in your world?

Modifié par cerberus1701, 19 avril 2012 - 03:17 .

[cerberus1701]

BattleVisor wrote...

Cant stand Jennifer Hale's voice. its very annoying. imho a femshep isnt reallyh realistic, and just fan service to female gamers, and some dudes.

Oh, look, another mysoginist.

[The Angry One]

BattleVisor wrote...

Cant stand Jennifer Hale's voice. its very annoying. imho a femshep isnt reallyh realistic, and just fan service to female gamers, and some dudes.

And that makes your opinion irrelevant.

[The Angry One]

cerberus1701 wrote...

BattleVisor wrote...

Cant stand Jennifer Hale's voice. its very annoying. imho a femshep isnt reallyh realistic, and just fan service to female gamers, and some dudes.

Oh, look, another mysoginist.

Like I've said they've been coming out of the woodwork lately. I think the warm weather is disturbing their nests.