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What's all the obsession with FemShep lesbian/hetero romances and babies?


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BattleVisor wrote...

my main gripe are those people who bash Mark Meer's voice, when he is great as what he does. To the guys who play femshep, because they want to look at a female ass instead of a male all the time, there is something wrong with them.

I always found it was my really strange friends who played female blood elfs on WOW. so i guess its a complex issue.



Because a lot of people think it sucks. I think it sucks.

Now, it's great if you like it. A lot of people do.

But I think it sucks. I could think of half a dozen actors I'd have preferred in the role.

And what's exactly wrong with looking at a woman (or a representation thereof) for 30 hours?

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jeeeeeezus, it's THIS thread again.

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To be fair they told Meer to give a flat performance, you could put any actor in that role and the result would be similar, the fault is with the direction.

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If you don't like it then don't play it. Is it realistic? No...but neither is the ME universe. I don't like how Kaidan was changed so I won't be importing anymore games with him in them. You can do the same if you don't like the Femshep and Vega boxing. If you have a problem with Femshep then don't play as her.

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The Angry One wrote...

To be fair they told Meer to give a flat performance, you could put any actor in that role and the result would be similar, the fault is with the direction.



Can you source that?

For the love of God, why do that?

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Yea, sorry, I guess I am just a tad old fashioned. I believe there are some things you just don't do as a guy. Decking a lady in the face is one of those, be it in a game or RL. It doesn't matter if they can kick your ass, I still would never deck a lady in the face like Vega does....or tries to do if you don't use the paragon interrupts....even though my femSheps can kick Vega's butt, it still feels wrong.

lol so sue me. I can't help it.

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Katherine wrote...

Shajar wrote...

Im male and i play male Shep. I never can play Fem Shep and then top of that try LI with guy? No way for me. Also, it just feel unreal for me that fem Shep could lead whole galaxy, maybe Hackett could lead and then i could try play diplomat femshep.
Also i dont like heavily armored womans/girls, and military type of womans/girls. Squadmember girls are cool because they arent military type of girls, they are bookworms, nerds etc...
I play heavy story based games always with male characters.
But Fallout and MMOs where character does not really matter in game then i play both male and female.


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I know I shouldn't be surprised to find this sort of thinking on a gaming forum, but really. REALLY?


This always makes me laugh.  Ok, we have a game where
there is space travel, a race of biped lizards who live for generations who
nearly nuked themselves out of existence, a biped amphibian race of super
geniuses, biped insects whose culture is basically a mirror of Roman culture,
the asari who live for a thousand years, and all manner of alien species
wandering around.  And the fact that there can be (you never even have to
play female Shepard if you don't want to!!) a women in a significant position
of power is what is feeling unreal to you.  Huh.  We are not starting
in a realistic world here, all the rules have been thrown out the window, so
maybe in this universe women are just as strong, smart, and capable as men.
 Crazy, right?



Honestly, male gamers have 99.9% of all games to
see them represented.  There is no lack of strong, capable, smart,
handsome, ugly or annoying, male characters out there saving the world, their
woman, doing whatever, moving the plot forward.  There is a distinct lack
of female characters with agency in video games.  I rarely see myself represented,
and when I do its with huge boobs, a sculpted butt, and fabulous hair.  That’s
just the way it is, men are the default normal character.  Why is choosing
to play a women the weird choice always?



The thing I like about the Mass Effect series is
that female Shepard does all the things a male Shepard does and no one in the
game treats it as weird, amazing, or out of the ordinary.  That’s what I
like, it is just normal and accepted that femshep can kick ass and takes names.
 When I play femshep, no one is commenting on how unique/strange it is to
see a woman leading a galaxy, headbutting a krogan, taking down wave after wave
of husk, or even boxing, yes, a man.  It just is.   Femshep wears
armor, carries guns, has the loyalty of her squad and saves the galaxy and that
is treated as a perfectly normal occurrence.  No male in the game comments
on how horrible it is to be lead by a woman or take orders from one.   So
that is for me, why I am "obsessed" with my femshep.  We are in
space in an alternate universe, why are you insisting on holding onto current
gender norms?  I'm genuinely asking, what is so offensive about her to
you? If you never want to see Femshep, just don't click on the female gender
option, her existence does not take away from your exciting experiance playing Maleshep.

Modifié par Oddee, 19 avril 2012 - 03:45 .


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I always found it was my really strange friends who played female blood elfs on WOW. so i guess its a complex issue.


My main's an orc but I love my BE paladin as well. Really like the image of her bloodied and barbaric at the head of a group of orcs yelling out "For the Horde!".

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cerberus1701 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

To be fair they told Meer to give a flat performance, you could put any actor in that role and the result would be similar, the fault is with the direction.



Can you source that?

For the love of God, why do that?


No but it's always been talked about since ME1, and it fits if you consider Meer's other roles such as the Biotic God or the Vorcha.
He has versatility and range which he just doesn't use for ManShep.

As to why, I guess some think that a flat performance lets players better relate to him, he has to be an everyman. This doesn't apply to FemShep.

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I like playing at both.

Kinda prefer FemShep because of Hale, although I like my MaleShep a lot too.

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I play male and female Shepards (or male and female characters in any other RPG) because I'm never playing the character as being me in the game. Same with any pen and paper RPG, or free-form RPGs online, they are a character that I am controlling, and might have actually crafted in their entirety, but they are not an extention of myself. I don't want to play me in a game, I want to play as a completely different fictional character.

I also write fiction as a hobby, and if I couldn't bring myself to play as a character that wasn't based around being me I don't think I could ever write about other characters.

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XTR3M3 wrote...

Yea, sorry, I guess I am just a tad old fashioned. I believe there are some things you just don't do as a guy. Decking a lady in the face is one of those, be it in a game or RL. It doesn't matter if they can kick your ass, I still would never deck a lady in the face like Vega does....or tries to do if you don't use the paragon interrupts....even though my femSheps can kick Vega's butt, it still feels wrong.

lol so sue me. I can't help it.


Well, if I deck someone in the face I fully expect one in return.
Of course, free punches are always nice... not that I do in fact punch people. Maybe.

Anyway, remember that this is the future, they're both soldiers, Shepard is a better soldier than Vega (Vega basically becomes her protege) and society has gotten used to treating women equally at this point, as it should be.
Shepard has more than proven her ability to take a few punches.

I mean if Vega went and punched Chakwas in the face, that'd be a problem.
And yes now I know somebody is going to post that pic.

Modifié par The Angry One, 19 avril 2012 - 03:50 .


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The Angry One wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

To be fair they told Meer to give a flat performance, you could put any actor in that role and the result would be similar, the fault is with the direction.



Can you source that?

For the love of God, why do that?


No but it's always been talked about since ME1, and it fits if you consider Meer's other roles such as the Biotic God or the Vorcha.
He has versatility and range which he just doesn't use for ManShep.

As to why, I guess some think that a flat performance lets players better relate to him, he has to be an everyman. This doesn't apply to FemShep.



Wow.

Bruce Willis made a career out of being the "every man," and if he'd acted like they appararently asked Meer to he'd never have gotten past Moonlighting.

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As you can tell from my username, I'm a guy. My canon Shep is a FemShep. I'm also a feminist, though it didn't really factor into my decision to play primarily as a FemShep.

First of all, you have to understand that people approach the games differently. Some, like you, play through the game making decisions they would have made. Others are all about sculpting characters of their own. Personally, I just like to watch females kick asses, and I was a huge fan of Hale before the game anyways.

Onto a slightly more serious topic here. Here you stated that you don't really understand why FemShep players, male or female, are so obsessed with babies. First of all, you have to understand the ideas of masculinity and femininity. Masculinity is what you would project the males to act. Femininity is what you would project the females would act. In contrary to popular belief, masculinity and femininity are not mutually exclusive. In other words, you can possess qualities from both ends. You can be calm and sensitive at the same time.

If you don't quite understand what I meant, here's a more literal expression:
Guess what. Guys like babies too.

#190
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I play a lesbian FemShep 'cause... oh, yeah, I'm a gay girl. Boggles the mind.

But I still played a straight BroShep. In fact, he was my first playthrough back in 2007 and imported him twice to ME2. I don't see why we should play exactly what we are, why boys should play boys and girls, well, girls - after all, it's roleplaying. I can choose one particular role and be myself any other time.

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I like when people say "I rather watch a woman's ass..."

If you like women, what the hell are you doing watching a man's ass?
That seems like they're trying to repress something... ;):lol:

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The Angry One wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

Yea, sorry, I guess I am just a tad old fashioned. I believe there are some things you just don't do as a guy. Decking a lady in the face is one of those, be it in a game or RL. It doesn't matter if they can kick your ass, I still would never deck a lady in the face like Vega does....or tries to do if you don't use the paragon interrupts....even though my femSheps can kick Vega's butt, it still feels wrong.

lol so sue me. I can't help it.


Well, if I deck someone in the face I fully expect one in return.
Of course, free punches are always nice... not that I do in fact punch people. Maybe.

Anyway, remember that this is the future, they're both soldiers, Shepard is a better soldier than Vega (Vega basically becomes her protege) and society has gotten used to treating women equally at this point, as it should be.
Shepard has more than proven her ability to take a few punches.

I mean if Vega went and punched Chakwas in the face, that'd be a problem.
And yes now I know somebody is going to post that pic.

I agree with all your points. I just can't bring myself to like that interaction they have together there. Vega does always end up on his back though lol. My femShep would never actually let him connect during those paragon interrupts. She has her pride don'tcha know?:D

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That's neither her nor there really as you don't see Shep's ass most of the time in ME3.
I can think of a practical reason for playing as a female - males take up half the screen with their wide torsos.

Anyway I play females because it's still all too rare in many games, it's what I am and what I like.
But I reserve my WTF face for anyone judging anyone else for playing the opposite gender.

Modifié par The Angry One, 19 avril 2012 - 04:00 .


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XTR3M3 wrote...

I agree with all your points. I just can't bring myself to like that interaction they have together there. Vega does always end up on his back though lol. My femShep would never actually let him connect during those paragon interrupts. She has her pride don'tcha know?:D


Yeah me neither. He's too big and slow anyway..

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I prefer to stare the whole game a girl ass than a male ass.

On: In my case i'm a guy but I like to play female characters because I enjoy more the sexy girl with guns kicking asses rather than a stereotype male hero bla bla...

Modifié par Colancio, 19 avril 2012 - 04:06 .


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I play femshep for two reasons.

1º Jennifer Hale acting, I just love Paragon FemShep.
2º Choices, there are a lot of differences between MaleShep's universe and FemShep's. FemShep allowed me to get to know characters more, example, Kaidan.

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Icesong wrote...

I always found it was my really strange friends who played female blood elfs on WOW. so i guess its a complex issue.


My main's an orc but I love my BE paladin as well. Really like the image of her bloodied and barbaric at the head of a group of orcs yelling out "For the Horde!".


Yeh but she's not your main (I should have clarified)

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Well I am female so I naturally gravitated toward playing as a female Shepard. I tried the male one and well, voice and all is just lacking. I actually tried the male first and just dropped it. Not because I couldn't buy into playing as a male-most games force me to do just that and LIs in other games are female. It just didn't feel as authentic as the performance given by Hale. FemShep became like Sigourney Weaver's Ripley in Alien. Hale's voice is Shepard's for me.

As for little blue babies-I think it is often talked about for 2 main reasons. No matter if you choose male or female Shepard the Liara romance is the most fleshed out (Tali is great for many, but there is no face for players to relate to). Garrus is great and a totally wonderful personality, but his appearance and all is more alien to a human-centric leaning experience. Best friend ever, lover well not so much. Thane would be my next choice if we had a lot more time to spend together-his soul is deep. Other romances are more like romps in the hay-wham, bam, it's over.

So, Liara is the almost natural choice-much of the game guides you to her, no matter the sex of your Shepard. And, if you choose her as your LI, you get a kind of joke about little blue babies in ME2, where she kind of punches Shepard in response. And you get one of the most poignant moments of all 3 games in ME3-the gift scene where she says "all those little blue children will be disappointed I didn't have a speech". It tugs at your heartstrings. If you are gay, straight, whatever and bought into this ME universe, you may well find this is like a punch to the gut. The romantic in many of us wants Shepard to come back and to fulfill his/her next line-"We'll make up a good story for them". Liara then explains that her gift to Shepard can be given to good friends, lovers (bondmates), but can also be used to say farewell. NOOOOOOOOOO! This is what I felt. Liara can't look at Shepard-she knows it may be goodbye. She knows it probably will be. She does not want it to be. But, she may also already have a little blue baby in the works.

A lot of us are just pure romantics. It doesn't have to matter who the participants are-it could be 2 guys playing the same scene. It tugs at my heartstrings. And then sadly it gets all wrapped up into an ending that never explains what happened. All we are left with is our own trampled wishes and hopes. It's a damn good story with no ending. Blue babies are almost the icing on the cake of what a good ending could provide as a choice.

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I am a female myself but I play both genders and do multiple relationships. I like playing something I would never do in real life. All the relationship possibilities are a bonus which a like to do and I only found it in Bioware games.

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 I seperate myself from the character in any game I play (except games such as Skyrim, I am lizard) and because of that I drift to playing female characters, as I enjoy the 'custom story' aspect of games such as this more than the 'become the character' . For ME series, I liked Miss Hale's VO skills, and for games like Dragon Age I couldn't play a male character after seeing their portrait with all sliders fully to the right

Modifié par Froswald, 19 avril 2012 - 04:26 .