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[Vigil_N7]

I actually found Mark Meer's "flat" (I thought it was fine) performance to be awesome. It just fit the role perfectly, I can't ever play as a female shepard because I find Hale sounds like she's trying to be too intimidating, I honestly think its dull.

Mark Meer was definitely wooden at times, but to me that just makes some moments all the more hilarious. Most of the renegade options in ME1 were funny not because of the options themselves but because of Meer's VA.

On the note about blue babies and LI.... I really, really don't understand why everyone is so fixiated on having Shepard reunite with his LI and having blue babies/house on rannoch whatever. I have a few ideas on why but nothing is concrete so I won't go into it.

I personally don't care on the LI's role in the ending, I just wanted Shepard to go out all guns blazing, which he didn't. Instead, he went out rather meekly. Blowing up a fuel tank wasn't what I had in mind.

For me, this game was always about Shepard, the LI's were just a small part in Shepard's overall story. Shepard is bigger than them, hell, he's bigger than the galaxy. I wanted a fitting conclusion to Shepard's story, Shepard's legacy, this I didn't feel I got, which is why I didn't like the ending, not because Shepard didn't re-united with his LI.

[Temporal Disunity]

I don't disagree with your choices at all OP, but I want to explain why I play as Femshep since you asked.
First, I'll ask some questions. You say that you don't understand how male gamers can play as a female character. How do you think all of the female gamers feel about the majority of the video game industry using young white male characters in their lead roles? A lot of them are fine with it. Some aren't. It depends on the person. I personally don't mind when lead characters are female. There's nothing wrong with that and it doesn't prevent me from getting in-character and identifying with characters.

I personally think the character of Shepard is female. It's just in my mind, I can't change it. I didn't just build from a "Hale is better than Meer" voice acting conflict (although I tend to agree that that is true in ME1), I thought: what kind of character is going to save the galaxy? And she was female.

It might also be that I'm a fiction writer. I have the ability to write from both male, female, trans, and non-human (AI, synthetic) perspectives. In the Mass Effect series, I just took Femshep to be the real Shepard, for me. Don't ask me why. You might as well ask Tolkien why Hobbits are short. Hobbits are just short. For me, Shepard is just female. I even think screenshots without my character's face look weird.

In modern society, it is generally apparent that women can write or identify with male characters or people better than men can identify with female characters or people. It's the way society structured itself (patriarchal). Your ideas of manliness are just a construct. 

Your protest against why a grown man can't shed tears? You want people to conform to gender norms, don't you? For the love of humanity, please lighten up and accept that people are going to be themselves, and not always conform to your idea of being manly or feminine. 

I'll be happy with my Femshep romancing Garrus, by the way. 

Just a question: using your logic, if you're straight, wouldn't you let a Femshep romance a male character?

As to the blue babies, I'm sure a number of people are emotionally invested in these characters and their mind goes to wanting blue children. It's their preference, I don't think it's your place to judge.

PS: Yes, I'm playing a "hetero shep".

Modifié par Temporal Disunity, 19 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[Dead_Meat357]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

I actually found Mark Meer's "flat" (I thought it was fine) performance to be awesome. It just fit the role perfectly, I can't ever play as a female shepard because I find Hale sounds like she's trying to be too intimidating, I honestly think its dull.

Mark Meer was definitely wooden at times, but to me that just makes some moments all the more hilarious. Most of the renegade options in ME1 were funny not because of the options themselves but because of Meer's VA.

On the note about blue babies and LI.... I really, really don't understand why everyone is so fixiated on having Shepard reunite with his LI and having blue babies/house on rannoch whatever. I have a few ideas on why but nothing is concrete so I won't go into it.

I personally don't care on the LI's role in the ending, I just wanted Shepard to go out all guns blazing, which he didn't. Instead, he went out rather meekly. Blowing up a fuel tank wasn't what I had in mind.

For me, this game was always about Shepard, the LI's were just a small part in Shepard's overall story. Shepard is bigger than them, hell, he's bigger than the galaxy. I wanted a fitting conclusion to Shepard's story, Shepard's legacy, this I didn't feel I got, which is why I didn't like the ending, not because Shepard didn't re-united with his LI.

I thought that the voice acting got better in each installment. ME1 being the worst of the bunch in that regard. Mass Effect 3 is easily the best. There are times where it's not quite right but voice acting is hard and voice direction is key. Even when all that comes together what's on paper doesn't sound right when spoken or it just doesn't fit with the final scene. It's hard to do and yet even at their worst BioWare usually does a passable job with this.

[DangerousPuddy]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

I actually found Mark Meer's "flat" (I thought it was fine) performance to be awesome. It just fit the role perfectly, I can't ever play as a female shepard because I find Hale sounds like she's trying to be too intimidating, I honestly think its dull.

Mark Meer was definitely wooden at times, but to me that just makes some moments all the more hilarious. Most of the renegade options in ME1 were funny not because of the options themselves but because of Meer's VA.

On the note about blue babies and LI.... I really, really don't understand why everyone is so fixiated on having Shepard reunite with his LI and having blue babies/house on rannoch whatever. I have a few ideas on why but nothing is concrete so I won't go into it.

I personally don't care on the LI's role in the ending, I just wanted Shepard to go out all guns blazing, which he didn't. Instead, he went out rather meekly. Blowing up a fuel tank wasn't what I had in mind.

For me, this game was always about Shepard, the LI's were just a small part in Shepard's overall story. Shepard is bigger than them, hell, he's bigger than the galaxy. I wanted a fitting conclusion to Shepard's story, Shepard's legacy, this I didn't feel I got, which is why I didn't like the ending, not because Shepard didn't re-united with his LI.

100% agreed.

Hale is talented but in ME in general she is trying to sound like some constantly gruff throaty voiced soldier. Manshep is just that, a man. He is flat because he's a hard soldier, although in ME1 yes some of it was a bit too flat.

In ME2 and ME3 he really perfected it. He is not boringly flat in some areas but he maintains that "hard soldier" feel. Also, when he goes Renegade and has to go hard he does a MUCH better job than Hale from the videos I've seen.

I do credit Hale though for general flow of words as Paragon. But her neutral and renegade just don't sit with me.
Best example is when you kill the Human Reaper in ME2, he yells "Status Report!" while Hale kind of just talks it out. Plus

[SinnSly]

Being a girl I always play as a female, I don't like playing a male when I can be a female character..

That and Hale does an amazing job as FemShep, my obsession with the blue children is cause BioWare murdered the chance for my Shep, Lyzia, to have her little blue children with Liara :s

[cerberus1701]

DangerousPuddy wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

I actually found Mark Meer's "flat" (I thought it was fine) performance to be awesome. It just fit the role perfectly, I can't ever play as a female shepard because I find Hale sounds like she's trying to be too intimidating, I honestly think its dull.

Mark Meer was definitely wooden at times, but to me that just makes some moments all the more hilarious. Most of the renegade options in ME1 were funny not because of the options themselves but because of Meer's VA.

On the note about blue babies and LI.... I really, really don't understand why everyone is so fixiated on having Shepard reunite with his LI and having blue babies/house on rannoch whatever. I have a few ideas on why but nothing is concrete so I won't go into it.

I personally don't care on the LI's role in the ending, I just wanted Shepard to go out all guns blazing, which he didn't. Instead, he went out rather meekly. Blowing up a fuel tank wasn't what I had in mind.

For me, this game was always about Shepard, the LI's were just a small part in Shepard's overall story. Shepard is bigger than them, hell, he's bigger than the galaxy. I wanted a fitting conclusion to Shepard's story, Shepard's legacy, this I didn't feel I got, which is why I didn't like the ending, not because Shepard didn't re-united with his LI.

100% agreed.

Hale is talented but in ME in general she is trying to sound like some constantly gruff throaty voiced soldier. Manshep is just that, a man. He is flat because he's a hard soldier, although in ME1 yes some of it was a bit too flat.

In ME2 and ME3 he really perfected it. He is not boringly flat in some areas but he maintains that "hard soldier" feel. Also, when he goes Renegade and has to go hard he does a MUCH better job than Hale from the videos I've seen.

I do credit Hale though for general flow of words as Paragon. But her neutral and renegade just don't sit with me.
Best example is when you kill the Human Reaper in ME2, he yells "Status Report!" while Hale kind of just talks it out. Plus

Ok, but I just have to say, I know hardened soldiers. Lifetime military, and none of them have or work at such a complete lack of inflection.

[Bantz]

why guys play female toons. If you have to look at an ass for 30+ hours it may as well be a nice one.

[sorentoft]

My Sheps are always hetero. Female or male matters not. Only got one femshep though, and she's with Garrus. 'cus of reach.

[Vormaerin]

Shepard has boneweave, cybernetic muscle tissue enhancement, skin hardening, and gods knows what else. And people think its weird that she can take a punch from an ordinary human? She can shoot a widow anti material rifle without breaking her shoulder. Which, btw, Vega can't do.

The scene is not that well choreographed since the focus is supposed to be on the dialogue. But the idea that femShep is the one at a disadvantage in that fight is a bit silly. Reach would be her only problem.

I don't understand people who think its odd to play a character of a different gender. A human woman is less different from me than any gender of elf, dwarf, or whatever other options exist.

I suppose I could make a white male Shepard and roleplay as a biotic cyborg special forces version of myself when I was 20 yrs younger. But self insertion is only one kind of roleplaying, since it is all about "playing a role". That role can just as easily be a different gender, race, or species.

[Fen1sa]

Bantz wrote...

why guys play female toons. If you have to look at an ass for 30+ hours it may as well be a nice one.

damn right I wud much rather stare at some nice lady than ugly dude :happy:

[Fiyenyaa]

I play games to experience some degree of fantasy. In real life, I'm a 22 year-old white guy who's not militarily minded, doesn't command people, hasn't been into space, and who has never met an alien.
Shepherd is the opposite of me in all these respects. I like experiencing fantastical situations, and I like experiencing situations through the eyes of someone who is different to me.

[Heather Cline]

Most of us who play femshep and romanced Liara be they male or female human beings were looking forward to having lots of little blue children. Hell ME2's LotSB pretty much all but guaranteed that as a possible ending. Instead we got shafted by Casey Hudson and Mac Walters the two brain child's behind the ending we got. The original ending was cut from the game due to it being leaked so Hudson and Walters came up with the current ending and now claim artistic vision and artistic integrity.

We are obsessed as you say with little blue children because we want that ending as one of the promised endings.

[kumquats]

Temporal Disunity wrote...

I don't disagree with your choices at all OP, but I want to explain why I play as Femshep since you asked.
First, I'll ask some questions. You say that you don't understand how male gamers can play as a female character. How do you think all of the female gamers feel about the majority of the video game industry using young white male characters in their lead roles? A lot of them are fine with it. Some aren't. It depends on the person. I personally don't mind when lead characters are female. There's nothing wrong with that and it doesn't prevent me from getting in-character and identifying with characters.

I personally think the character of Shepard is female. It's just in my mind, I can't change it. I didn't just build from a "Hale is better than Meer" voice acting conflict (although I tend to agree that that is true in ME1), I thought: what kind of character is going to save the galaxy? And she was female.

It might also be that I'm a fiction writer. I have the ability to write from both male, female, trans, and non-human (AI, synthetic) perspectives. In the Mass Effect series, I just took Femshep to be the real Shepard, for me. Don't ask me why. You might as well ask Tolkien why Hobbits are short. Hobbits are just short. For me, Shepard is just female. I even think screenshots without my character's face look weird.

In modern society, it is generally apparent that women can write or identify with male characters or people better than men can identify with female characters or people. It's the way society structured itself (patriarchal). Your ideas of manliness are just a construct. 

Your protest against why a grown man can't shed tears? You want people to conform to gender norms, don't you? For the love of humanity, please lighten up and accept that people are going to be themselves, and not always conform to your idea of being manly or feminine. 

I'll be happy with my Femshep romancing Garrus, by the way. 

Just a question: using your logic, if you're straight, wouldn't you let a Femshep romance a male character?

As to the blue babies, I'm sure a number of people are emotionally invested in these characters and their mind goes to wanting blue children. It's their preference, I don't think it's your place to judge.

PS: Yes, I'm playing a "hetero shep".

I don't think that anything else needs to be said. The VA is just preference, we could talk all day long, if chocolate or vanilla is better.
But this is 100% true. Stieg Larsson a MAN, wrote the most amazing female Lead Character in any book I ever read so far.
It's perfectly fine to play a different gender and it's highly enjoyable.
I think the OP would be surprised how many male hetero gamers, jump on the opportunity to romance Cortez or Kaidan. It's not always the lesbian thing. It's sometimes just the fascination to be something, that you will never be in Reallife.

Modifié par kumquats, 20 avril 2012 - 08:36 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Jjynn wrote...

Its a very simple mindset.

Either
you play the game thinking "That's me." In which case, you'll probably
play your gender and something you feel approximates who you are.

Or
you'll play the game thinking "That's my character." This allows a lot
more flexibility in how you approach the game and are less likely to
feel constrained by ideas of who you are as opposed to who your
character is.

That's really what you're seeing when women play male characters and men play female characters.

This
I'm male and have playthroughs with both geneders, to me each one is a character with a different personaility and I play accordingly

AwesomeDudex64 wrote...

I like my woman in armor.

Also this

[KingNewbs]

Dawson14 wrote...

It seems to me that more people prefered or played with a FemShep over a Male Shep.

Well, if by "more" you mean 18% then I agree. Otherwise I think you're mistaken.

If I've got the choice between a male or female character in a game, I'll choose female every time. I'm not even 100% sure why. As a male, I tend to agree with some of the other posters in this thread, playing as a female helps me get into the "role-play" aspect of it, because it's different and I can more easily separate the character from myself.

But also I just like women more... not in a creepy "I don't wanna stare at man ass for 30 hours" way, either. It's hard to explain.

Modifié par KingNewbs, 20 avril 2012 - 01:17 .

[Dead_Meat357]

KingNewbs wrote...

Dawson14 wrote...

It seems to me that more people prefered or played with a FemShep over a Male Shep.

Well, if by "more" you mean 18% then I agree. Otherwise I think you're mistaken.

If I've got the choice between a male or female character in a game, I'll choose female every time. I'm not even 100% sure why. As a male, I tend to agree with some of the other posters in this thread, playing as a female helps me get into the "role-play" aspect of it, because it's different and I can more easily separate the character from myself.

But also I just like women more... not in a creepy "I don't wanna stare at man ass for 30 hours" way, either. It's hard to explain.

I like women more than men in general. That doesn't mean I want to be one or even role play one. That being said I played Mass Effect 2 with a FemShep but out of the 9 times I played through that game I only did so with FemShep once. I simply prefer the character interactions in the game from a male's perspective.

Modifié par Dead_Meat357, 23 avril 2012 - 03:34 .

[Ultra Prism]

My cannon Shepard is based on me ... War Hero Spacer ( wanted to be a hero lol but moved around various countries through course of my life) I am 21 and played Male Shep ... romanced Liara in ME1 and again LoTSB and finally ME3 ... talking of blue children is cool...

I understand that people preferred femshep because voice acting, seeing femshep butt in combat or walking around and lesbian romances ...

my friened played ME2 which was his first Mass Effect game, and played femshep, why because he likes strong women and bada** ones ... I was okay but don't want make shepard based on you, no he doesnt

I played femshep paragon from ME2 ... and it was interesting ... I was more interested Jennifer Hale voice acting ... so far i think Mark Meer has best voice in ME3 otherwise Jennifer Hale wins in ME1 & ME2