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More dissapointing sequel? Dragon Age 2 or Mass Effect 3?


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To be honest, I actually liked DA2. Because I play on console I actually preferred the new combat (DA:O combat on console is annoying), and I thought the characters were as good as the first game's. Sure, the Act 3 plot was weak and the repeated maps were a pain, but overall I enjoyed it.

To be fair the only new part of the combat was that you had to mash the A button to do basic attacks. Other than that the combat functioned the same way as in the first game, bar being able to gulp potions down like a mad thing.

A tough question though asked by the OP. While I think DA2 was a greater dip in over-all quality, the bigger disappointment for me is Mass Effect 3 and that is simply because it ends Shepard's story in what I consider to be a very poor manner.

With Dragon Age they at least have the opportunity to salvage things for the Warden and Hawke in the third game, a chance Shepard now doesn't have.

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Calling DA2 a better game than ME3 is rediculous.

I cannot believe people will let a weak 10 minutes in a game kill an ENTIRE 100+ hour adventure...good grief, then ending was nowhere near that bad. The plot holes people keep banging on about just outright do not exist (if you think about them and read the codex) and even so, the ending is being expanded for free.

Dragon Age 2 on the other hand was a travesty from start to finish. Bland, boring, wooden characters, terrible camera/UI, the faults go on and on, and that's not even counting the rediculous design decisions.

DA2 = 2/10
ME3 = 9/10 (and it would be damn well 10/10 if not for the weaker ending)

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I am well aware of the weaknesses of Dragon Age 2. It is less tactical and expansive than DAO. But there were other reasons why I actually like DA2.

1. Hawke and his story was appealing,

2. The combat animations were more fluid (swinging mage stave like a boss),

3 .Blooming Rose was fun to visit.

4. The sequel found a more fitting tone compared to the messy, bloodsoaked mess that drenched Dragon Age: Origins (Seriously, everyone you came across was soaked in blood! More so than in DA2. Even blood got splashed on the DAO logo.)

*SNIP*


Fully agree with you.
In hindsight, Dragon Age 2 was simply...'different' then DA:O, better in some points, worse in others. It can't realy be compared to Origins. Like you said, they focussed more on the combat, which was extremely fun to do. It lacked the varied environments Origins had though. The DLC of DA2 fixed most of this though, giving us cool open environments. A DA2 with all DLC is a fun game. I'd give it 8/10. Not 9.5/10 like Origins, but still good. There were improvements, there were letdowns. But nothing too serious, except for the rehashed dungeons. Ugh.

Mass Effect 3 however, is a different story. There a graphical problems (especially the hair on Shep), general bugs (twisting necks, ai) and lazyness (use of sprites, bad textures). Not to mention the narative-breaking ending. Unlike DA2, I can't see past these issues. In my book, ME3 scores a 6.5 or 7 out of 10.

To conclude: I fully agree with you. DA2 seemed to try and evolve itself, with all the problems that come with it. ME3 is just not as good as ME2. There's no evolution, no reason for us to forgive it's mistakes.

EDIT: I see alot of people bashing at DA2's combat system. I urge you to try and play a 'stealth' rogue, who teleports and smoke bombs all day long.It requires tactical skill and is very fun to play. It felt far more DA:O-ish.

Modifié par ZtalkerRM, 19 avril 2012 - 08:05 .


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Well, Mass Effect 3 in general wasn't a disappointment. In fact, I think it's among the greatest games I've ever played. Just thinking back to that god awful ending does ruin the series for me, but at the time ME3 was no disappointment.

DA2 was just overall a step down from DAO. I still enjoyed the game quite a lot but not as much as DAO.

That said, DA2 was a greater disappointment.

@OP

The blood and gore in both DAO and DA2 were a bit much, so I just turned it off...

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DA2.
Mass Effect 3 is a great game if you don't count the ending while Dragon Age 2 has (imho)
1- completely forgettable companions,
2- the same map every single time you enter a dungeon
3- a stupid and nonsense ending.

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ME3 is more disapointing because it is the direct sequel to Shepard's destiny. Now I'm happy DA:O is a stand alone by itself and DA2 can be totally ignored.

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Dragonage 2 by a landslide. I hated the ME3 ending, I was upset at the entirety of DA2.

Also I maintain that anybody who things the DA2 story was appealing has no idea what they're talking about. It was a mess all the way through

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Rodia Driftwood wrote...

 
They were both beautiful games and I still regret the cancellation of the DA2 DLC


This... Would have loved a DA2 expansion......

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Since I didn't really care about DA that much and the fact that I like DA2, ME3 is a much more disappointment. Because I like most people actually spend five years of my life into the first two games. ME3's ending sucked, it had lots of plot holes and didn't gave any satisfaction in general making it a huge disappointment.

Moreover, the animation during conversation is really odd. Sometime Shepard are talking to a blank empty space during conversation. Linear storyline, lack of choice during conversation. No dialogue wheel in some conversation. Import of character problem. All my maleshep are importable while all my femshep are not.

Why produce a M rated game when the nudity are for 1-8 year-old-kids. Showering with a bra, c'mon WTF!

Tali's face why why why! Making a reveal if you are not putting any love into your work. Seriously? Artistic vision? Are you people proud of the result?

The from Ashes DLC are not a cosmetic. Jarvik is one of the most important character in ME3. Why? He's a Prothean. Diana Allers is a cosmetic character, Alisha (WTF I don't care) sinan whatever is cosmetic. Jarvik is NOT COSMETIC.

The only good thing with ME3 is the multiplay adddition, I love it. I think I spend more time in mulitplay mode then singleplay mode. But the horde mode is getting borng, plus a lot of player are cheating in gold, fix it please, this makes the game in gold pointless to play. With cheating a mean, God mode, unlimited ammo (grenade), The widow fully automatic, the list is endless.

ME3 is still a very good game but not a "game of the year" kinda game, sorry. So, thank you BioWare for making the trilogy. But, judging by the way you people and EA are doing games I don't think I will support you anymore. There are better developer who makes games for hardcore gamer like CD PROJECT RED, and that is where my money are going.

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I think ME 3 is more disappointing than DA2. The story in DA2 was consistent, but need work. ME 3 story wasn't consistent. IT felt like 2 different games because of the ending in ME 3.

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Dragon Age 2 is simply an awful game, one of the worst this gen. But I didn't really except much out of it, I knew it has different characters and doesn't really continue anything so it's just bad by its own right, not dissapointing continuation.

Now ME3 is mostly great, it has problems outside the ending as well. I actually expected a lot from ME3 a the game fell short. So ME3 was more dissapointing though it was the better game.

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Belhawk wrote...

I think ME 3 is more disappointing than DA2. The story in DA2 was consistent, but need work. ME 3 story wasn't consistent. IT felt like 2 different games because of the ending in ME 3.


And DA2 really didnt do any damage other than to itself but ME3 destroyed the whole franchise when it went of the rails...

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Definitely DA2, also the worst ending from any RPG i have played.

ME3 is fine as is and just needs clarification and fixing plot holes.

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dragon age 2 was disappointing

but mass effect 3, can't believe how they butchered that game

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DA accomplished so much more than Mass Effect ,the fall was that much greater.

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Story : I prefer ME3 up to the end.

Game play : pretty much equal as far as I'm concerned.

Degree of disappointment : DA2 was "just a sequel", ME3 was the conclusion to the first ever ongoing computer role playing game. All the work Bioware had poured into ME1 and ME2 had made it a possible milestone in gaming history, a chef d'oeuvre for all the Bioware employees working on it. It isn't and that's more disappointing to me as a gam enthusiast than just making a lousy sequel.

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Lee T wrote...

Story : I prefer ME3 up to the end.

Game play : pretty much equal as far as I'm concerned.

Degree of disappointment : DA2 was "just a sequel", ME3 was the conclusion to the first ever ongoing computer role playing game. All the work Bioware had poured into ME1 and ME2 had made it a possible milestone in gaming history, a chef d'oeuvre for all the Bioware employees working on it. It isn't and that's more disappointing to me as a gam enthusiast than just making a lousy sequel.


No, those have been around for ages. Bioware even made one before.


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DA2 cos the entire games is crap.

ME3 is a great game with poorly handled endings and too many shortcuts, so it will not become a masterpiece. Still, a great game it is.

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ME3 because it has substantial connections with the prequel. In DA2 you get a new hero, a new story and some cameos.

Between those two the winner as more disappointing goes to ME3, because they really sucker-punch'd the fanbase with those endings.

It would be DA2 otherwise.

Modifié par Silasqtx, 19 avril 2012 - 09:43 .


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Both were a miserable trainwreck for all sorts of reasons. I don't see why I should need to pick favourites on which pile of sh*t stinks slightly worse than the other.

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Brony4LIFE wrote...

I am well aware of the weaknesses of Dragon Age 2. It is less tactical and expansive than DAO. But there were other reasons why I actually like DA2.

1. Hawke and his story was appealing,

2. The combat animations were more fluid (swinging mage stave like a boss),

3 .Blooming Rose was fun to visit.

4. The sequel found a more fitting tone compared to the messy, bloodsoaked mess that drenched Dragon Age: Origins (Seriously, everyone you came across was soaked in blood! More so than in DA2. Even blood got splashed on the DAO logo.)

With that said, and I know that this is the Mass Effect 3 room, I thought Mass Effect 3, as the sequel to a heavily applauded ME2 (In DA2 same position) was terrible accross all fonts. ME3 did everything wrong, in my opinion. One of the numerous reasons I cordially dislike ME3 was that the game took too many shortcuts. They cut corners in squadmate interaction. They cut corners in the endings. They cut corners presenting Cerberus as a major atangonist, (Despite some dissagreements, The Illusive Man was an ally to Shepard. No villain would bring you back from the dead just to betray you.) The only improvement ME3 made was the combat and inclusion of multiplayer.

Also, ME3 was undeniably, unquestionably, uncool. And terrible, too. Through everything ME3 failed in, the negative reaction it illicited, and all the gay sex, ME3 will alwaysn be remembered as a shameless sequel that made head-scratching and hair-pulling decisions of closing an acclaimed trilogy. Remember how everyone thought End of Evangelion was just the weirdest, most off-color ending to the Neon Genesis Evangelion series? Yea, everyone turning into orange tango was not much different than the Synthesis ending, all it was missing was the Jpop soundtrack. Oh wait, am I hearing the Faunts?

All in all, Dragon Age 2 may be an inferior and dissapointing product when compared to the original. Yet, the changes made for Dragon Age 2 ended up being appreciated by some, including myself. ME3 introduced inappropriate concepts for the sake of reaching the minimum quality. That is why ME3 is a more dissapointing sequel than Dragon Age 2 was. If Bioware needs to restore the fanbase's faith in the quality of games they can make, Dragon Age III is their ONE CHANCE.

Note: I know people are going to ignore this post just because they don't see any registered game content accolades underneath my picture, either that or this post is too long. I tried my best with the formatting! Okay! So, reason being why I don't have any games registered because my previous account got banned. I deleted it, forfeitted the accolades, and started a new one. But it's not like I had any accolades to begin with. :P



I think the dissapointment of Mass Effect 3 is still pretty fresh for you judging by your post, but there are some troubling omissions in terms of DA2 weaknesses and ME3 strengths.

Off the bat I will say that I was more dissapointed by ME3 than DA2 despite the fact that I think that ME3 is a much better game. DA:O was amazing. It was a long and interesting rpg that left me completely satisfied, only wondering what would happen to Morrigan and our demon child. I never bothered with most of the DLC (and only got awakening after DA2) because I felt my story was complete, and as a result I wasn't too hyped about a new DA game either. With ME3 however it was a direct extension of ME2 (play on ps3 so no ME), and as a sequel and conclusion to the amazing ME2 I expected it to be one of the best games I'd ever play.

With DA2 there was little they did right in my opinion. Some of the new party members were cool and the party chatter system was awesome. The more action oriented gameplay also had its moments, most notably zipping across the screen as a dual dagger rogue assassin. Thats about it really. At the end of the day however I vastly preferred the characters from DAO, hate what they did to Anders, and had a hard time caring about hawkes story when it felt the whole game was a mess of endless sidequests and repeated dungeons and locales. I also preffered the deeper strategic gameplay and rpg elements of the first. The whole mage/templar conflict was incredibly black and white too, and there were few memorable moments in the game as a whole. Did I mention that the decisions you made in the first game also had little effect on DA2?

With ME3 I felt that they refined the gameplay more. As much I hate everything being mapped to the x button, having greater mobilty and better melee attacks added a lot. And while the rpg elements were still limited, the weapon levels, mods, and cooldown/weight management system added a nice touch of depth to guns. (although I do miss the auto guns vs shields and slow vs armor mechanic of ME2) The addition of enemies with grenades also discourage the camping centric gameplay of its predecessor. The enemies do feel less diverse, but they way the work together often makes them more interesting to fight. And btw cerberus and TIM were indoctrinated because he was experimenting with reaper tech. The game had some great diologue moments and missions, and the deaths in particular I'd argue are the highlights of the series. Oh, and multiplayer is a blast.

Its weaknesses aside from its horrible and dissapointing ending are that it reduced the dialogue choices alot, had less variety in enemies, had less character development, and it still sucks collecting resources. I also would have preferred to see more consequences from previous decisions, but there are some cool ones throughout the story. The overall story structure felt more fragmented than ME2, but compared to DA2's fragmented year warping it felt vastly superior.

Overall I enjoyed both games, but DA2 was an average game that I expected little from, and ME3 was a great game with a couple big flaws that I expected to be a perfect game.

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Dragon Age 2.

Mass Effect 3 was a let down, but it wasn't a total "Why, oh why did they do this??" all the way through the game.

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I do not consider Dragon Age 2 as a sequel to Dragon Age: Origins

1. Hawke and his story was appealing,

2. The combat animations were more fluid (swinging mage stave like a boss),

3 .Blooming Rose was fun to visit.


Hawke story appealing? Go dig up post from the DA2 forum and see how many people was crying BORING!

Fluid Combat? What happened to A = Awesome!??????

Honestly, people will praise ME3 like never before when DA3 comes out and spit on DA3. This is after all BSN, the home of the nostalgic where the previous title is always infinitely better than the current one =P

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I liked DA2. ME3's ending left me depressive for two weeks. Take a guess.

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ashwind wrote...
Honestly, people will praise ME3 like never before when DA3 comes out and spit on DA3. This is after all BSN, the home of the nostalgic where the previous title is always infinitely better than the current one =P


There may be some truth to that if DA3 slides in the same direction. While DA2 is bad, it does nothing as bad as the ME3 endings. DA3 will really have to try hard to do something worse than the ME3 endings.