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[Banelash]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ashwind wrote...
Honestly, people will praise ME3 like never before when DA3 comes out and spit on DA3. This is after all BSN, the home of the nostalgic where the previous title is always infinitely better than the current one =P

There may be some truth to that if DA3 slides in the same direction. While DA2 is bad, it does nothing as bad as the ME3 endings. DA3 will really have to try hard to do something worse than the ME3 endings.

Agreed.

DA2, though abit of a fail, still have a glimmer of hope in the form of DA3 to pull it up.
ME3, is suppose to be the last of the trilogy and it ended quite incoherent and muted the whole series.

[DnVill]

Can't really decide which one is worse. One things for sure though.

I won't be buying DA3. I've had enough of Bioware and it's super hype up PR skillz

[Troar]

whiteraider wrote...

Belhawk wrote...

I think ME 3 is more disappointing than DA2. The story in DA2 was consistent, but need work. ME 3 story wasn't consistent. IT felt like 2 different games because of the ending in ME 3.

And DA2 really didnt do any damage other than to itself but ME3 destroyed the whole franchise when it went of the rails...

It did though. I, for one, will think twice before buying any new Dragon Age game, while DA2 I had preordered, and anticipated highly.
For ME3, I disliked the endings, but I still enjoyed the game, and I think I would purchase Mass Effect 4, if it was ever to be released.

[AkiKishi]

Banelash wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

ashwind wrote...
Honestly, people will praise ME3 like never before when DA3 comes out and spit on DA3. This is after all BSN, the home of the nostalgic where the previous title is always infinitely better than the current one =P

There may be some truth to that if DA3 slides in the same direction. While DA2 is bad, it does nothing as bad as the ME3 endings. DA3 will really have to try hard to do something worse than the ME3 endings.

Agreed.

DA2, though abit of a fail, still have a glimmer of hope in the form of DA3 to pull it up.
ME3, is suppose to be the last of the trilogy and it ended quite incoherent and muted the whole series.

Well IF and it is a really big IF right now. DA3 can turn things around it has the potential to be a much better franchise than Mass Effect. Mass Effect is now too tied to the Shepard character and crew for its identity and will have trouble breaking away from that. Dragon Ages story is also a slow burner , where as Mass Effect has already played it's biggest card with the Reapers, and will again struggle to match that epicness in another "bad guy".

Mass Effect is likely going to end up going the same was as C&C with spin offs and and declining quality till cancelation. It's the differece between writing a good potential game and a good potential franchise.

[ashwind]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ashwind wrote...
Honestly, people will praise ME3 like never before when DA3 comes out and spit on DA3. This is after all BSN, the home of the nostalgic where the previous title is always infinitely better than the current one =P

There may be some truth to that if DA3 slides in the same direction. While DA2 is bad, it does nothing as bad as the ME3 endings. DA3 will really have to try hard to do something worse than the ME3 endings.

The entire DA2 is like the last 10 minutes of ME3. Search youtube to refresh your memory.

Instead of the RGB label, the forums were flooded with AWESOME labels, the recycle environment, the super low framerates, texture problem.

Remeber Chapter 1, remember what was said then? I will refresh some of your memories because those who condemn ME3 because of the endings clearly have selective memories:

"I do not feel motivated to continue playing DA2 because there is no story, I am just running around getting money. And when I am just starting to get into the story, OMG! The game's ending crash and burn!"

How can people even compare a bad ending to a ... umm an entire game that is...  wasted potential.

I am sure when DA3 comes out, people like the OP will say things like:
"Even though ME3's ending sux! But DA3 got it wrong in so many ways!! Doom to Bioware! Doom to EA"

We shall see.

[Baldrick67]

ME3 for sure.

It was supposed to be the epic conclusion to a trilogy, not a rushed, confusing and illogical train wreck. They took so much out like the mini games to unlock or open things, a decent journal and quest system and put in multi-player.
At this rate If they release another ME game it would be so dumbed down chimps could play it.

[Vez04]

DA2.

The character development that went into most of the characters in DA2 was nothing compared to those in ME3.

Hawke (both male/female) and Isabela especially was boring as sin to experiance.

ME3 was by far superior on almost all fronts (except as all is saying, the endings)

One of the reasons i come back to play ME 1/2/3 more frequently instead of DA franchise is mostly because the characters are much more engageing and interesting to listen/chat with in my opionion then DA2s.

Modifié par Vez04, 19 avril 2012 - 11:20 .

[CroGamer002]

Considering I prefer DA2 over DA:O in almost every way, I think answer is clear that is ME3.

Mainly do to last 15 minutes.

[AkiKishi]

ashwind wrote...

The entire DA2 is like the last 10 minutes of ME3. Search youtube to refresh your memory.

Instead of the RGB label, the forums were flooded with AWESOME labels, the recycle environment, the super low framerates, texture problem.

Remeber Chapter 1, remember what was said then? I will refresh some of your memories because those who condemn ME3 because of the endings clearly have selective memories:

"I do not feel motivated to continue playing DA2 because there is no story, I am just running around getting money. And when I am just starting to get into the story, OMG! The game's ending crash and burn!"

How can people even compare a bad ending to a ... umm an entire game that is...  wasted potential.

I am sure when DA3 comes out, people like the OP will say things like:
"Even though ME3's ending sux! But DA3 got it wrong in so many ways!! Doom to Bioware! Doom to EA"

We shall see.

No it's not that bad. It's bad yes , but in ME terms it's Mars not the ending.

You mean like having 2d sprites in ME3? 

DA2 lacks epicness no argument there. But many of the things DA2 is guilty of ME3 is guilty of too, perhaps not to the same extent, but the flaws are there. The big difference is this. In DA2 you spend all your time in a small area so you got to notice everything. In ME3 because you only spend any time on the Citadel , people tend not to notice things like the diagnally running husks on Earth for example.

As I said DA3 will have to try really hard to do anything as badly as to get the same reaction as the ME3 ending(s).

[Cucobr]

 bitc* please

Dragon Age 2.



Mass Effect 3 onlt the ending was terrible.

[wright1978]

DA2 had some serious gameplay flaws. I still found some enjoyment replaying despite these.
Mass Effect 3 has an utter trainwreck of an ending. The ending was so bad that i have no desire currently to replay the game.

[MingWolf]

ME3 had it's problems, and the ending wasn't exactly thrilling, but for me, the game turned out relatively satisfying and comes nowhere close to how awful DA2 felt for me. It's been a year, and I still cannot get over the poor impression that game left for me, which is perhaps the worst since I first PC gamed back in the '90s. Heck, my first games i played were 2d, pixellated, mostly text based, and still felt more complete than the DA title last year that was marketed as a AAA++ title. The plot was disjointed, the dialogue was wooden, the theme was over-the-top ideological, and of course there is the issue of reuse maps, repetitive wave-form combat, and story sequences that just made little sense. At least ME3 had somewhat decent gameplay, consistency in graphics, and a focal point in the story. If DA3 turns out to be another mage and templar centred game... I can't even bear the thought. My subjective opinion.

[Samtheman63]

ME3 was great with a dodgy ending

DA2 was horrible start to finish

[sackyhack]

Samtheman63 wrote...

ME3 was great with a dodgy ending

DA2 was horrible start to finish

This.

99% of ME3 is great. All DA2 had going for it was the characters, so it was torture playing through it just to see how things turned out for them.

[LordOfTheBytes]

I enjoyed both games, but ME3 is so much better than DA2 in many ways (better graphics, more locations, better soundtrack, meaningful choices, better gameplay, slightly better writing).

Modifié par LordOfTheBytes, 19 avril 2012 - 12:09 .

[Conway044]

Brony4LIFE wrote...

freler31 wrote...

Brony4LIFE wrote...


3. Homophobia wasn't actually a term until 1969, when it was coined by George Weinberg in a May 23rd, 1969 edition issue of a weekly pornographic tabloid called Screw. The values of civilization will continue to follow through decadence as long as it's media and propaganda seeks to administer to the men who seek the same level as recognition actual social classes do (ethnic minorities, poor, rich, African-Americans, Asains, Caucasions, Americans, Hispanics). If you think people saying that they dislike gay sex is considered a form of homophobia or hate speech, people saying that they dislike beastality will be considered hate speech as well in the future. I wonder what they will call that? Beastiphobia?

You're comparing disliking what consenting adults do in private with disliking the abuse of animals. You need to grow the hell up.

Prostitution has always been consenting, too, hasn't it? Oh, and I can sense hypocrisy in your statement. When was the last time you ate a hamburger? Don't worry, [whispers in your ear] I ate one too.

No.  Violence, forced addiction to drugs and other means are frequently used to force women and girls into being prostitutes. 

[archvonbaron]

ME3 destroyed the whole ME trilogy for me whereas I actually like DA2 (probably because I went in with low expectations after talking to some friends about it).

Granted ME3 is 90% brilliant the ending just makes me sit there and wonder what the point is in replaying any of the games as nothing I do matter, I may as well just play ME3 and get the same result.

[NoxNoctum]

 I haven't played ME3 or DA2, but I did dislike that in DA:O whenever I said something nice/friendly to the bisexual elf he started acting like it was some sort of come on, which was just really annoying and felt like the game was trying to push an agenda or something. Whatever, I just ignored it, but it meant I couldn't be just "friendly" to the elf, if I didn't want some sort of romantic dialogue coming up, which was lame.

Maybe that's what the OP means, because I've yet to encounter that in any other RPG, and I've heard it's something unique to Bioware games.

But maybe that's just more the fault of terrible dialogue options.

[llandwynwyn]

ME3.

Samtheman63 wrote...

ME3 was great with a dodgy ending

DA2 was horrible start to finish

Well, at least DA2 had 3 options of dialogue.

Modifié par llandwynwyn, 19 avril 2012 - 12:27 .

[Haargel]

Hmm... irrelevant for me as I never played DA2, I did play some DA:O and I enjoyed it, however I got bored after a while.

I'd rather be in space on ships, firing guns.

ME3 was disappointing for me

[AlienSpaceBats]

ME3.

I did not expect to like DAII at all but was pleasantly surprised by it. I was never a huge Origins fan, but played it through a couple of times anyway. My expectations for ME3 were incredibly high (and if I'm honest, impossible to meet), especially after ME2 which really raised the bar in terms of action and emotional involvement.

I'd just like to add that it (ME3) is still an excellent game - despite its, uh, shortcomings (endings).

Modifié par AlienSpaceBats, 19 avril 2012 - 12:31 .

[Chewin]

All I see in OP's post is him/her trying to make his/her subjective opinions objective.

Modifié par Chewin3, 19 avril 2012 - 12:34 .

[Spiritwolf1]

I really loved both games... And I dont understand how the gay thing ruined Mass Effect 3. It was not more prevalent then in any other of the Mass Effect or Dragon age games. I loved the character interaction in DA2 although new background would have been nice. ME3 wasn't disappointing until the very end. I had wished they would do more with the banter with the squad mates but other then that I loved both,

[BerzerkGene]

I actually liked Dragon age 2, although i played it before i played origins, as it stands i liked awakening the best, even if it was only an expansion, but it had be favourite epilogue by far. The reusing levels in DA2 was pretty damn annoying, plus it made me feel like entirety of thedas was red, brown and gray, even the water seemed depressed.
Mass effect 3 i did like, except for the ending, there were some things wrong with it, no question, but nothing is perfect. The ending is what makes it so bad, right from the beginning you have some idea of the ending in DA2, ME3's comes right out of nowhere introduces us to something that should not bloody exist since it invalidates(at least!) a whole games plot. It ruins what would basically be one of the best sci fi franchises of all time.
For the record i liked both ME1 and 2, although i found driving around in the mako all the time pretty boring and the constant repetitive missions and Mass effect 2 was extremely action oriented(not that i don't like that, but you probably should have been able to use shepard's charisma personified status to resolve more) and diverged a little from the main story, but you got loads of new characters, backstory, and a lot of fun missions.
I think the extended cut at this point is the one chance from redemption, if that flops, bioware will lose a large chunk of the fanbase, the ones who preorder and buy the extra swag. I have the preordered edition of both DA2 and Me3 collectors, the latter of which feels like a waste of money at this point, hell i play fable 3 more often now and ive beaten that 6 times, as opposed to 3 times on me3 then i just quit because i didn't see anything worth doing anymore.

[leighzard]

DA2 was the worse game. The environment recycling was really unforgivable. And I think a lot of my disappointment with DA2 comes from my having ridiculous expectations for it, so that's my own fault. I've still played and enjoyed the game several times.

ME3 was totally awesome. Right up until Haley Joel Osment circa 1999 made a guest appearance on the Citadel. But the endings pretty much ruined the whole experience. What's the point of choosing paragon over renegade over the course of 120 hours only to have a rainbow shoot out of the Mass Relays no matter what you do? I didn't feel like I'd built up the closing of the trilogy too much. BW proved they could make an awesome game in the first 38 hours, but then they just dropped the ball.

So I guess objectively, DA2 was the worse sequel, but ME3 hurt more. I'm only playing MP right now, and I'm sure I'll get tired of that soon. I guess I'll just wait to see how the EC plays out this summer.