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[dreman9999]

 My problem with how everyone is taking the starkid is the fact that so many people are willing to think everything he states is fact.
The thing about it is that there is nothing to show he is telling the truth at all. He give no proof that we can control the reapers, and no proof  that sythisis they way he says will happen can happen or what it really is. He just say some based less vague statements with no real explinations that is countered by everyhting stated about them before...This usually happens when someone is lieing...

Another thing is the fact  that the star child  doesn't  anything new to the arguement, he just reused what other reapers have stated. 
For one, that concept of the reaper perspective on cycle, perserving organic life and  leaving the lesser advance  life was shown in ME2 with the baby reaper and the collectorsand everything Sovergin says.
Then everything stating about synthetic realing ageint organic is broughy up by the the rennoch reaper.He never really tells us anything new nor explines anything.

Finally, the reaper themselves have a history of diseption, form ME1 with the relay trap, indoctrination, and all the traps the reapers use to try to get Shepard from the collector ship, reaper IFF, and the event on Arrival. One can easilly see that they have a strong history of diseption. To say that they would suddenly give you  salutions that is  nothing to do with destroying just as you are about destroy themto begs the question if one suddenly just believe what is stated.

With the reaper histroy of deseption, prestated facts,the warping of the true and no willingness to give detail just like before, I wound how anyone can really trust the star kid.
Is the star kid telling the truth and is there proof?

[The Angry One]

You can't, because his assertions are unprovable. He uses logical fallacies, assumptions and circular logic to justify it's psychopathic insanity.

The mere fact that organic life was never totally exterminated before the Reapers existed disproves everything it claims.

[mrbthq]

Nah, that brat was probably lying, I wish I could have done a Jack Bauer torture scene on him.

[Mr.House]

The Angry One wrote...

You can't, because his assertions are unprovable. He uses logical fallacies, assumptions and circular logic to justify it's psychopathic insanity.

The mere fact that organic life was never totally exterminated before the Reapers existed disproves everything it claims.

Pretty much this.

[Jagri]

Of course he isn't lying! He generally and honestly wants to stop the cycle *Snicker*

Now go choice one of the fellowing methods to die!

1) Becoming a grounding point.
2) Fall to your death.
3) Walk into a explosion.

Ignore that voice in your head suggesting it would be more logical to find a control panel with buttons.

[varteral6162]

Star child synthetic theory gets hit from a minor character from ME1. anyone remember Citadel: signal trafficking assignment in ME1, the AI at the end of the assignment says: " organics will always seek to destroy or control all synthetic life".

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...



The mere fact that organic life was never totally exterminated before the Reapers existed disproves everything it claims.

You missing the point....The arguement for why the reapers are doing what there doing is not his arguements. There from other reapers...He is just reusing them.
You missing a key concept of the reapers whenyou make a statement like that.....They never want to , are willing to, and even thing is a point to explaining anything to organics. They always invade and havest organic with outexpining anything. This was stated by vigial.They are not here to prove their point...They are here to impose it. They don't care what we think. It's clear they have all the fact to prove there point. They are timeless machines that made a trap to lure and entrap organic civaliastionthat lasted for eons.....The planning for that is staggering. They have to study and watch organics to under stand us that well. It's an advance version of Skinners pigeons psyological tests...http://www.psycholog...uperstition.php 

The point is, if you saying they don't provide proof to the findings, the truth is that the reapers are not here to debate nor are willing too.
Which makes them much worse....

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...



The mere fact that organic life was never totally exterminated before the Reapers existed disproves everything it claims.

You missing the point....The arguement for why the reapers are doing what there doing is not his arguements. There from other reapers...He is just reusing them.
You missing a key concept of the reapers whenyou make a statement like that.....They never want to , are willing to, and even thing is a point to explaining anything to organics. They always invade and havest organic with outexpining anything. This was stated by vigial.They are not here to prove their point...They are here to impose it. They don't care what we think. It's clear they have all the fact to prove there point. They are timeless machines that made a trap to lure and entrap organic civaliastionthat lasted for eons.....The planning for that is staggering. They have to study and watch organics to under stand us that well. It's an advance version of Skinners pigeons psyological tests...http://www.psycholog...uperstition.php 

The point is, if you saying they don't provide proof to the findings, the truth is that the reapers are not here to debate nor are willing too.
Which makes them much worse....

Your entire point is moot, the Catalyst is all too willing to explain his reasons, and they are HIS reasons. He controls the Reapers. They are his solution.

[dreman9999]

Jagri wrote...

Of course he isn't lying! He generally and honestly wants to stop the cycle *Snicker*

Now go choice one of the fellowing methods to die!

1) Becoming a grounding point.
2) Fall to your death.
3) Walk into a explosion.

Ignore that voice in your head suggesting it would be more logical to find a control panel with buttons.

*rotfl
*then stand up claping with tears in eys.

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

The mere fact that organic life was never totally exterminated before the Reapers existed disproves everything it claims.

That's like saying "In 1000 years, my house was never struck by a meteor - my house must be meteor-proof."

On a long enough timeline, the Catalyst's scenario can indeed come to pass. That it hasn't yet just means that, from the machines' perspective, it hasn't been long enough.

Whether you'd agree with his solution is another matter, however.

[The Angry One]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

The mere fact that organic life was never totally exterminated before the Reapers existed disproves everything it claims.

That's like saying "In 1000 years, my house was never struck by a meteor - my house must be meteor-proof."

On a long enough timeline, the Catalyst's scenario can indeed come to pass. That it hasn't yet just means that, from the machines' perspective, it hasn't been long enough.

Whether you'd agree with his solution is another matter, however.

Yeah, except replace 1000 years with billions of years. Billions of years that had to have gone by before the Reapers were even a concept.

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...



The mere fact that organic life was never totally exterminated before the Reapers existed disproves everything it claims.

You missing the point....The arguement for why the reapers are doing what there doing is not his arguements. There from other reapers...He is just reusing them.
You missing a key concept of the reapers whenyou make a statement like that.....They never want to , are willing to, and even thing is a point to explaining anything to organics. They always invade and havest organic with outexpining anything. This was stated by vigial.They are not here to prove their point...They are here to impose it. They don't care what we think. It's clear they have all the fact to prove there point. They are timeless machines that made a trap to lure and entrap organic civaliastionthat lasted for eons.....The planning for that is staggering. They have to study and watch organics to under stand us that well. It's an advance version of Skinners pigeons psyological tests...http://www.psycholog...uperstition.php 

The point is, if you saying they don't provide proof to the findings, the truth is that the reapers are not here to debate nor are willing too.
Which makes them much worse....

Your entire point is moot, the Catalyst is all too willing to explain his reasons, and they are HIS reasons. He controls the Reapers. They are his solution.

What is the topic about? Really, stating this is just going to get this decustion in curcles.
......

1. Is the stare kid telling the truth?He really is just repeating what the other reapers said.
2.The reaper are here to imposes their beliefs not debate them.

..........
What you posted before is awnser in statement 2.
What you stated now is awnsered in statment 1.
Reaper want to impose there beleifs not debate them and the starkid, based on the past action of the reapers, can easilly be lieing.
Any more arguing on this will just have everything go in circles.

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah, except replace 1000 years with billions of years. Billions of years that had to have gone by before the Reapers were even a concept.

Why stop there? Go to trillions, or quadrillions even.

The point is that, to an immortal machine, all it would see is the probability of that occurrence approaching 1. The length of time it takes to do so wouldn't be relevant to its conclusion - only the preservation of the galaxy as a going concern.

[The Angry One]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah, except replace 1000 years with billions of years. Billions of years that had to have gone by before the Reapers were even a concept.

Why stop there? Go to trillions, or quadrillions even.

The point is that, to an immortal machine, all it would see is the probability of that occurrence approaching 1. The length of time it takes to do so wouldn't be relevant to its conclusion - only the preservation of the galaxy as a going concern.

The point is, it has never occured and will never occur. The Catalyst is basing everything on assumptions and self-fulfilling prophecies.

Modifié par The Angry One, 19 avril 2012 - 07:06 .

[Meltemph]

On a long enough timeline, the Catalyst's scenario can indeed come to pass.

That is not true... It could come to pass if it is possible, but we nor the reapers have any idea if it is possible. Destroying all organic life is a job for a god, not a synthetic, no matter how powerful. Also, destroying all organic life is impossible, unless they can all the sudden halt the nature of the universe.

On a planet wide scale, yes, all organic life being destroyed is obvious, since the reapers are synthetics and are doing this. That said, their supposed idea for what they are doing if not a lie, is delusional. But since the Star Brat is an AI as well, it is suffice to say, whover made them, was a nut job or an idiot, one or the other.

[dreman9999]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

The mere fact that organic life was never totally exterminated before the Reapers existed disproves everything it claims.

That's like saying "In 1000 years, my house was never struck by a meteor - my house must be meteor-proof."

On a long enough timeline, the Catalyst's scenario can indeed come to pass. That it hasn't yet just means that, from the machines' perspective, it hasn't been long enough.

Whether you'd agree with his solution is another matter, however.

That's also say that because the Krogon rebelled 1000 years age we have to keep them infected with the genophage because they may uprise and rebell agein...

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...
What is the topic about? Really, stating this is just going to get this decustion in curcles.
......

1. Is the stare kid telling the truth?He really is just repeating what the other reapers said.
2.The reaper are here to imposes their beliefs not debate them.

..........
What you posted before is awnser in statement 2.
What you stated now is awnsered in statment 1.
Reaper want to impose there beleifs not debate them and the starkid, based on the past action of the reapers, can easilly be lieing.
Any more arguing on this will just have everything go in circles.

If the starbaby is lying then he's lying. If it's telling the truth as it sees it, then it's just it's biased and psychopathic view, which is unprovable because it has no basis in reality.
Either way, the starbaby is not keeping it's reasons secret like it's puppets, it is clearly stating it's reasons.

[Clayless]

It's not meant to be debated, either you don't believe him and let the galaxy die, or you do believe him on the chance you'll save the galaxy.

If you don't believe him that's fine, have fun letting the galaxy die forever.

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah, except replace 1000 years with billions of years. Billions of years that had to have gone by before the Reapers were even a concept.

Why stop there? Go to trillions, or quadrillions even.

The point is that, to an immortal machine, all it would see is the probability of that occurrence approaching 1. The length of time it takes to do so wouldn't be relevant to its conclusion - only the preservation of the galaxy as a going concern.

The point is, it has never occured and will never occur. The Catalyst is basing everything on assumptions and self-fulfillin prophecies.

This is the problem with your comment...You don't know if it didnot occur....You're not timeless and exsisted for eons and eons...The reaper are tiemless machines....They could of easilly watched it happen before.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 avril 2012 - 07:09 .

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah, except replace 1000 years with billions of years. Billions of years that had to have gone by before the Reapers were even a concept.

Why stop there? Go to trillions, or quadrillions even.

The point is that, to an immortal machine, all it would see is the probability of that occurrence approaching 1. The length of time it takes to do so wouldn't be relevant to its conclusion - only the preservation of the galaxy as a going concern.

The point is, it has never occured and will never occur. The Catalyst is basing everything on assumptions and self-fulfillin prophecies.

This is the problem with your comment...You don't know if it did occur....You not timeless and excited for eons and eons...The reaper are tiemless machines....They could of easilly watched it happen before.

Organic life still exists.
Therefore, organic life was never wiped out, ever.
There had to be billions of years before the Reapers ever existed to "protect" organic life, and yet organic life did just fine.

Modifié par The Angry One, 19 avril 2012 - 07:10 .

[The Angry One]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

It's not meant to be debated, either you don't believe him and let the galaxy die, or you do believe him on the chance you'll save the galaxy.

If you don't believe him that's fine, have fun letting the galaxy die forever.

Galaxy dies if you believe his idiocy, have fun there.

[Meltemph]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah, except replace 1000 years with billions of years. Billions of years that had to have gone by before the Reapers were even a concept.

Why stop there? Go to trillions, or quadrillions even.

The point is that, to an immortal machine, all it would see is the probability of that occurrence approaching 1. The length of time it takes to do so wouldn't be relevant to its conclusion - only the preservation of the galaxy as a going concern.

The point is, it has never occured and will never occur. The Catalyst is basing everything on assumptions and self-fulfillin prophecies.

This is the problem with your comment...You don't know if it didnot occur....You're not timeless and exsisted for eons and eons...The reaper are tiemless machines....They could of easilly watched it happen before.

Just because you are old, doesnt mean you have a monoploly on being right.  Unless the writers are trying to write that evolution is now all the sudden pertictable, which they could be, but if they are trying to infer this they really didnt do a good job arguing the point, then what the reapers claim is an ipossibility.

Also, Q was VERY old, and still wrong alot. 

Modifié par Meltemph, 19 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

The point is, it has never occured and will never occur. The Catalyst is basing everything on assumptions and self-fulfilling prophecies.

Won't it? None of us can see the future. The odds merely get more and more in his favor on a long enough timeline.
It's not fair at all of course - but being a machine, he wouldn't care about that either.

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...


Organic life still exists.
Therefore, organic life was never wiped out, ever.
There had to be billions of years before the Reapers ever existed to "protect" organic life, and yet organic life did just fine.

Exactly - the meteor never hit your house. (Yet.)

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
What is the topic about? Really, stating this is just going to get this decustion in curcles.
......

1. Is the stare kid telling the truth?He really is just repeating what the other reapers said.
2.The reaper are here to imposes their beliefs not debate them.

..........
What you posted before is awnser in statement 2.
What you stated now is awnsered in statment 1.
Reaper want to impose there beleifs not debate them and the starkid, based on the past action of the reapers, can easilly be lieing.
Any more arguing on this will just have everything go in circles.

If the starbaby is lying then he's lying. If it's telling the truth as it sees it, then it's just it's biased and psychopathic view, which is unprovable because it has no basis in reality.
Either way, the starbaby is not keeping it's reasons secret like it's puppets, it is clearly stating it's reasons.

The thing is that everything thing he is stated for the reason  the reapersare doing this has been stated by other reapers before him. This is not really a statement from him alone. The fact remines he's not give us the reasons the reapers are doing this...He's just repeating what other reapers said.  He'snot stating his reason. As stated before....
1. Is the stare kid telling the truth?He really is just repeating what the other reapers said.
2.The reaper are here to imposes their beliefs not debate them.