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[KTheAlchemist]

I do think that there are some serious problems keeping ME3 multi from being everything it could be. Gold brings up some severe class imbalance issues (queue up for gold as a level 20 properly spec'd and kitted vanguard, yes even krogan, or a non-batarian soldier, see how many kicks you get). The ease of defending Firebase White, the extreme difficulty in setting up defensible positions in many of the other maps, and the buggy sync kills that only the Geth enemy set is free from all combine to make Firebase White, Geth, Gold a clearly superior choice to others.

That said, the way you worded this post isn't helping your point. "X is ruined" just sounds whiny. I dig your actual points, but the OP title is just plain inflammatory.

Modifié par KTheAlchemist, 19 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[Serkevan]

Well, maybe you don't have to play and hold the line, but go out there and give'em hell, as some Turian would say. And my friends and me (I am not by any means a pro player, I suck at shooters) have beaten cerberus/geth gold in more than a couple maps. Not reapers yet, but it will come. And that's with me using a Kroguard, another one with turian soldier, a Drell Adept and a Quarian Infiltrator.

[Startkabel]

Serkevan wrote...

Ahem. No self-tech bursts? HA.HA.HA.HA.

A) Human engineer has TWO. Tech and Fire. Also, Fire Explosion deals almost twice the damage of a biotic explosion AND burns enemies. Tech burst is incredibly easy to setup, so you just suck.

Quarian Engineer has Cryo explosion and, if there is anything with a damaging power (guess what, e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e else) also has the Fire explosion.

C) Salarian Engineer: same as human. With the added benefit that Overload and ED stack, spamspamspam FTW.

D)As I said, any damaging power detonates a tech burst. Oh, yes, this means a Batarian Sentinel who has at least one point in shockwave, can detonate its own tech burst too!

And if you think the Asari Adept is OP, you haven't seen neither the Kroguard, nor a good Drell Adept against reapers, nor a half decent Novaguard, nor... hey, guess what, most classes are balanced, some just have the added need of aiming at the enemy and not "herp-derp-I-has-seeker-missiles". Well, on a side note, on PC at least Warp seems to miss a lot, even being host. It happens to all my friends too, anyone else having that problem?

This are just combos in theory which you cannot execute in the game because of reload times. For example if you use overload with the engineer you cannot finish the combo with incinerate because of the cooldown. You rely on teammates to finish the combo.
Also the ammo is nice but does not work most of the time and still you are relying on ammo which is a consumable so still underpowered compared to Biotic Detonations.

[Serkevan]

Startkabel wrote...
This are just combos in theory which you cannot execute in the game because of reload times. For example if you use overload with the engineer you cannot finish the combo with incinerate because of the cooldown. You rely on teammates to finish the combo.
Also the ammo is nice but does not work most of the time and still you are relying on ammo which is a consumable so still underpowered compared to Biotic Detonations.

It is called "teamwork". Rule number one; don't use a biotic on a burned/frozen/electrified enemy. At 2.5 seconds of CD, you can incinerate what you just overloaded. At least I do, and I am by no means an excellent player. SO you better play with friends, or tell them not to ruin the combos, or whatever, but don't say you can't just because you can't.

EDIT: I forgot that if someone else detonates your combo (which, I repeat, can be done with ANY power) it is YOU who get both the points and the kill if there is one.

Modifié par Serkevan, 19 avril 2012 - 09:26 .

[staindgrey]

Startkabel wrote...

• Characters are not balanced
  The Asari Adept that has Stasis, Warp and Throw can make several combinations to create Biotic Detonations and is probably still the most effective character in the game. The Salarian Infiltrator has Cloak and drain and makes the fastest kills. The soldier for example is a useless character compared to these characters and also there is no character that can make use of tech burst as effectively as other characters can make use of the Biotic Detonations because there is not a single character that can make Tech Burst on his own. You can say that Biotics are overpowered at least
  
• Diablo3 is coming out 15 May and Mass Effect will be forgotten

Er... On your balance point, 1) it's impossible to fully balance every character perfectly, and 2) it's not nearly as lopsided as you put it. You don't even mention the usefulness of Vanguards, or the sheer power of batarian and turian soldiers, or the varying uses of each class and how a team that better compliments one another's strengths is better than a team full of score-chasers... etc. etc. Basically, you're exaggerating the balance issue. Any class in any species (except maybe human adept) is fully capable of leading the team. Not that leading the team is what matters in the first place.

Then, secondly, Diablo III is appealing to a very, very different market than is ME3's multiplayer. It's like saying that American football will lose its fans once pro golf gets in gear because they're both sports. That's hardly the case.

[Wesus]

Op is just à bad player.

[kevchy]

My Turian Sentinel can create tech bursts by himself using warp on overloaded targets very easily and quickly, even in an intense firefight. I didn't need any of my team mates help, although it would be welcomed.

[Shezo]

Wesus wrote...

Op ur an idiot

Saying overpowered in à Co-op multiplayer is just /facepalm

D3 is 15 may not march u imbecile

USE THE SEARCH BUTTON THERE ARE 1.000.000 OF THESE ****TY DEAR DIARY POSTS REGARDING THE SAME WHINY THING

The irony is strong with this one.

[siffers]

You guys are dummos. Biotic detonations are superior because they don't require the final part of the combination to be a kill shot. Basically any time a prime, atlas or any target that has ridiculously high health spawns on gold all the biotic players just mash them with biotic powers hammering out detonations which slaughter everything around the large target whilst doing a lot of damage to the target as well. Where as your tech burst or incendiary burst which may do a little more damage doesn't get set of at any where near the same rate. This is why biotics will always be superior.

Yes any group of classes can finish a gold map if the players are good enough but that is a ridiculous point, it doesn't mean the classes are balanced well because they aren't to many of the people commenting on balance issues are bronze and silver players that have no idea what they are talking about.

one guy earlier in this thread made the most idiotic comment that some classes were for silver and bronze and others for gold. It's beyond ridiculous that people make those kind of excuses.

[GGW KillerTiger]

 It's coopwerative ..... Charachters aren't supossed to be exactly the same and all universal can do everything guys ..... You're supossed to balance one another out ....

[GGW KillerTiger]

siffers wrote...

You guys are dummos. Biotic detonations are superior because they don't require the final part of the combination to be a kill shot. Basically any time a prime, atlas or any target that has ridiculously high health spawns on gold all the biotic players just mash them with biotic powers hammering out detonations which slaughter everything around the large target whilst doing a lot of damage to the target as well. Where as your tech burst or incendiary burst which may do a little more damage doesn't get set of at any where near the same rate. This is why biotics will always be superior.

Yes any group of classes can finish a gold map if the players are good enough but that is a ridiculous point, it doesn't mean the classes are balanced well because they aren't to many of the people commenting on balance issues are bronze and silver players that have no idea what they are talking about.

one guy earlier in this thread made the most idiotic comment that some classes were for silver and bronze and others for gold. It's beyond ridiculous that people make those kind of excuses.

Biotics superior? Lol ..... Snipers would love to have a word with you 

Also truly learn the bursts/explosions before speaking hypocrysy ....

Tech bursts can be set off without killing the target ... Only fire explosions and frost explosions require the target to be killed ...

Modifié par GGW KillerTiger, 19 avril 2012 - 11:00 .

[Typhoniel]

Diablo 3 won't be that awesome. There is too much hype about it but in the end it will be as good as you think. I am pretty sure about that. Blizzard forgot about quality in the last years for the masses.

MP is ruined because of the random unlock system

MP is ruined because of the weapons that are in single player but not in MP

MP is ruined because of the lack of (different) coop missions

MP is ruined because of credits are only achieved when you win or lose the mission, if you crash or disconnect there is no money for you

Modifié par Typhoniel, 19 avril 2012 - 11:03 .

[Startkabel]

Biotics are superior over snipers because a biotic detonation does more damage and also does collateral damage to the surroundings. Biotics can control crowds, snipers cannot.

Snipers are more efficient when it comes to quicly killing a normal enemy, but when you only play with snipers you will have a hard time on Gold. In the end you will be overrun by big opponents because you focus on 1 enemy at the time.

[Handheld Biscuit]

Serkevan wrote...

There is no way you can oneshot a ravager if there are less than 4 explosions. At least if the calculations I did back in the day are correct, which may not be. In any case, those things have the biggest damage in the game.

I dont know how big a ravagers armor pool is but grenades can do over 2700 damage themselves(depending on how you spec) and then you add the damage from a biotic explosion on top of that...

It wouldnt make sense that it could cause 4 explosions as there are only either 2 or 3 grenades, maybe multiple explosions can be triggered when a seperate grenade hits a nearby reaved enemy where the ravager happens to be in the blast radius

[Terry07]

diablo 3 is a different type of game. You cant compare a fps to a sword and magic rpg. For me I would be interested in diablo 3 but at the moment, I'm in the mood for fps games. And I choose ME3.

And for characters that r not balanced. Don't You think that other rpg type games have this problem? Most mmos have this problem. I guarantee diablo 3 will be one of them.

And for farming. Eg diablo. When you finish the game, what do you think u r going to do after u finish the story? That's right. Farm bosses like in diablo 2. Baal runs. mephisto runs. Trust me. Even diablo 3 will have this. Plus they will have the market place where you actually use real money to buy
In-game items. It's all the same in the end.

[Farmtech-Ru]

I no longer farm fbw, I don't like asari adept, I know how to avoid most bugs. Post = wrong

[icemount]

Every engineer can make Tech Combos mate. As well as K and T sentinels, even a Krogan Soldier. And this is all without any specific ammo. Though I agree techs are more difficult, as enemies must die from the second power, so You need more practice to learn they health caps.

Modifié par icemount, 19 avril 2012 - 11:42 .

[Startkabel]

Terry07 wrote...

diablo 3 is a different type of game. You cant compare a fps to a sword and magic rpg. For me I would be interested in diablo 3 but at the moment, I'm in the mood for fps games. And I choose ME3.

And for characters that r not balanced. Don't You think that other rpg type games have this problem? Most mmos have this problem. I guarantee diablo 3 will be one of them.

And for farming. Eg diablo. When you finish the game, what do you think u r going to do after u finish the story? That's right. Farm bosses like in diablo 2. Baal runs. mephisto runs. Trust me. Even diablo 3 will have this. Plus they will have the market place where you actually use real money to buy
In-game items. It's all the same in the end.

ME3 is not a FPS.

I cannot think of an example where characters are as unbalanced as in ME3. And in Diablo3 the character is as powerfull as the items you use so that is far more dynamic and depends on far more factors. If you take a look at Diablo2 (which also has PVP) the characters are well balanced.

Also farming in Diablo does not ruin the game because you farm in a run that matches your stats. You do not farm always in the same way. Like you already said you do Baalruns, Diabloruns etc. And also it has nothing to do with exploids like in ME3.

The same? Are you joking?

[astheoceansblue]

Ammo types + Tech powers = tech bursts. 

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Batarian Soldier can stagger the entire immediate room with the correct spec.

Human Vanguard can aoe set off an area Reave and cause bio-booms on par.

Geth Engineer can recharge team mates shields instantly by throwing down a new turret.

Justicar can defend the entire team on an objective with her defense bubble.

Sentinal can prime enemies for BOTH tech bursts and bio booms.

All of these things are extremely valuable to a team, and are not even the end of each mentioned classes usefulness. 

OP doesn't know how to build a team...

p3ls wrote...

Diablo3 is coming out 15 May and Mass Effect will be forgotten

/thread.

Played the beta, that game is boring as hell.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 19 avril 2012 - 11:46 .

[Renew81]

Startkabel wrote...

Biotics are superior over snipers because a biotic detonation does more damage and also does collateral damage to the surroundings. Biotics can control crowds, snipers cannot.

Snipers are more efficient when it comes to quicly killing a normal enemy, but when you only play with snipers you will have a hard time on Gold. In the end you will be overrun by big opponents because you focus on 1 enemy at the time.

Biotic can control crowds and snipers cannot , isnt this exactly why we have different classes
me as a sniper have a better chance it clearing the objectives while the biotic keeps
the enemies of me by blowing them all to hell.

how many times does it happen that you ONLY play with 4 snipers, in my experience
this is rare and pkaying with friends they most of the time have multible characters
ready to avoid those situations and to compliment others in the team.

[Suburban Maniac]

/rant /rant /rant
I can't think of a single game that is big free. And every game involves farming to some degree.
Also...host your own game if you don't like the map most others play. Being a minority in anything is tough, get used to it.

[astheoceansblue]

Startkabel wrote...

Biotics are superior over snipers because a biotic detonation does more damage and also does collateral damage to the surroundings. Biotics can control crowds, snipers cannot.

Snipers are more efficient when it comes to quicly killing a normal enemy, but when you only play with snipers you will have a hard time on Gold. In the end you will be overrun by big opponents because you focus on 1 enemy at the time.

Lol.

You can go 4 sniper on Gold easily.

Smaller mobs can be controlled with Human Infiltrator's area Cryo.
Smaller mobs can be staggered with Salarian and Geth Infiltrator's area p.Mine.

Not that you'd want to do this, as you would build a BALANCED team and bring something for every situation...

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 19 avril 2012 - 11:56 .

[Terry07]

Startkabel wrote...

ME3 is not a FPS.

I cannot think of an example where characters are as unbalanced as in ME3. And in Diablo3 the character is as powerfull as the items you use so that is far more dynamic and depends on far more factors. If you take a look at Diablo2 (which also has PVP) the characters are well balanced.

Also farming in Diablo does not ruin the game because you farm in a run that matches your stats. You do not farm always in the same way. Like you already said you do Baalruns, Diabloruns etc. And also it has nothing to do with exploids like in ME3.

The same? Are you joking?

Sorry. It's a third person shooter. No different to me. For balance wise I don't know What you mean.  It's the person behind the controller that Win or loses in the game. Power skills or no power skills, u can just win with a gun.   And for farming in diablo that doesn't ruin the game. Are u kidding me?  How many bots that do all the runs for u? How many of them r using maphacks.  It's not even playing anymore. It's tv!!

[Startkabel]

Suburban Maniac wrote...

/rant /rant /rant
I can't think of a single game that is big free. And every game involves farming to some degree.
Also...host your own game if you don't like the map most others play. Being a minority in anything is tough, get used to it.

Read before you reply please.
More games involve farming but not always in the same map, same enemy and same spot exploiding a glitch in the map.

NO the solution is not to host my own game, the solution is to fix the map or the matchmaking filters.

[Startkabel]

Terry07 wrote...

Startkabel wrote...

ME3 is not a FPS.

I cannot think of an example where characters are as unbalanced as in ME3. And in Diablo3 the character is as powerfull as the items you use so that is far more dynamic and depends on far more factors. If you take a look at Diablo2 (which also has PVP) the characters are well balanced.

Also farming in Diablo does not ruin the game because you farm in a run that matches your stats. You do not farm always in the same way. Like you already said you do Baalruns, Diabloruns etc. And also it has nothing to do with exploids like in ME3.

The same? Are you joking?

Sorry. It's a third person shooter. No different to me. For balance wise I don't know What you mean.  It's the person behind the controller that Win or loses in the game. Power skills or no power skills, u can just win with a gun.   And for farming in diablo that doesn't ruin the game. Are u kidding me?  How many bots that do all the runs for u? How many of them r using maphacks.  It's not even playing anymore. It's tv!!

Diablo is a very old game, you cannot raise the hacking when comparing to ME3.

As for the runs in Diablo: No it does not ruin the game without bots, like I already said, people are just playing a part of the game without using exploids and do different runs depending on their stats. This is just normal gameplay. Totally different than ME3 farming.