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[kramerfan86]

Plus as others have pointed out, as a co-op game balance isnt really the point. The point is winning the match and adding strengths together in away that will get that done. If this were a PVP game unbalance would matter, but it isnt, so one character being capable of dishing out more damage isnt a problem.

[Wesus]

Its not an exploit they do walk around it but if you shoot them you distract them in which you get aggro from em and since their AI knows no better than just shooting against à wall.

Op clearly clueless of game mechanics

[sheltomlee]

Wesus crying about someone else's thread again. Big surprise.

[Startkabel]

ChrisRudson wrote...

Uhm dude.... What the hell we're you saying? Soldier are useless? You just don't know how to use it that's what. I could beat a Krogan Battlemaster on Silver using a HUMAN SOLDIER! Learn your class, if you don't know how to make the class dance then find another that suits you.

What I am saying (again and again) is that the soldier is useless yes. Beating a Krogan Batllemaster is easy since that is another useless class. You will never be the top player as long as there is a experienced Asari adept or Salarian Infiltrator in your team.
And I will repeat this once more: The fact that MP is co-op does not mean that it is OK that characters are as unbalanced as they are now. I do not like to play as a female and I am bored with the Salarian Infiltrator. I cannot find another character that scores so well. The rest are indeed support ****es and cannot be upgraded in such a way it keeps up with the Asari Adept and the Salarian Infiltrator.

You guys go play Gold with characters that do not use Biotics Detonations and are not Infiltrator together with me, I bet you will not win on Gold 1 single time.

Modifié par Startkabel, 19 avril 2012 - 02:24 .

[Wesus]

Sheltomlee giving useless comments and as usual not having an own opinion on the subject

Please kid stay out of discussions or do i need to recall your other thread where you couldnt win à discussion

[Iodine]

Startkabel wrote...
You guys go play Gold with characters that do not use Biotics Detonations and are not Infiltrator together with me, I bet you will not win on Gold 1 single time.

Because you will kick us, or because you care about your personal score?

Anyways, while it is somewhat true that being a co-op game characters do not have to be perfectly balanced, it "should" be the case that utility and damage and support are divided between classes, so if you don't choose one of the highest DPS classes, you can play one of the most effective support classes, or be an incredibly versatile/useful utility class. Not "play Salarian infiltrator for high single-target DPS, most utility, decent support" or "play quarian infiltrator to brag on the forums that you played quarian engineer on gold and did not get kicked".

Modifié par Iodine, 19 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[Highlord Heian]

Startkabel wrote...

People that say that I do not know how to play as Soldier are just ignorant.

That statement is a gem, because it's followed by:

Every experienced player knows that Soldier is useless on Gold.

Implying that he's "experienced", after saying so many stupid things that people can hardly believe comes out of somebody pretending to just play silver.

Hell I even survive Gold with the Soldier but do not kill because of the crap powers he has.

Still grabs the chance to boast, though. Considering the stupid things that come out of you, saying you can "survive" with soldier is practically implying that they're overpowered.

The point is not even that I do not know how to play a class, the point is the classes are unbalanced and Biotic Detonations are overpowered.

No, the point is that you don't know how to play classes, and you are ignorant-out-loud about your stupidity and lack of basic knowledge. You've shown pretty profound idiocy when it comes to Engineers, Soldiers, and Infiltrators, and since you think Biotic Explosions are "overpowered" we can chalk that up to you only knowing the most bare-minimum things about Adept.

Nobody believes that you're "skilled" or some kind of player who farms gold. Everyone sees you for what you are - a screechy, ignorant wannabe with not even the most basic of clues.

[Wesus]

If we domt win gold with u while playing other classes is probably because you can't play 4 sh *t as well its CO-OP not PVP go play COD if you want to Q-Q about imba stuff

[zhk3r]

OP: Yes. There are some classes that are stronger than others. The Infiltrator and Vanguard being the strongest due to their high survivalbility. That doesn't render the rest of the classes useless. I see you're saying the Asari Adept is the strongest class in the game because she has Stasis < Not very useful against any faction other than Cerberus. Yes, you can trap a Marauder in a sticky situation, but then again - With a Soldier I could use Adrenaline Rush, get shields back and put him down faster than you could with Stasis > Throw. I urge you to click the link in my signature, you don't need to actually *watch* any videos, but scroll through them and see what kind of setups we win Gold with.

[21B]

lolz, let's do this bro. I bet my Turian Sentinel can beat you in points, on gold. I've done it before and I've seen others do it too. You obviously just like running your mouth or have yet to play with experienced players who use other classes well. GT M04RBU113T5 if you don't have 360 someone else better step up on your platform to shut you up cause obviously you dont know wtf your runnin'. I'll be free after work about 6pm EST. shoot me a message and we can do this. It'll be fun

[cronshaw]

It's ruined because it isn't ruined. Think about it. That's deep right?

[sheltomlee]

OK here's my opinion on the subject: The multiplayer was focked to begin with. The store is a joke, the gameplay is stale after two days because there's only one game mode, there's far too many bugs for this ever to be patched in time for the general game playing public to care before something better comes along.

The OP is right, it's screwed. Enjoy your endless FB:W farming.

Wesus/owned

[kevchy]

Startkabel wrote...

Farming Geth on FB: White is really an exploit because the control panel in the room down below the map is bugged and enemies usually do not walk around, they stick to the corner.
You can test this by playing against reapers, the banchees will stick on top of the wall when trying to teleport behind it.

I still got flanked occasionally by Geth. I still wouldn't exactly call what you point out a glitch.

[LeandroBraz]

Startkabel wrote...

People that say that I do not know how to play as Soldier are just ignorant. Every experienced player knows that Soldier is useless on Gold.
Hell I even survive Gold with the Soldier but do not kill because of the crap powers he has.

The point is not even that I do not know how to play a class, the point is the classes are unbalanced and Biotic Detonations are overpowered.

Soldier flaw: He's weapon based, so he need a good weapon, meaning your first soldier will suck, since you probably don't have a good weapon yet.


 One example of awesome soldier: Stryker+Adrenaline Rush+Grenades. Shoot with the stryker into your clip is almost over or into you are out of shield, then adrenaline rush (recharge clip, restore shield and give more weapon damage), if necessary, finish with grenades. You just killed a group of ravagers, brutes, marauder, cannibals and are laughing of that banshee almost dying alone in the fields.

 Need more? Turian soldier with revenant. Markman give fire rate and accuracy, making the revenant deadly


 Krogans are awesome too, but I didn't find yet "that" build to make him extremely powerful. Anyway, carnage+inferno grenade = hell on earth, if you are good enough to make a explosion.

 I can't speak about Batarian, I don't have it yet =/

Modifié par LeandroBraz, 19 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[Highlord Heian]

sheltomlee wrote...

Wesus crying about someone else's thread again. Big surprise.

sheltomlee's butthurt. Big surprise.

[LeandroBraz]

modok8 wrote...

It's ruined because it isn't ruined. Think about it. That's deep right?

 You changed philosophy now man. Here, come share a red sand with me...

[diggisaur]

Heck just take someone with a Cryo or Incerinate and then equip the opposite weapon ammo and you do ridiculous damange.

Cryo Blast with Inferno Ammo
or
Incinerate with Cryo Ammo.

[Wesus]

THE op isnt right sheltomlee all bugs are considering vanguards which all can be evaded by not playing vanguard if your not host

THE store isnt à joke, they do it the as they do with FIFA yet everyone i know who plays it likes the system

There's only one game mode but you can make your own challenges in it or play with friends (i know you dont have them sheltomlee but its k, dont cry) and it is fun

Its 1 and à half month since release and i still play the MP and THE gameplay changes THE more you play.

Hereby comes if you Find the game so crappy and u think its à 2 day fun game why bother whining 1 and à half month after release

Owned sh*tomlee

[Startkabel]

Highlord Heian wrote...

Startkabel wrote...

People that say that I do not know how to play as Soldier are just ignorant.

That statement is a gem, because it's followed by:

Every experienced player knows that Soldier is useless on Gold.

Implying that he's "experienced", after saying so many stupid things that people can hardly believe comes out of somebody pretending to just play silver.

Hell I even survive Gold with the Soldier but do not kill because of the crap powers he has.

Still grabs the chance to boast, though. Considering the stupid things that come out of you, saying you can "survive" with soldier is practically implying that they're overpowered.

The point is not even that I do not know how to play a class, the point is the classes are unbalanced and Biotic Detonations are overpowered.

No, the point is that you don't know how to play classes, and you are ignorant-out-loud about your stupidity and lack of basic knowledge. You've shown pretty profound idiocy when it comes to Engineers, Soldiers, and Infiltrators, and since you think Biotic Explosions are "overpowered" we can chalk that up to you only knowing the most bare-minimum things about Adept.

Nobody believes that you're "skilled" or some kind of player who farms gold. Everyone sees you for what you are - a screechy, ignorant wannabe with not even the most basic of clues.

Nice how you twist my words to your advantage but you do not bring in arguments that prove otherwise.

[Iodine]

kevchy wrote...

Startkabel wrote...

Farming Geth on FB: White is really an exploit because the control panel in the room down below the map is bugged and enemies usually do not walk around, they stick to the corner.
You can test this by playing against reapers, the banchees will stick on top of the wall when trying to teleport behind it.

I still got flanked occasionally by Geth. I still wouldn't exactly call what you point out a glitch.

While it is true it's not any glitch, it's more of a culmination of design oversights (or shortcomings in pathfinding trimming/AI). If you compare that one area to every single other spot in every other map, it's obvious they tried to make every point easily flankable, so that people can't just bunker down and turn the map into a shooting gallery, occasionally sending out an infiltrator to do whatever it is the infiltrators do during objective waves.

That's not to say those points don't exist in other maps, it's just the FB White one is exceptionally effective due to the Geth's pathfinding/AI and lack of grenades. Compare the control room on Hydra to the 3-sided cover on White to better understand my point about design problems.

Modifié par Iodine, 19 avril 2012 - 02:36 .

[sheltomlee]

Highlord Heian wrote...

sheltomlee wrote...

Wesus crying about someone else's thread again. Big surprise.

sheltomlee's butthurt. Big surprise.

Still waiting for my ban, Walter. Guess you were wrong about that too huh?

[Startkabel]

Wesus wrote...
THE store isnt à joke, they do it the as they do with FIFA yet everyone i know who plays it likes the system

You probably play with a bunch of idiots then. The forum is full of complains about the store. Just keep your head in the sand, but keep it in there please.

[Wesus]

Hes contradicting you and catching you on your failing responses, hard to understand?

[Highlord Heian]

sheltomlee wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

sheltomlee wrote...

Wesus crying about someone else's thread again. Big surprise.

sheltomlee's butthurt. Big surprise.

Still waiting for my ban, Walter. Guess you were wrong about that too huh?

It's funny because you're so dumb. Did you not embarrass yourself enough in that other thread, where everyone laughed at you?

[Startkabel]

Wesus wrote...
There's only one game mode but you can make your own challenges in it or play with friends (i know you dont have them sheltomlee but its k, dont cry) and it is fun

OMG LOL! There is only 1 game mode but hey people use your imagination and pretend you are playing some other game mode, yes that is the solutions for this lacking game options.