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[Wesus]

This thread amazes me every time i watch at it

[jeremygamer]

nuculerman wrote...

InstaShark wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

I keep talking because this thread deserves to die,

I wonder if it's against the rules to quote people in signatures.

EDIT: I'll find out either way.

It does make total sense.  DIY exploits for credits.  It's something he doesn't want attention brought to because it would ruin his free credits.  This thread brings attention from both Bioware and other players, both of whom have the potential to ruin his free lunch.  So he therefore chooses his language carefully, while underhandedly insulting the integrity of everyone who agrees with the OP.  The immediate emotional response of people whose integrity is being called into question is typically not rational.  He hopes if he gets enough of these emotional responses from people who can't control their language, he can report it, and the mods can close the thread.  He's also banking on the fact that the mods are not smart enough to see what he's doing, and that he himself will not get reported.

In conclusion, his only goal is to derail this thread into chaos and have it locked.

I activated my account on Bioware Social just to nod at this excellent post.

Kudos to the OP for trolling exploiters and generating lulz. More kudos to nuculerman for explaining exactly why DIY was (quite effectively) trolling this thread about trolling.

[Seeten]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@Seeten- I don't think there are many, if any, people using the exploit in an effort to get ultra rares to X. Why? Because the store is still random. It'd take dozens of hours to get anything to X, and even still, is that kind of effort not earning?

That's where the problem lies. There is no definition for earning here. The store doesn't reward effort. Even spending real money doesn't get you what you want. Think of all the poor casual bronze players who can only play an hour a day. Even if they constantly save, they're still going to miss a huge portion of the game.

And I will continue to ignore arguments of morality. Morals are a guide on how you live your life for yourself, not how others live their lives for you. Not everyone shares the same morals as you.

I'm not here to argue morals, because this is the internet. However, your analogy above on "Earning" sounds like a phrase from the movie, "Live Free or Die Hard." While in the middle of his insane terrorist plot, he gets accused by Detective John McClane of being nothing but a thief. He responds: Thomas Gabriel:
What, I shouldn't get paid for my work? I'm working my ass off here, John.

This is how I feel about "earning" via cheating, stealing and exploiting. I don't particularly care, I'm not gonna spend any lengths of time ranting or raving on youtube about it, but, I find it pretty disingenous to compare it to earning credits legit.

Modifié par Seeten, 19 avril 2012 - 07:06 .

[Sublyminal]

Distilled Poison wrote...

I've known the guy in my trolling stories for almost a decade now, so we know how to push each other's buttons. I make fun of him for being afraid of snakes and not having an appendix, and he makes fun of me for being afraid of clowns (I was kidnapped by one. :c) and for being color blind.

Kidnapped by pedoclown.

[John123453242]

OP is win.

That other guy is fail.

[Distilled Poison]

@Seeten

The morality bit actually wasn't aimed at you, I should have been more clear.

In the end though all I see is people wanting to get the most out of their game without affecting others. And since there is no legitimate way to actually work for what you want, I see nothing wrong with the exploit.

If there was a set value for things, such as, say, "Black Widow = 300,000 credits" or "Black Widow = 1,000 headshots" I'd be more inclined to be against this exploit. If there was an inter-user trade system, like MMORPG's which have similar RNG drops, I'd be %100 against this.

But no. You have to cross your fingers and hope you get what you want. I'm not OK with that.

[saturos2]

he should be banned for trolling and i would surely block you. i dont get why people have a problem with this in a CO-OP GAME.

[Gwinever]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Some of you may know, I have nothing against credit exploiters, because the store system blows. HOWEVER, I'm also all about getting some laughs at other peoples' expense, because I'm a bad person.

Moving on- I was quick searching for farm lobbies, and gotin a credit exploit lobby that wasn't private. I could tell because as I was loading in I heard, "Is (the host) back in yet?" Followed by "Yeah, I'm back."

I decided to grab my mic, and waited. By the time I was in, the objective was finished and they were going down. I ran in with a missile launcher.

*Woosh BOOM*
Exploiter- "What was that?"
Me- "Don't worry guys, I got this!"
Exploiter, as I'm reviving them- "What? No, stop you'll mess it up! You f***ing idiot!"
Me- "Wait, I don't get it, why are you yelling at me? I'm helping! Oh, I went down. Don't worry, I have medigels!"
*Slurry of insults as I waste all my missiles to finish the wave*
The rage was fantastic because after that they would have to spend 15-20 minutes going through Bronze again

You Sir, are a Genius:police:

[jeremygamer]

Also, we can get in to all the discussions we want about morality, ethics, exploits vs. glitching, and convince ourselves of whatever we want.

Yet all that matters is, someday, Bioware will decide to put an end to this exploit. And history tells us they will ban the people abusing this exploit. They might ban some people, they might ban everyone who did it, they might ban a few people who had no idea they were doing anything wrong.

Doesn't matter. This exploit will die, and some people will get caught. The only open questions are: when and who?

[Seeten]

Its clearly designed as a treadmill. I dunno, though. I am a fairly casual player, I play SWTOR, so I dont have tons of time to spend on ME3MP, I only recently felt skilled enough to start doing gold, and the majority of my gold weapons are currently hovering between V and X, all my common weapons are X, all my mods are V, and I have every N7 Black weapon at 1 except Saber (which I don't have), and Paladin at II. I am only missing Geth Infiltrator, out of all the classes (And have every appearance option on like 3 of the new classes, derp RNG)

This leads me to believe organically playing, buying the "bang for the buck" packs, and whatnot, will get you there. There is no "need" to exploit.

Also, the OP troll made me laugh out loud. So take that for what its worth also

TL:DR Unlocks seem to come fairly quickly. Be patient. Play to have fun, and unlocks roll in.

Modifié par Seeten, 19 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[DenRioku]

Snakes are evil creatures, they are always watching, waiting, planning for the perfect time to strike up from the underground. They are always around, disguised as humans learning our weaknesses. When a snakes tongue tastes the air it learns all the fears of every individual within a five mile radius, it can then project those fears into the minds of it's victims effectively crippling them mentally, making them easier prey.



ON TOPIC: That is hilarious, gonna have to do it. I'm actually kind of surprised that guy continued to post for as long as he did, oh wait someone already pointed out why he was doing that. "This thread hurts my feelings because I like to use the glitch. *Rage and baww in the guise of big words*" He's so angry he's gonna go play on Bronze with a Batarian and do nothing but punch, then through a haze of rage tears he's going to scream "I TOLD YOU YOU WOULD GET PUNCHED!"

[jeremygamer]

saturos2 wrote...

he should be banned for trolling and i would surely block you. i dont get why people have a problem with this in a CO-OP GAME.

People dislike it because we presume others are playing by the same rules. Just because the characters you're shooting are controlled by the computer, doesn't mean there's no element of competion in ME3's multiplayer.

It's similar to the reason some players dislike the people who spend real money to buy packs.

When the group accepts that coin exploiting is against the rules, those who've accepted the rules make many lulz when someone goes vigilante on the criminals cheaters while playing dumb and keeping a straight face.

EDIT: for hyperbole removal. They're cheaters, not criminals.

Also, I totally buy packs. I think I enjoy it more than actually playing my character. True story.

Modifié par jeremygamer, 19 avril 2012 - 07:29 .

[JAMiAM]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@Seeten- I don't think there are many, if any, people using the exploit in an effort to get ultra rares to X. Why? Because the store is still random. It'd take dozens of hours to get anything to X, and even still, is that kind of effort not earning?

That's where the problem lies. There is no definition for earning here. The store doesn't reward effort. Even spending real money doesn't get you what you want. Think of all the poor casual bronze players who can only play an hour a day. Even if they constantly save, they're still going to miss a huge portion of the game.

I think that the original trolling you did was brilliant.  However, to address this issue you've raised...

Many moons ago, when I was a child, I would spend my newpaper delivery money on my stamp-collection.  Each weekend, I would take my hard-earned cash down to the local stamp store and buy as many of the "Gold Rush Grab Bags" as I could afford.  At $0.49 per treasure-stuffed envelope, it was a great way to get a bunch of international and domestic stamps for my meager budget.  Knowing that I would likely get duplicates I didn't need, or stamps from countries I wasn't interested in, was part of the deal.  As a grade/middle schooler, even then, common sense dictated that I should not expect any specific result from any particular envelope.

Fast forward some 40+ years...

The ME3 MP store items are clearly set up as "grab-bag" types of commodities.  Though you may wish that it was structured differently, it is not.  You are not guaranteed any particular result when you "purchase" one of these grab-bags.  You get whatever "mystery meat" is served up.  Some people like this format, and some do not.  Neither "like" is more valid than the other, a priori.  It is equally valid to prefer to have some mystery as an end user, or to know precisely what you're purchasing.  However, the ones who own the store have set it up to be psuedo-random, or like a grab bag.  Anyone trying to circumvent the means of gathering the "currency" to purchase these goods, is as guilty of stealing from the company, as I would have been should I have tried to use counterfeit money to pay for my "Gold-Strikes" on the lame justification that I wasn't getting the good stamps I felt entitled to, from my purchases.

[Emzamination]

I am being Educated. *nods*

[Pizzasoup]

OP is a gentleman and a scholar.

[Distilled Poison]

I didn't get my Black Widow till approximately N7 550+. I don't play for efficiency, I don't play to get the highest score. I play for fun. Part of the fun for me is trying out as many different loadouts as possible. I had a lot of fun with the Sabre and Black Widow in SP, so I really wanted them in MP, because I am an MP addict. The store's RNG has hindered that fun for me from day 1. I only recently got the Black Widow, and I still don't have a Sabre. I've been running running FBW/G/G farm lobbies since Resurgence launched, and I still don't have a Batarian Soldier or Geth Infiltrator, the two I wanted most.

I'm sure the RNG works fine for some. For others, it's killing the game.

[vivanto]

jeremygamer wrote...
Yet all that matters is, someday, Bioware will decide to put an end to this exploit.

The'd probably end this exploit by completely suspending rewarding of any credits for missions until they fix it in a week's time and then wait another week for testing the fix...

[Nizzemancer]

Seeten wrote...

All you really have to do is have an extremely dry sense of humor. My ex-wife never had a clue when I was serious and when I was making fun of her/teasing/trolling even after 9 years of marriage.

Also, use push to talk, and you can laugh your face off without them knowing

How droll.

[justin_sayne1]

"I am Commander Shepherd, and this is my favorite thread on the Citadel!"

[a ViciousFerret]

jeremygamer wrote...

Also, we can get in to all the discussions we want about morality, ethics, exploits vs. glitching, and convince ourselves of whatever we want.

Yet all that matters is, someday, Bioware will decide to put an end to this exploit. And history tells us they will ban the people abusing this exploit. They might ban some people, they might ban everyone who did it, they might ban a few people who had no idea they were doing anything wrong.

Doesn't matter. This exploit will die, and some people will get caught. The only open questions are: when and who?

I hope I don't get banned/reset. I was involved in a credit glitching lobby in my first week( I had no idea what was happening) after the game was released, earned maybe 300,000 credits. I haven't credit glitched since and definitely won't, but I'll be pissed if my game was reset. I probably would stop playing Mass Effect multiplayer.

Those that are banned better be the ones with repeat offenses and have credit glitched millions of credits.

Also, OP that was brilliant. I intend on doing that if I ever land myself into a credit glitching game by accident.

Modifié par a ViciousFerret, 19 avril 2012 - 08:37 .

[nuculerman]

saturos2 wrote...

he should be banned for trolling and i would surely block you. i dont get why people have a problem with this in a CO-OP GAME.

People don't seem to understand that credits are money.  MP is free.  Credits are how EA makes money off the development work they put into it.  People obsessed enough with this game to use exploits to get credits, are probably also the same people who if those options weren't available, would shell out cash for the same credits.

People taking advantage of this exploit are the reason why the MP store system is awful, and will never get changed to be something better.  If you don't understand that, you don't understand basic economics.  Exploiters are stealing credits.  60k credits are worth about $2, or 20 min of someone's time.  If less people stole credits, that number would go down.

Grasping this is simple.  Consider you sell apples.  They cost you $0.50 to buy and you sell them for $1.  The whole point of your business, like every business, is to make money.  So you buy 10 apples, with the intention of selling each one for $1.  Someone steals 6 Apples.  Now if you sell each one for a $1, you just lost money.  You're going to price the Apples to recoup your costs at the very least, and most likely to get the original profit you wanted.  So now you sell them for $2 and change, and everyone that used to buy your apples is pissed because your prices went up by 100%.  The people who stole the Apples affected those that don't in a very significant way.

The amount credit exploiters are costing honest players is not easily quantified, to be sure, but their is obviously a cost.  So the argument that "this is a co-op game, we are not hurting you!" is bogus.  Let's stop the comfort food you keep feeding yourself to feel better about the fact you're a cheater.  

And honestly, why would EA ever change the crappy store system, when there are people exploiting it like this?  This store system makes perfect sense, since exploiters aren't guaranteed the items they want anyway.  The whole model of this store system may very well be a hedge against cheaters and exploiters.  This, of course, isn't necessarily true, and is pure conjecture.  But the point is, the argument that honest players have nothing to be upset about is demonstrably false.  There is at least one way in which exploiters are stealing value from honest players, and possibly many more.

[mishundar]

This might be the most incoherent post I've ever read.  For the record, I'm completely against glitching, but goddamn...

nuculerman wrote...

People taking advantage of this exploit are the reason why the MP store system is awful, and will never get changed to be something better.  If you don't understand that, you don't understand basic economics.  Exploiters are stealing credits.  60k credits are worth about $2, or 20 min of someone's time.  If less people stole credits, that number would go down.

This number has never changed since MP launched.  What evidence do you have that the amount of extant credits has any effect on credit pricing in other currencies?

Grasping this is simple.  Consider you sell apples.  They cost you $0.50 to buy and you sell them for $1.  The whole point of your business, like every business, is to make money.  So you buy 10 apples, with the intention of selling each one for $1.  Someone steals 6 Apples.  Now if you sell each one for a $1, you just lost money.  You're going to price the Apples to recoup your costs at the very least, and most likely to get the original profit you wanted.  So now you sell them for $2 and change, and everyone that used to buy your apples is pissed because your prices went up by 100%.  The people who stole the Apples affected those that don't in a very significant way.

This is such a fail analogy/fail logic.  Credits are not a zero sum game.  Credits one person earns don't detract from the credits another person earns.  The concept of "stealing" is not applicable. 

The amount credit exploiters are costing honest players is not easily quantified, to be sure, but their is obviously a cost.  So the argument that "this is a co-op game, we are not hurting you!" is bogus.  Let's stop the comfort food you keep feeding yourself to feel better about the fact you're a cheater.  

And honestly, why would EA ever change the crappy store system, when there are people exploiting it like this?  This store system makes perfect sense, since exploiters aren't guaranteed the items they want anyway.  The whole model of this store system may very well be a hedge against cheaters and exploiters.  This, of course, isn't necessarily true, and is pure conjecture.  But the point is, the argument that honest players have nothing to be upset about is demonstrably false.  There is at least one way in which exploiters are stealing value from honest players, and possibly many more.

The value exploiters are stealing is coming straight out of EA/BW's pocket.  What incentive does someone have to spend real money to unlock packs to be competitive/have a bigger epeen if someone else can just as easily exploit the same results.

It's for this reason that I laugh at all the specious defenses of why it's not cheating, it's BW's fault they left the exploit in, etc.  If you think you can mess with a EA's money and not suffer any consequences, you are quite possibly retarded.  Big companies don't get big letting people **** with their money.  Expect a ruthless mass ban.  No, turning off feedback will not save you. 

[Manton-X2]

nuculerman wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

he should be banned for trolling and i would surely block you. i dont get why people have a problem with this in a CO-OP GAME.

The amount credit exploiters are costing honest players is not easily quantified, to be sure, but their is obviously a cost.  So the argument that "this is a co-op game, we are not hurting you!" is bogus.  Let's stop the comfort food you keep feeding yourself to feel better about the fact you're a cheater.  

This right here is what some people either don't get or don't want to get because they don't want to feel like they're actually doing anything wrong.  It's like people who shoplift from a supermarket.  "Why do you care, I'm not taking anything from you.  These stores can afford it."  

Well yes, they could but they don't pay for it you jacktard.  They pass the value of all those stolen goods back to us and because of people like you, we all end up paying $400-500 more each year on groceries than we would have if you could learn to keep your hands off of other people's property.

[JAMiAM]

mishundar wrote...

This might be the most incoherent post I've ever read.  For the record, I'm completely against glitching, but goddamn...

I don't know...I didn't mishundarstand it...

[mybudgee]

We all need to lighten up a bit..