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[SuperHamzah]

Aarek wrote...

SuperHamzah wrote...

1 - Glitch exploits should not be punished whilst glitches that make you LOSE credits are not compensated. You cannot have justice for one and not the other.

The number of people who lose credits and recieve no items from the store is surprisingly smaller than you'd think, and has more to do with their own connections than the server itself.

It's a matter of principle - if glitches that affect players negatively are not compensated, not just credits, but loss of connection, failed purchases etc. If they address glitches with punishment/reward - it should be for both types and not one.

Integrity is a seperate issue - character flaws are different from crimes.

For example, let's say I lost a million credits so far in glitches, would it be shameful to get them back exploiting the glitch?

I don't use the glitch myself, and never come across it before on the PS3 - I just play gold 4-5 times a day and buy 4-5 packs.

[fixit6]

"No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney."

[Drummernate]

Omg.... the amount of internet badassery in here is overwhelming.

I can tell by the words they are using that they have a 4 year degree in forum posting.

[SuperHamzah]

Please do not take this as trolling / being immature etc. as some other people here seem wont to do, this is simply me expressing a different view point.

I have to disagree with that first point.  Looking a few posts up about integrity pretty much sums up my feelings on that point.

As they say, "two wrongs do not make a right."

Two wrongs don't make a right.

If A does wrong and B does wrong - then why should B punish A and not  A punish B?

[InstaShark]

SuperHamzah wrote...

For example, let's say I lost a million credits so far in glitches, would it be shameful to get them back exploiting the glitch?

More shameful than buying the packs with IRL money.

Modifié par InstaShark, 19 avril 2012 - 05:28 .

[D.I.Y_Death]

nuculerman wrote...

@DIY.

You voluntarily entered a contract with EA games, which stipulates you will not explot glitches. Doing so is breach of contract.

Please stop accusing others of being a child when you're clearly not ready for the life of an adult. Don't sign contracts you don't understand. You'll end up as a human centipede iPod, eating other people's excrement. Seriously, its a thing.

I actually didn't know that was a sitpulation in the contract, I have a clear stance though, if the Dev doesn't like it they can fix it.

Banning for exploits ins't the industry norm. Banning for cheating is and that suystem has worked pretty good so far.

You think I'd sign anything with EA games? You know...the company that beat out BoA as worst company of the year? Not likely.

I don't even know what to say to the child bit, mind your own buisness?

[RogueWolfie]

nuculerman wrote...

@DIY.

You voluntarily entered a contract with EA games, which stipulates you will not explot glitches. Doing so is breach of contract.

Please stop accusing others of being a child when you're clearly not ready for the life of an adult. Don't sign contracts you don't understand. You'll end up as a human centipede iPod, eating other people's excrement. Seriously, its a thing.

I believe you are referring to the humancentiPad.

[ThatDancingTurian]

That was pretty hilarious, OP. Kudos!

[Drummernate]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

@DIY.

You voluntarily entered a contract with EA games, which stipulates you will not explot glitches. Doing so is breach of contract.

Please stop accusing others of being a child when you're clearly not ready for the life of an adult. Don't sign contracts you don't understand. You'll end up as a human centipede iPod, eating other people's excrement. Seriously, its a thing.

I actually didn't know that was a sitpulation in the contract, I have a clear stance though, if the Dev doesn't like it they can fix it.

Banning for exploits ins't the industry norm. Banning for cheating is and that suystem has worked pretty good so far.

You think I'd sign anything with EA games? You know...the company that beat out BoA as worst company of the year? Not likely.

I don't even know what to say to the child bit, mind your own buisness?

By purchasing a game you automatically are "Signing" something. (Ever read the purchase agreement in the back of the manual??? Thought not.)

[BoomDynamite]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

@DIY.

You voluntarily entered a contract with EA games, which stipulates you will not explot glitches. Doing so is breach of contract.

Please stop accusing others of being a child when you're clearly not ready for the life of an adult. Don't sign contracts you don't understand. You'll end up as a human centipede iPod, eating other people's excrement. Seriously, its a thing.

I actually didn't know that was a sitpulation in the contract, I have a clear stance though, if the Dev doesn't like it they can fix it.

Banning for exploits ins't the industry norm. Banning for cheating is and that suystem has worked pretty good so far.

You think I'd sign anything with EA games? You know...the company that beat out BoA as worst company of the year? Not likely.

I don't even know what to say to the child bit, mind your own buisness?

The only reason they "won" that poll was due to the influx of angry gamers ON THE INTERNET that voted against EA.

[Tiki Snakes]

I had a similar experience once.
Wasn't interested in any such hijinks, so I finished the wave.
Had to do it nice and methodical, as I think I was using a lowish level Asari Vanguard to practice my sniping (Because with stasis, I could just about hit the broadside of a barn). I was the only one without a mic, too. They weren't entirely thrilled when they realised I hadn't bought into their suicide plot and spent the round desperately rooting for the enemy. When they respawned, they clustered around meleeing my character and I just slowly, deliberately strolled over to the extraction zone.

Good times.

[TheRealDingo]

Tell another funny story. This thread was supposed to be about how hilarious exploiting the exploiters was. Now it's morphed into a hatefest.

[Distilled Poison]

@MissMinaethiel

"So long as the store is based on a RNG and there is no trade system, no one is earning anything. Let me pose a situation.

Guy A spends 60 hours of play time accumulating credits before he gets a Black Widow, playing legitimately.
Guy B spends 2 hours of play time accumulating credits before he gets a Black Widow, playing legitimately.
Guy C gets a Black Widow in his first Spectre pack, playing legitimately.
Guy D spends 2 hours of play time accumulating credits before he gets a Black Widow, using the credit exploit.

Now how do we decide what earning is? How would an outsider figure out who played illegitimately?"

[TheRealDingo]

Tiki Snakes wrote...

I had a similar experience once.
Wasn't interested in any such hijinks, so I finished the wave.
Had to do it nice and methodical, as I think I was using a lowish level Asari Vanguard to practice my sniping (Because with stasis, I could just about hit the broadside of a barn). I was the only one without a mic, too. They weren't entirely thrilled when they realised I hadn't bought into their suicide plot and spent the round desperately rooting for the enemy. When they respawned, they clustered around meleeing my character and I just slowly, deliberately strolled over to the extraction zone.

Good times.

Funny stuff.

[SlyTF1]

Curzyfish wrote...

SuperHamzah wrote...

I will resolve all issues using my logic:

1 - Glitch exploits should not be punished whilst glitches that make you LOSE credits are not compensated. You cannot have justice for one and not the other.

2 - Trolling exploiters is funny - finishing a wave and reviving your comrades is THE GAME, if playing THE GAME is trolling, then it's funny. Contradiction < foundation of humor.

3 - Play the game for fun and to improve your gameplay. Rewards are for this reason, which is why people who follow this formula have the most fun.

Please do not take this as trolling / being immature etc. as some other people here seem wont to do, this is simply me expressing a different view point.

I have to disagree with that first point.  Looking a few posts up about integrity pretty much sums up my feelings on that point.

As they say, "two wrongs do not make a right."

I hate that saying. When you miltiply two negatives, what do you get? A positive. Your logic is flawed.

[MissMinaethiel]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@MissMinaethiel

"So long as the store is based on a RNG and there is no trade system, no one is earning anything. Let me pose a situation.

Guy A spends 60 hours of play time accumulating credits before he gets a Black Widow, playing legitimately.
Guy B spends 2 hours of play time accumulating credits before he gets a Black Widow, playing legitimately.
Guy C gets a Black Widow in his first Spectre pack, playing legitimately.
Guy D spends 2 hours of play time accumulating credits before he gets a Black Widow, using the credit exploit.

Now how do we decide what earning is? How would an outsider figure out who played illegitimately?"

Honestly it comes down to how the credits are earned for me. Illegitimate credit gaining = an undeserved reward. A lucky reward in this system, true, but the means of getting it are dishonest.

[Ravenmyste]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

@DIY.

You voluntarily entered a contract with EA games, which stipulates you will not explot glitches. Doing so is breach of contract.

Please stop accusing others of being a child when you're clearly not ready for the life of an adult. Don't sign contracts you don't understand. You'll end up as a human centipede iPod, eating other people's excrement. Seriously, its a thing.

I actually didn't know that was a sitpulation in the contract, I have a clear stance though, if the Dev doesn't like it they can fix it.

Banning for exploits ins't the industry norm. Banning for cheating is and that suystem has worked pretty good so far.

You think I'd sign anything with EA games? You know...the company that beat out BoA as worst company of the year? Not likely.

I don't even know what to say to the child bit, mind your own buisness?

really, you dont think its the norm... hello there alot games that   have  a MP mode, that does in fact stipulate in there contract that you will not exploit a glitch, if found and reported continue to use it to cause a unfair advantage over other players and cause anything that can be used to inflate you gaming i.e rank in a monitor atmosphere such as trying to get number 1 ranked in global competitive game...

so yeah, i guess you didint think that buying all those packs that do infact raise your rank per time you buy set number and or promote faster then the norm.

[justin_sayne1]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...
That's stupid people logic.

 

OK, this made laugh quite loudly.  Are you old enough to buy the game?  Our local age limit is 18yo.

D.I.Y_Death wrote...
Abusing a glitch means there's a problem with the code itself, a Dev screwed up somewhere.
Cheating would be using a 3rd party application to modify ME3, be it intercepting memory packets or changing the .bin file.

 

You seem quite well informed.  Are you also well informed of the legal ramifications of the End User Licensing Agreement you signed?

D.I.Y_Death wrote...
Also this is a co-op multiplayer, complaining about this seems a bit silly but hey what do I know? Continue with your strawman.

"You keep using that word.  I donna think it means what you think it means."
"co-op" means cooperative: 
Involving mutual assistance in working toward a common goal.

Obviously the majority of people don't feel that cheaters and exploiters are working toward the common goal.

[D.I.Y_Death]

[quote]
Perhaps not, but if lying is a moral thing then my world just got flipped upside down. Lying is never ok. Cheating has never been ok. Credit exploiters are indeed cheating. It is not an excuse to cheat because it's a co-op game. Technically ALL games are co-op games if they have MP.[/quote]

*sign* the dictionary disagrees with your definition of cheating and exploiting.
Lying has nothing to do with this topic and has no paralell.

[quote]
In CoD you get banned for exploiting bugs/glitches.
[/quote]

Rofl, no, you don't or I would have been banned hundreds of times by now for abusing exploits in Zombies.

[qyuote]
In Reach you get banned for exploiting bugs/glitches.
[/quote]

Can't speak for that game, i don't play Halo.

[quote]
In pretty much every game out there with MP you get banned for exploiting bugs/glitches because it can ruin a game for a lot of people. There is no use in saying that an exploiters idea of fun is cheating. They're in the wrong; it doesn't matter if it's fun for them or not.[/quote]

There's what I was waiting for, how is it ruining the game for others in this instance? How is credit exploiting hurting your gameplay experience?

[quote]
I don't find it acceptable in the least that people can do half the work but get more than double the credits. That ruins the fun for me because while I'm getting things at my own pace the honest way, these guys are getting more rewards for cheating and not getting in trouble.[/quote]

So this boils down the the jealousy motive I mentioned. I don't blame you for being jealous nor do I judge you for it. Perosnally though, it's a trivial matter. They're not hurting my gameplay and if theyre on my team with their N7 upgrade X guns that just means the game is gonna be that much easier. I like having these guys on my team.

[quote]
To me it's immature to ignore the spirit of the game and use a lazy, half-ass method to get mountains of credits while other people are actually doing it without cheating.

So really if they apparently are within their rights to cheat because it's "fun" then the OP is, in theory in his rights to troll them because it's "fun." You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either exploiters are in the right and so is the OP, exploiters are wrong and the OP is right, or, as a third choice, both parties are wrong.[/quote]

All parties are wrong. I'd consider the exploiters justified though because the stores are so stupid with how random the packs are and how they repeat character cards.

What the OP did is just as bad, potentially worse because he went out of his way to cause others grief.
I don't find it funny, respectful or amusing. It's just sad.

That's all I have to say on this topic.

Modifié par D.I.Y_Death, 19 avril 2012 - 05:38 .

[SuperHamzah]

I hate that saying. When you miltiply two negatives, what do you get? A positive. Your logic is flawed.

Your logic is flawed. Two wrongs is the product of two values not a multiplier.

Maths is bad for policy, if we used maths for everything, killing humans would the most environmentally friendly thing one can do.

In fact, suicide is logical. Adding up 2000 calories everyday for 90 years to arrive at a value of ZERO (dead) is mathematically not elegant - suicide would be more efficient.

Modifié par SuperHamzah, 19 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[SlyTF1]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

@MissMinaethiel

"So long as the store is based on a RNG and there is no trade system, no one is earning anything. Let me pose a situation.

Guy A spends 60 hours of play time accumulating credits before he gets a Black Widow, playing legitimately.
Guy B spends 2 hours of play time accumulating credits before he gets a Black Widow, playing legitimately.
Guy C gets a Black Widow in his first Spectre pack, playing legitimately.
Guy D spends 2 hours of play time accumulating credits before he gets a Black Widow, using the credit exploit.

Now how do we decide what earning is? How would an outsider figure out who played illegitimately?"

Honestly it comes down to how the credits are earned for me. Illegitimate credit gaining = an undeserved reward. A lucky reward in this system, true, but the means of getting it are dishonest.

I don't get people's obsession with honesty. What exactly is it worth?

Oh, and I got the Black Widow thing like the first time I played MP. I have yet to use it.

[Curzyfish]

SlyTF1 wrote...

Curzyfish wrote...

SuperHamzah wrote...

I will resolve all issues using my logic:

1 - Glitch exploits should not be punished whilst glitches that make you LOSE credits are not compensated. You cannot have justice for one and not the other.

2 - Trolling exploiters is funny - finishing a wave and reviving your comrades is THE GAME, if playing THE GAME is trolling, then it's funny. Contradiction < foundation of humor.

3 - Play the game for fun and to improve your gameplay. Rewards are for this reason, which is why people who follow this formula have the most fun.

Please do not take this as trolling / being immature etc. as some other people here seem wont to do, this is simply me expressing a different view point.

I have to disagree with that first point.  Looking a few posts up about integrity pretty much sums up my feelings on that point.

As they say, "two wrongs do not make a right."

I hate that saying. When you miltiply two negatives, what do you get? A positive. Your logic is flawed.

And the problem I have with that, is that this is not math.  Is kicking down someone's sand castle because he kicked down yours the right thing to do?

EDIT: Hamzah said it much better than i did.

Modifié par Curzyfish, 19 avril 2012 - 05:40 .