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[Taboo]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Do you remember the date it was tweeted?

It was about a week ago.

Found it thanks. It wasn't about the EC, it was about the end in the game, the Control one. That makes sense as the control one is the only ending that we don't see the Relays completely exploding everywhere, exploding but not EXPLODING.

They've probably realized by now that they won't be able to get away without making some changes. They won't admit it but they're going to have to at some point.

[FatalX7.0]

You can still see the Relays breaking apart in the control ending.



It cuts off a few seconds before the others, but you can still see debris flying about.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 19 avril 2012 - 05:56 .

[MattFini]

Mac Walters also said the galaxy is a wasteland post-ME3, which BioWare seems to be reversing their stance on in the wake of the ending mishap. 

This tells me that BioWare have been quietly assessing some of the legitimate concerns/complaints and are planning on reversing them. 

Not saying we should all sit around and EXPECT the extended DLC to blow our minds, but there is a chance they're going to get this right.

Modifié par MattFini, 19 avril 2012 - 05:56 .

[frypan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

 You guys need to understand that the announcement of the Extended Cut is an admission of guilt. Companies don't always come out and say they are sorry. You can get a feature lenfth film shot in four or five months so I can imagine that we're going to see some pretty interesting stuff.

The more I think bout it the more I agree with you. They might say nothing will change and blah blah artistic integrity, but they have heaps of wriggle room and can, as before, respin the earlier comments. 

No point  bringing out Dlc that just annoys most of the people unhappy with the end. 

[Taboo]

MattFini wrote...

Mac Walters also said the galaxy is a wasteland post-ME3, which BioWare seems to be reversing their stance on.

This tells me that BioWare have been quietly assessing some of the legitimate concerns/complaints.

Not saying we should all sit around and EXPECT the extended DLC to blow our minds, but there is a chance they're going to get this right.

They made a mistake and are rectifying it in some capacity. The complaints about the Mass Relays exploding are legitimate and need to be addressed.

[FatalX7.0]

MattFini wrote...

Mac Walters also said the galaxy is a wasteland post-ME3, which BioWare seems to be reversing their stance on in the wake of the ending mishap. 

This tells me that BioWare have been quietly assessing some of the legitimate concerns/complaints and are planning on reversing them. 

Not saying we should all sit around and EXPECT the extended DLC to blow our minds, but there is a chance they're going to get this right.

I remember that, he said everything would be boring. <_<

[Beernun]

Taboo-XX wrote...
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This beer tastes awful!: Bioware's mistake of serving you "arty" beer.

I like art films a great deal, unfortunatley a great majority of people do not, and I think has caused a great deal of anger on the forums. BSN users are not dumb but they are unfamiliar with what I would consider to be true "artistic" endeavors and much like beer your first taste is particularly unpleasent. It doesn't taste good, I understand and you don't have to partake in it if you don't want to. If you do continue to "drink" it will eventually taste better even if the experience is a bad one. I think this is where Bioware dropped the ball big time and where they need to step up to plate in this extended cut. [u][i][b]They need to make it more palatable to a mainstream audience.

hey Taboo… sorry to say that this statement is not applicable to this situation. Mass Effect series isn't a David Lynch film, it's rich Sci-fi with solid story structure & character arcs. The first 2 games and 99% of the third were not "Artistic" endeavors un-palatable to a mainstream audience. On that point, the ending of ME3 doesn't fit that description either. It's badly written and contradictory to the world that has been created; that doesn't make it "Artistic." 


you are correct that it is unpalatable, but this isn't due to the audience being unsophisticated, it's because it's bad. 

[frypan]

It may not be directly appropriate but the Witch Hunt Dlc comes to mind. Morrigan says no way will she be seen again in the main game. Bw listened to the fans and changed that, even allowing those who wanted to run off and raise kids with Claudia Black to do so.

Not exactly the same,but this company can retconn when hey want to.

[SP2219]

 "Mr. Gamble has completely blown me away by simply talking to us in some capacity and we should feel lucky that we're getting anything at all. Most producers are absolutely awful people"

Does that include you as well?

You are contradicting yourself.  Having a job in the film industry does not necessarily mean you are any good at it.  I will take you're advice into consideration, but I personally disagree.

If you want to dissuade us from voicing our complaints, try the clever approach, and do it from our level, rather than holding yourself up on a pedestal.

[pfellahX]

I mostly agree with OP's take, but totally disagree with the point about making "art" more palatable. Bioware's attempt to make this about "artistic integrity" is an attempt to re-frame the debate away from that regular boring integrity where you don't lie to your customers about the product you ship. If this was the ending they intended all along, then they knowingly lied about the product all the way through the leadup to March 6th, and letting them frame the discussion as being about "art" lets them off the hook for that.

If this were a car company, a debate about "art" would be about what fabrics were used, or where the various dials and switches were placed. What Bioware has done here would be like spending months saying "our customers keep telling us they want a car that's fun to drive, so we'll make a V8 standard and give it a sports suspension" and then delivering a base-model Ford Focus. And when we complain about the hamster-wheel under the hood, saying, "oh, I guess you didn't understand our artistic statement -- we'll go back and put a few more buttons on the dashboard to provide closure."

[Spectre Impersonator]

I don't think art gets special treatment over other products if I have to pay for it. It was a falsely advertised product and either Bioware gives me a reason to trust them again or they don't get my money in the future.

[humes spork]

MattFini wrote...

Mac Walters also said the galaxy is a wasteland post-ME3, which BioWare seems to be reversing their stance on in the wake of the ending mishap.

Well, considering the way this has all panned out I suspect ol' Mac just might be taking a backseat on this project.

Oh God yes. Look and see how much that film improved with the simple removal of Harrison Ford's narration!

Don't forget Scott's cut, which completely reframed the ending with but one altered scene midfilm.

EDIT: On a personal note, I'll just add it's my hope they don't remove the destruction of the relays but rather add some cutscenes that demonstrate the relays' destruction is not the end of galactic civilization.

Modifié par humes spork, 19 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[Jeb231]

Thanks Michael Bay.

2001 is one of my favorite movie. This is a Scifi game/movie. A mind blowing ending is fine as long as it is narratively coherent.My body is ready.

[Clayless]

Jeb231 wrote...

Thanks Michael Bay.

It'd be so cool if the OP actually was Michael Bay.

[Dead_Meat357]

As bad as the ending act of ME3 was, I'm quite skeptical about the Extended Cut being good. I think everyone is worried about that.

rma2110 wrote...

I happen to like artsy movies, but that kind of artsy ending doesn't belong in Mass Effect. It just doesn't
fit. It'd be like having aliens suddenly fly in and abduct everyone at the end of Dragon Age. It's just a very sudden and jarring shift.

I'm hoping for the best, but I don't see how BioWare can remove plot points. They already said that they aren't changing anything. I wish I could magic away the Catslyst.

I don't like artsy movies as a general rule. They aren't all bad but as you said such an ending doesn't fit with Mass Effect and never should have been included. After the credits I expected this to appear: 

FIN.

Seemed like what they were going for. And how could they not realize people wanted closure? People always want that. We want to know that our team, our galaxy are going to be OK and even if Shepard dies, we know it was worth it. We accomplished something. Now if they want to bust out with Mass Effect 4, then closure doesn't make sense. If they don't, then yeah, close everything up.

Modifié par Dead_Meat357, 19 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[Cobra's_back]

Thanks look forward to the ending DLC.

[hopeisreal]

so what exactly is this extended cut? More missions and more to the ending?

[George Costanza]

ChickenMan77 wrote...

Plus you know what your getting into when you start watching a David Lynch movie...I love Mulholland Drive but dislike the ME3 ending because that's not what I signed on for

This sums it up for me.

I love lots of movies that are considered somewhat arty or obscure. I watch a lot of world cinema and some of my favourite directors and movies are foreign. I'm by no means sat in Starbucks wearing a scarf and laughing at mainstream cinema with my hipster friends, but I do like to retain an open mind and give anything a try.

But the ending to Mass Effect 3 isn't art. Throwing your audience a curveball at the eleventh hour isn't art. Getting people talking isn't art. Hitting your demographic with something they don't see coming isn't art.

The Mass Effect 3 ending is at odds with what has come before it, and it's out of place in the series. If the entire series had been the same as the ending tonally and thematically then (despite still being very poorly written and executed) it would at least have been consistent. As ChickenMan said, we know what we're getting into with David Lynch and we know what we were into when we were playing Mass Effect. The ending to ME3 is akin to tacking the crucifix singalong from Life Of Brian onto the end of Schindlers List.

Ludicrous.

Modifié par George Costanza, 19 avril 2012 - 06:23 .

[omikron199]

Taboo-XX wrote...

 I've created this topic in response to the communities reactions to the fake information coming out of Reddit and to summarize what an extended cut is and what it means for Mass Effect. Please remember that this is my job and a both the film and game development communities share similarities.

Why you need to pay attention to what Mr. Gamble says:

Mr. Gamble has completely blown me away by simply talking to us in some capacity and we should feel lucky that we're getting anything at all. Most producers are absolutely awful people. They care little about the audience and are only in to make a product that will make money and really don't care about who gets burned in their warpath. I have worked with people like this and they are some of the most unpleasent people I've ever encountered. Mr. Gamble has convinced me he is not like this simply by talking to the community.

Secondly Mr. Gamble confirmed yesterday my own suspicions on where the Extended Cut is now. It is still in pre-production. Bioware is still writing scripts, dialouge and are drawing storyboards. They have not commited to doing anything yet and are still gathering constructive feedback. Under no circumstances should you believe anything that comes from 4Chan or Reddit or any other media site as they are well aware of the situation on the BSN and will take every chance they can to troll you. The only people you should be paying attention to are Bioware employees.

Performing feats of Alchemy: Turning turds in gold.

I'd like to take some time to remind people what an extended cut means and how it will affect Mass Effect 3. An extended cut can:

Add footage
Restore plot points
Remove plot points and replace them with others (!)

This additions can directly make an impact on what a narrative does and how it is expressed. I believe that the current narrative is inappropriate because it does not reflect on past descisions and choices, nor do I find it particularly palatable.

You can fix quite a lot by mixing things around and by playing with the narrative a bit. Let me know if you want examples of things that have benefitted from editing and additional footage.

This beer tastes awful!: Bioware's mistake of serving you "arty" beer.

I like art films a great deal, unfortunatley a great majority of people do not, and I think has caused a great deal of anger on the forums. BSN users are not dumb but they are unfamiliar with what I would consider to be true "artistic" endeavors and much like beer your first taste is particularly unpleasent. It doesn't taste good, I understand and you don't have to partake in it if you don't want to. If you do continue to "drink" it will eventually taste better even if the experience is a bad one. I think this is where Bioware dropped the ball big time and where they need to step up to plate in this extended cut. They need to make it more palatable to a mainstream audience.

Stop giving people your dirty laundry! We've already got our fingers in everyone's pies!

One great piece of advice I can give you is you must, must stop giving the media your dirty laundry (see link in title for explanation). The media loves nothing more than latching on to the worst aspects of anything and will use it to gather hits and spread discord. I myself am very frustrated by the media's reaction but also by some of the communties actions. When you act like an amourous baboon everytime you don't get your way it looks particularly bad on the community as a whole. This is something I deal with in the film community all the time. I myself have had to go into damage control over certain film's reception and believe me it's not fun. Lastly be thankful that Bioware is aware that many people are willing to give active mature feedback and are listening at all. We've already rustled enough jimmies, there is no need to rustle more.



I'm unsure about what else I can say. The last bit of advice I can give is that we've got to calm down a bit, at least until an official announcement is made.

I'd be happy to answer any questions if you have any.

You're working for bioware, aren't you?

Modifié par omikron199, 19 avril 2012 - 06:28 .

[Taboo]

 Michael Bay 

If anything he has made movies worse. The logic fallacies in Armageddon are unforgivable.

The ending feels like a bad parody to these films here:

Solaris

AND

Stalker

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 19 avril 2012 - 06:40 .

[NM_Che56]

Taboo-XX wrote...

ChickenMan77 wrote...

Hey!!! I didn't order a Zima..I wanted a Pabst

PABST IS A TERRIBLE BEER.

If you do continue to drink it will eventually taste better...

[Mylia Stenetch]

Taboo-XX wrote...

 You guys need to understand that the announcement of the Extended Cut is an admission of guilt. Companies don't always come out and say they are sorry. You can get a feature lenfth film shot in four or five months so I can imagine that we're going to see some pretty interesting stuff.

I am glad you see this also. I have said that before in some threads that this is the best appologie we will ever get from this. 

[Clayless]

omikron199 wrote...

You're working for bioware, aren't you?

You shouldn't say things like this. You're hated by Retakers and pro-enders alike when you troll like this.

[Taboo]

Master Che wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ChickenMan77 wrote...

Hey!!! I didn't order a Zima..I wanted a Pabst

PABST IS A TERRIBLE BEER.

If you do continue to drink it will eventually taste better...

Since my writing is so terrible I'll make some audio to go along side this as I can't seem to express myself properly without people getting confused. I'm a terrible writer and I apologize.

[humes spork]

Taboo-XX wrote...

If anything he has made movies worse.

Eh, I consider Bay a symptom of what's wrong with contemporary entertainment standards rather than a cause.