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[Blc949]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Exactly, EA can make them change it. Not us, its not our place to say that the game THEY made for EA, doesn't fit our expectations...

Don't get me wrong, i'm pissed that they didn't live up to the things they said they'd do. I'm FURIOUS...but i'm not gonna tell them to change it...I'm just gonna wait till reviews are out on a game next time...and not expect soo much...

Our expectations were raised BY BioWare, so that is their own fault that they failed, and when someone fails on a massive level like that it is expected that they fix it.

I will grant you that all of us our, got our expectations maybe even higher than BioWare thought, but the third game in a trilogy? Any fan, diehard or casual isn't going to wait for reviews, they either go out and buy it within the first few days of the release, or pre-ordered it.

That doesn't mean I won't get the new DLC, or even try out any future Mass Effect games, I just hope they listen to their fans (you know, their marketed consumer base, they ones they target) and give us what we want ( the key to any good product, give the people what they want).

I agree completely, all i'm saying is that its not our place to demand the change...
I fully believe that they made a HUGE mistake with the ending, but if they choose to not change it (like they did) i can't say anything against it...

Demand, yes.  Force, no.  It's simple.  Either you change the product in this way or I won't buy anything else from your company. That's the consumer telling the company what they want.  Sony, release a kinect style product or I will go to microsoft.  Samsung, release a tablet with front and back cameras or I'll go to apple.    Consumers make demands all the time.  Don't you remember the Sun Chips fiasco?  I won't buy your sunchips unless the bags are quieter.

Wow...i think you're overestimating your power dude.
Consumers don't change current and EXISTING products...they give feedback to change how NEW products act/look/behave/etc.
We don;t change an already created product. We change the NEXT one.

ME3 is obviously already made, therefor a created product, BW and EA failed to make a product that satisfied their customers, so their NEXT product will be different. Get he idea?

EDIT: giving an ultimatum like you did multiple times, is an attempt to force a change. Demanding something to change is also an attempt to force a change. so your first two statements are completely contradictory.

And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

[thunderhawk862002]

And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

[/quote]
Or as small as a noisy bag of chips.

[Blc949]

[quote]thunderhawk862002 wrote...



And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

[/quote]
Or as small as a noisy bag of chips.

[/quote]

If man was designed to settle for what was good enough, we'd still be hunting with sticks instead of going "man, these sticks suck balls man, we should make something better.  I don't care what the elder thinks".

People didn't like the bag of chips.  Maybe they were getting yelled at by husbands/wifes/kids/parents and decided that a bag of chips wasn't worth the hassle?  Stupid little **** causes big problems for people.

[AJRimmsey]

Blc949 wrote...


And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

and in years to come when the media starts reminicing about these years,about how we fought against >

poverty
starving children
tibetan monk murders
african famine
middle east dictators
womens uterous removal without thier knowledge
childrens feet being bound
child slavery
over fishing
seal culling
nuclear weapons
war
mass murder
genocide
poisoning the seas
nuclear waste
poisoning the land
rainforests

what can we say to our children we did to help thier world ??????

da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaa

we protested for months about the last few minutes of a video game

i`m sure that will make those who did it so proud

[thunderhawk862002]

[quote]Blc949 wrote...

[quote]thunderhawk862002 wrote...



And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

[/quote]
Or as small as a noisy bag of chips.

[/quote]

If man was designed to settle for what was good enough, we'd still be hunting with sticks instead of going "man, these sticks suck balls man, we should make something better.  I don't care what the elder thinks".

People didn't like the bag of chips.  Maybe they were getting yelled at by husbands/wifes/kids/parents and decided that a bag of chips wasn't worth the hassle?  Stupid little **** causes big problems for people.

[/quote]

Haha I was agreeing with you.  I was just saying that a bag of chips is even smaller than a video game and that got changed.

[Blc949]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Blc949 wrote...


And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

and in years to come when the media starts reminicing about these years,about how we fought against >

poverty
starving children
tibetan monk murders
african famine
middle east dictators
womens uterous removal without thier knowledge
childrens feet being bound
child slavery
over fishing
seal culling
nuclear weapons
war
mass murder
genocide
poisoning the seas
nuclear waste
poisoning the land
rainforests

what can we say to our children we did to help thier world ??????

da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaa

we protested for months about the last few minutes of a video game

i`m sure that will make those who did it so proud

Ah, the "if it isn't world poverty then its stupid" arguement.  Brool story co

[Blc949]

[quote]thunderhawk862002 wrote...

[quote]Blc949 wrote...

[quote]thunderhawk862002 wrote...



And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

[/quote]
Or as small as a noisy bag of chips.

[/quote]

If man was designed to settle for what was good enough, we'd still be hunting with sticks instead of going "man, these sticks suck balls man, we should make something better.  I don't care what the elder thinks".

People didn't like the bag of chips.  Maybe they were getting yelled at by husbands/wifes/kids/parents and decided that a bag of chips wasn't worth the hassle?  Stupid little **** causes big problems for people.

[/quote]

Haha I was agreeing with you.  I was just saying that a bag of chips is even smaller than a video game and that got changed.

[/quote]

Ah sorry man, works making me aggro today.

[thunderhawk862002]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Blc949 wrote...


And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

and in years to come when the media starts reminicing about these years,about how we fought against >

poverty
starving children
tibetan monk murders
african famine
middle east dictators
womens uterous removal without thier knowledge
childrens feet being bound
child slavery
over fishing
seal culling
nuclear weapons
war
mass murder
genocide
poisoning the seas
nuclear waste
poisoning the land
rainforests

what can we say to our children we did to help thier world ??????

da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaa

we protested for months about the last few minutes of a video game

i`m sure that will make those who did it so proud

I'd hope they would be proud that we took the first big stand against the excessive lies that are used in the game development cycle.  Gamers have taken it on the chin long enough now and it's high time the publishers realize that they can't just lie about their game and expect nothing to happen.  Capcom games sell less units now because people realize that the first release is a beta version.  The real one will come out later.

If more video game consumers would stand up against the false promotion of video games maybe the industry would finally change.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 20 avril 2012 - 10:31 .

[NegativelyChrgd]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

I'd hope they would be proud that we took the first big stand against the excessive lies that are used in the game development cycle.  Gamers have taken it on the chin long enough now and it's high time the publishers realize that they can't just lie about their game and expect nothing to happen.  Capcom games sell less units now because people realize that the first release is a beta version.  The real one will come out later.

If more video game consumers would stand up against the false promotion of video games maybe the industry would finally change.

Agreed, even though they didn't get exactly what was wanted they made a noise, I'm not so convinced we would be getting an extended cut if not for those efforts. Hopefully this is just a start, industries will keep pushing the boundaries in any way they can but the gaming community will push back and show them we're not going to stand for it. 

[TX-Toast]

I'm waiting patiently for the EC. I'm not getting my hopes up, but you never know.

Recently I discovered this thing called fanfiction. And some of it is actually good!

[bleachorange]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I recognize a great loss of supporting signatures and threads about it, the official Facebook page got completely silent, fundraisers are closed, cupcake action lays some time in the past...

What about "Hold the Line"?
Did the movement got finally killed with the Extended Cut or what?

We're still here, lurking like ninja asari, waiting for EA/Bioware to screw up their promise to fix this sh*t.

arial wrote...

the younger complaining players found another game to go complain about.

What other game? There have been no other games I was looking forward to. I'm reduced to RTS modding to pass my time. Stereotyping is bad for your reputation...

[TheOptimist]

AlanC9 wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...
My thinking tends to be more along the lines of why wouldn't there be better options available.  For instance, we already know the catalyst can send out a signal that affects only the Reapers, via the control option.  So why wouldn't there be an option to send out a signal to destroy the Reapers, and ONLY the Reapers?  And as for it being alien technology, we built the crucible.  Having explained what it does, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to tweak the targeting software.  But this is conjecture.

Note that "built" doesn't mean "understood;" one thing Bio did make sure to convey was that no one knew what the Crucible was really supposed to do

Agreed, but upon having now LEARNED what it is supposed to do, it's functions and inner parts might now make more sense, and therefore be adjustable.  Just a theory though, and I agree there's no reason this HAS to be true.

To use just one example, the Krogan's planet is slowly going to die because you destroyed the device keeping the atmosphere breathable (the Shroud).  It is stated that the Krogan will have to leave for colony worlds to survive.  The Krogan have also not been allowed ships, they have no fleet of their own.  How will the population reach those colonies before the air runs out, now that the fleets that could have transported them are stranded at Earth with years of travel before they can reach their own home systems, much less Tuchanka or the Krogan colony worlds?  Questions like this beg answers like 'they can't', thus the assumption the Krogan are doomed even if you cured the Genophage.  This and questions like this are caused by the destruction of the Mass Effect Relays, and if the Relays are to remain destroyed, then the writing team needs to tell us how it affected the rest of the galaxy.

You sure about the Shroud? The Codex entry doesn't support that, and I don't recall it from my playthrough. My understanding was that stabilizing the planet's habitability was already done. However, I don't have a save from the appropriate point to verify this.

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Shroud

Regardless of which you choose the Shroud is eventually destroyed as it explodes, although the consequence of destroying the Shroud has yet to be seen as it was effectively keeping Tuchanka's air breathable.

I realize this may not be an official source, but it's the closest I can get, and this agrees with my own memory of how the Shroud works. 

[Gatt9]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Blc949 wrote...


And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

and in years to come when the media starts reminicing about these years,about how we fought against >

poverty
starving children
tibetan monk murders
african famine
middle east dictators
womens uterous removal without thier knowledge
childrens feet being bound
child slavery
over fishing
seal culling
nuclear weapons
war
mass murder
genocide
poisoning the seas
nuclear waste
poisoning the land
rainforests

what can we say to our children we did to help thier world ??????

da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaa

we protested for months about the last few minutes of a video game

i`m sure that will make those who did it so proud

This is a good example of another common community manipulation tactic that was used prevelantly in all of the threads post-release.

The primary arguement is weak,  under fire,  and collapsing.  So since the person looking to redirect or control the topic's primary plan is no longer viable,  they turn to a backup plan.

The goal is to cause the reader(s) to think:  "Yeah,  all of these terrible things are going on in the world,  this doesn't matter much",  and walk away from the topic.  The secondary goal is to try to force the opposing side to feel shamed and induce the feeling that they should be doing something else.

The hope is that it will gather good will from people active in those external issues,  and that it will cause some number of people to cease discussing the issue the company wants to disappear.  It's meant to rebalance the discussion so that the person can escape their fragile arguements and the losing battle.

The fallacy is,  a person is quite capable of arguing for/against those causes in parallel.  Arguing about the ME3 disaster does not make one unable to argue about any of those topics as well.

Now that I've posted that,  the counter move will shift to attempting to derail the topic by engendering a flame war with the hope that the topic gets locked.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Is the RetakeME3 movement dead?

More of we have moved-on if the RetakeME3 is concerned. There are other games coming out specifically Diablo III.

[Commander Shepard the Grey Warden]

I hope so.

[AJRimmsey]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

Is the RetakeME3 movement dead?

More of we have moved-on if the RetakeME3 is concerned. There are other games coming out specifically Diablo III.

its summer soon,always a dead time for gamers.

but witcher 2 v2 just dropped on my doorstep,i suppose that`ll help if we get yet another wet n windy summer

[LegendaryBlade]

I'm looking forward to The Secret World coming out in a few months x:

[AlanC9]

TheOptimist wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Shroud

Regardless of which you choose the Shroud is eventually destroyed as it explodes, although the consequence of destroying the Shroud has yet to be seen as it was effectively keeping Tuchanka's air breathable.

I realize this may not be an official source, but it's the closest I can get, and this agrees with my own memory of how the Shroud works. 

Hmm. Since I've just reached Tuchanka in my current game. I'll make sure to take notes.

[Blc949]

Gatt9 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Blc949 wrote...


And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

and in years to come when the media starts reminicing about these years,about how we fought against >

poverty
starving children
tibetan monk murders
african famine
middle east dictators
womens uterous removal without thier knowledge
childrens feet being bound
child slavery
over fishing
seal culling
nuclear weapons
war
mass murder
genocide
poisoning the seas
nuclear waste
poisoning the land
rainforests

what can we say to our children we did to help thier world ??????

da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaa

we protested for months about the last few minutes of a video game

i`m sure that will make those who did it so proud

This is a good example of another common community manipulation tactic that was used prevelantly in all of the threads post-release.

The primary arguement is weak,  under fire,  and collapsing.  So since the person looking to redirect or control the topic's primary plan is no longer viable,  they turn to a backup plan.

The goal is to cause the reader(s) to think:  "Yeah,  all of these terrible things are going on in the world,  this doesn't matter much",  and walk away from the topic.  The secondary goal is to try to force the opposing side to feel shamed and induce the feeling that they should be doing something else.

The hope is that it will gather good will from people active in those external issues,  and that it will cause some number of people to cease discussing the issue the company wants to disappear.  It's meant to rebalance the discussion so that the person can escape their fragile arguements and the losing battle.

The fallacy is,  a person is quite capable of arguing for/against those causes in parallel.  Arguing about the ME3 disaster does not make one unable to argue about any of those topics as well.

Now that I've posted that,  the counter move will shift to attempting to derail the topic by engendering a flame war with the hope that the topic gets locked.

Well put sir.

[Dridengx]

slyguy200 wrote...

Yeah, like any of us can be of any significant help with any of those things. We will do this instead, a few donations is all we can really do, so don't go off and say that garbage really applies.

but you sure were proud touting those Child's Play charity donations you did though acting like it was so major collecting 80,000. Retake even bragged how CP would be nothing without them even though they made 3 million without you. it's not even worth arguing with you guys because you keep changing your stance funny how it was for the game not making sense and wanting closure.. then it was for turning your negative energy into something postive.. then the ending doesn't need clarification.. to now.. we're doing this for gaming!!

you're doing it because you are a bunch of sorry people with nothing better to do. Witcher 2 is out, Diablo 3 open beta is out. it's the weekend go out.. nah, you would rather whine on the forums KNOWING nothing will be done until Summer regardless how much you cry.. sad.

now if you'll excuse me I have better things to do.. How's your Mass Effect 3 ending you wanted? no luck? aww well maybe you need more threads lol

Modifié par Dridengx, 21 avril 2012 - 12:00 .

[SalsaDMA]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Blc949 wrote...


And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

and in years to come when the media starts reminicing about these years,about how we fought against >

poverty
starving children
tibetan monk murders
african famine
middle east dictators
womens uterous removal without thier knowledge
childrens feet being bound
child slavery
over fishing
seal culling
nuclear weapons
war
mass murder
genocide
poisoning the seas
nuclear waste
poisoning the land
rainforests

what can we say to our children we did to help thier world ??????

da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaa

we protested for months about the last few minutes of a video game

i`m sure that will make those who did it so proud

You're welcome to fix any of those things instead sitting and posting in a forum complaining about people that complain about something they are unhappy with...

[Rogue Unit]

Dridengx wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Yeah, like any of us can be of any significant help with any of those things. We will do this instead, a few donations is all we can really do, so don't go off and say that garbage really applies.

but you sure were proud touting those Child's Play charity donations you did though acting like it was so major collecting 80,000. Retake even bragged how CP would be nothing without them even though they made 3 million without you. it's not even worth arguing with you guys because you keep changing your stance funny how it was for the game not making sense and wanting closure.. then it was for turning your negative energy into something postive.. then the ending doesn't need clarification.. to now.. we're doing this for gaming!!

you're doing it because you are a bunch of sorry people with nothing better to do. Witcher 2 is out, Diablo 3 open beta is out. it's the weekend go out.. nah, you would rather whine on the forums KNOWING nothing will be done until Summer regardless how much you cry.. sad.

And all you seem to do is whine about RME. At least when they "whined" something got accomplished, unlike your situation.

Look who needs to find something better to do with their time. I suggest TW2, Dialo or simply going out with friends for the weekend.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 20 avril 2012 - 11:58 .

[GhostV9]

I considered the retake movement over after the Extended Cut was announced. Not because that's what we wanted, but because that was all we're going to get. The game is over and many of us are done with supporting BW (myself included) as a result.

[GhostV9]

Dridengx wrote...

you're doing it because you are a bunch of sorry people with nothing better to do.

And you're only insulting us because you're just as sorry with nothing better to do.

Modifié par GhostV9, 21 avril 2012 - 12:01 .