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[AJRimmsey]

GhostV9 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

you're doing it because you are a bunch of sorry people with nothing better to do.

And you're only insulting us because you're just as sorry with nothing better to do.

are you sure that came out the way you wanted it to ?

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

Is the RetakeME3 movement dead?

More of we have moved-on if the RetakeME3 is concerned. There are other games coming out specifically Diablo III.

its summer soon,always a dead time for gamers.

but witcher 2 v2 just dropped on my doorstep,i suppose that`ll help if we get yet another wet n windy summer

Its out now? Man, I have the original TW2 so I get a free upgrade to Enhanced Edition with so much additional content.

I'm going to download it now!

[Ianamus]

You can only complain about something for so long. I've pretty much just accepted that (for me) Mass Effect 3 was a flop and decided not to buy future Mass Effect games.

All we can really do is move on to other game series that we still enjoy.

Modifié par EJ107, 21 avril 2012 - 12:52 .

[Blc949]

EJ107 wrote...

You can only complain about something for so long. I've pretty much just accepted that (for me) Mass Effect 3 was a flop and decided not to buy future Mass Effect games.

All we can really do is move on to other game series that we still enjoy.

And hopefully other companies will learn that gamers aren't gaming to get artsy fartsy bull**** at the end. 

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

EJ107 wrote...

You can only complain about something for so long. I've pretty much just accepted that (for me) Mass Effect 3 was a flop and decided not to buy future Mass Effect games.

All we can really do is move on to other game series that we still enjoy.

Same sentiments but not overblown not to like Mass Effect Shepard as a whole. Although I have no plans to get duped by preorder and digital collector's edition again.

[AJRimmsey]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

You can only complain about something for so long. I've pretty much just accepted that (for me) Mass Effect 3 was a flop and decided not to buy future Mass Effect games.

All we can really do is move on to other game series that we still enjoy.

Same sentiments but not overblown not to like Mass Effect Shepard as a whole. Although I have no plans to get duped by preorder and digital collector's edition again.

and that will have more effect than any of the forum spamming or demanding.

simply control the money and they will adapt to accomodate you.

[PrimeOfValor]

The organization itself turned into "Retake Gaming" to spread opinions on developer to stop cutting out the ending for extra money in the case of asura's wrath and probably true with Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par bigmass41, 21 avril 2012 - 01:02 .

[Constant Motion]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

In short - they were lots of people with different perspectives, united by the mutual goal of wanting to bully devs into hammering the game into a shape that suits their individual tastes.

Not saying dissatisfaction's irrational - uncontrollable, if anything, and I'm sorry that not everyone enjoyed the game as much as I did - but they're such a bizarre mixture of well-intentioned enthusiasts and "spoiled little emperors," to quote Charlie Brooker, that unity was never really on the cards.

Modifié par Constant Motion, 21 avril 2012 - 01:08 .

[_aLucidMind_]

Constant Motion wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

In short - they were lots of people with different perspectives, united by the mutual goal of wanting to bully devs into hammering the game into a shape that suits their individual tastes.

Not saying dissatisfaction's irrational - uncontrollable, if anything, and I'm sorry that not everyone enjoyed the game as much as I did - but they're such a bizarre mixture of well-intentioned enthusiasts and "spoiled little emperors," to quote Charlie Brooker, that unity was never really on the cards.

Their goal wasn't to bully the devs, the goal was to get an ending that is written by the team and not two fools who apparently didn't know what they were doing, let alone how to not make mistakes that even a rookie writer would know to avoid. Only a couple tried to bully them and those few are simply imbeciles. Also, saying "we want an ending that makes sense" (which is what almost all of them were saying) is not asking for them to suit anyone's individual tastes.

[thunderhawk862002]

Constant Motion wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

In short - they were lots of people with different perspectives, united by the mutual goal of wanting to bully devs into hammering the game into a shape that suits their individual tastes.

Not saying dissatisfaction's irrational - uncontrollable, if anything, and I'm sorry that not everyone enjoyed the game as much as I did - but they're such a bizarre mixture of well-intentioned enthusiasts and "spoiled little emperors," to quote Charlie Brooker, that unity was never really on the cards.

Lol bullying devs?  Devs and publishers have been bullying us for this entire generation with their DLC crap.  Their glitchy games that can be hopefully patched later.  The unnecessary $10 price increase.  Not to mention trying to kill both the rental and the used industry.  Us bully them? Please.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Blc949 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Exactly, EA can make them change it. Not us, its not our place to say that the game THEY made for EA, doesn't fit our expectations...

Don't get me wrong, i'm pissed that they didn't live up to the things they said they'd do. I'm FURIOUS...but i'm not gonna tell them to change it...I'm just gonna wait till reviews are out on a game next time...and not expect soo much...

Our expectations were raised BY BioWare, so that is their own fault that they failed, and when someone fails on a massive level like that it is expected that they fix it.

I will grant you that all of us our, got our expectations maybe even higher than BioWare thought, but the third game in a trilogy? Any fan, diehard or casual isn't going to wait for reviews, they either go out and buy it within the first few days of the release, or pre-ordered it.

That doesn't mean I won't get the new DLC, or even try out any future Mass Effect games, I just hope they listen to their fans (you know, their marketed consumer base, they ones they target) and give us what we want ( the key to any good product, give the people what they want).

I agree completely, all i'm saying is that its not our place to demand the change...
I fully believe that they made a HUGE mistake with the ending, but if they choose to not change it (like they did) i can't say anything against it...

Demand, yes.  Force, no.  It's simple.  Either you change the product in this way or I won't buy anything else from your company. That's the consumer telling the company what they want.  Sony, release a kinect style product or I will go to microsoft.  Samsung, release a tablet with front and back cameras or I'll go to apple.    Consumers make demands all the time.  Don't you remember the Sun Chips fiasco?  I won't buy your sunchips unless the bags are quieter.

Wow...i think you're overestimating your power dude.
Consumers don't change current and EXISTING products...they give feedback to change how NEW products act/look/behave/etc.
We don;t change an already created product. We change the NEXT one.

ME3 is obviously already made, therefor a created product, BW and EA failed to make a product that satisfied their customers, so their NEXT product will be different. Get he idea?

EDIT: giving an ultimatum like you did multiple times, is an attempt to force a change. Demanding something to change is also an attempt to force a change. so your first two statements are completely contradictory.

And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

Lets just cut to the chase here...people like youy think they are entitled to getting everything they want. Where as people like me, realize the only way to get what you want is to earn it. period.

And thats what this "movement" was about, a bunch of childish, spoiled brats thinking they are entitled.
And the rest of reality saying "No"

[Constant Motion]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

Constant Motion wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

In short - they were lots of people with different perspectives, united by the mutual goal of wanting to bully devs into hammering the game into a shape that suits their individual tastes.

Not saying dissatisfaction's irrational - uncontrollable, if anything, and I'm sorry that not everyone enjoyed the game as much as I did - but they're such a bizarre mixture of well-intentioned enthusiasts and "spoiled little emperors," to quote Charlie Brooker, that unity was never really on the cards.

Their goal wasn't to bully the devs, the goal was to get an ending that is written by the team and not two fools who apparently didn't know what they were doing, let alone how to not make mistakes that even a rookie writer would know to avoid. Only a couple tried to bully them and those few are simply imbeciles. Also, saying "we want an ending that makes sense" (which is what almost all of them were saying) is not asking for them to suit anyone's individual tastes.

I think calling the writers - both of whom will be friends with most of the team and one of whom has been on the dev team since ME1 "two fools who apparently didn't know what they were doing" - starts to breach the umbrella of bullying. 

But I take your point, and do accept that vast swathes of the movement have been perfectly nice about it. You've raised ridiculous amounts of money for charity, how great is that!? Perfectly fine attitude. "Here's what we think, here's how passionate we are - do what you want, but we're just saying." But I don't think the self-important "do what I say" faction is limited to just a couple of rotten apples by any means.

[Constant Motion]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Constant Motion wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

In short - they were lots of people with different perspectives, united by the mutual goal of wanting to bully devs into hammering the game into a shape that suits their individual tastes.

Not saying dissatisfaction's irrational - uncontrollable, if anything, and I'm sorry that not everyone enjoyed the game as much as I did - but they're such a bizarre mixture of well-intentioned enthusiasts and "spoiled little emperors," to quote Charlie Brooker, that unity was never really on the cards.

Lol bullying devs?  Devs and publishers have been bullying us for this entire generation with their DLC crap.  Their glitchy games that can be hopefully patched later.  The unnecessary $10 price increase.  Not to mention trying to kill both the rental and the used industry.  Us bully them? Please.

What, by giving you the opportunity to buy their bonus content if you want it, and ignore it if you don't?

If you're not in control of your wallet that's your own problem. You only pay $10 for it if you want to pay $10 for it. Resent it if you want, call it bullying if you fancy, but it's only how every sale that's ever been made has ever worked ever. They made a product, and you went "yes, I can afford to spend $10 on that." You don't deserve it for free, and it doesn't make it okay to tell the devs they're talentless hacks. 

Please!

Modifié par Constant Motion, 21 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

All i can really say to this anyone, is ARE YOU KIDDING?!?
A "Worldwide movement?" Don't kid yourself, i bet you money if you went to your local coffee shop and asked the everyone there if they knew what "retake ME3" was...the majority if not all of them...would say they have no idea.
Re-take Wall-street? People know what that is, something as mindless and exaggerated as this is never going to be larger than the heads of the people who made it up.

Its all about people and their ego's thinking they're entitled to something they have no say in.
Grow up people, wake up to the real world.

[Gatt9]

Lets just cut to the chase here...people like youy think they are entitled to getting everything they want. Where as people like me, realize the only way to get what you want is to earn it. period.

And thats what this "movement" was about, a bunch of childish, spoiled brats thinking they are entitled.
And the rest of reality saying "No"

Actually, people like you keep getting terrible products.

ME3 is obviously already made, therefor a created product, BW and EA failed to make a product that satisfied their customers, so their NEXT product will be different. Get he idea?

DA2.

This whole premise didn't work from DA2 -> ME3, and it won't work for the next game. EA's not interested in impressing you, they're interested in taking as much money as possible from you with the least amount of work possible.

Your arguement here is the same as "The game will be different from the demo!", it's not going to be. As long as people continue to just buy whatever they put out, they'll continue to put out terrible products and charge you increasing amounts for it.

The rest of your statements are just repeating IGN and such. Let's be honest here, you wouldn't have posted a word of that if you hadn't read it somewhere else first.

[Getorex]

GhostV9 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

you're doing it because you are a bunch of sorry people with nothing better to do.

And you're only insulting us because you're just as sorry with nothing better to do.

Well, sure.  Gotta find SOME purpose in life right?  

We linger around, like ghosts in the halls, waiting to see what sort of effluvium ejects from Bioware's anal sphincter (calling it an "extended cut").  Once THAT bolus of hurl splashes down and everyone gets a good whiff, the ghosts will disappear and leave Bioware to stew in the cesspool of its own making.

[_aLucidMind_]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Blc949 wrote...

And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

Lets just cut to the chase here...people like youy think they are entitled to getting everything they want. Where as people like me, realize the only way to get what you want is to earn it. period.

And thats what this "movement" was about, a bunch of childish, spoiled brats thinking they are entitled.
And the rest of reality saying "No"

Contrary to what you may think, there are many people wanting the same thing that also have stated that they are not entitled to anything. The fact of the matter is that this isn't a matter of being self-entitled, this is a matter of consumer rights and requesting them to make an ending that actually fits the trilogy, or at least one that makes sense. There is a difference between being self-entitled and trying to get a company to fix their mistake. Had people been demanding everything they wanted in-depth as opposed to just very broad and generalized statements, then maybe you would be able to correctly say that the entire group is self-entitled and not just a small number of them.

Modifié par _aLucidMind_, 21 avril 2012 - 01:37 .

[Ianamus]

Constant Motion wrote...

In short - they were lots of people with different perspectives, united by the mutual goal of wanting to bully devs into hammering the game into a shape that suits their individual tastes.

Not saying dissatisfaction's irrational - uncontrollable, if anything, and I'm sorry that not everyone enjoyed the game as much as I did - but they're such a bizarre mixture of well-intentioned enthusiasts and "spoiled little emperors," to quote Charlie Brooker, that unity was never really on the cards.

 

To be fair I think that people on the whole had fairly similar problems with the ending, namely the Catalyst appearing from nowhere and dictating Shepards choices to him last minute while contradicting everything we were told previously about synthetics and the Normandy randomly crashing without explanation as well. Those two things, coupled with the lack of impact your choices had on the ending probably sum up why the majority did not like the ending. 

As for what to do about it, that was what people disagreed on. Although I do think that a sort of unamimous please-all solution was to simply offer another choice at the end that would allow you to reject what the catalyst said and destory the Reapers without killing the Geth/EDI. And that seemed to be a reasonable solution. 

To be incredibly honest I'm not sure what I expected/wanted Bioware to do with the ending. But I was furious that the people who wrote Mass Effect wrote an ending that was just... so not Mass Effect. Mass Effect goes out of it's way to explain things and show you that your choices matter. While the ending seems to go out of its way to explain nothing and remain exactly the same no matter what you have done previously. Again, I'm unsure exactly what they should have done about but I think people were justified in complaining, I mean they have paid for the game after all, and were promised a satisfactory ending. 

I don't think the extended cut really solves anything. Lack of closure was a part of the problem of the ending, yes, but will more explanation make the Normandy crashing at the end or Shepard going along with what the catalyst says any better? no. As many others have said- the actual content of the ending is relatively clear, and many people just don't like it. 

I also don't think "spoiled" has anything to do with it. And to be incredibly honest after paying £130 for a collectors edition of the game you sort of expect to be spoiled, and rightly so. And, well, we weren't, in terms of the ending at least. While I am probably the most against the endings out of everyone I know in real life I don't know anybody who actively loves the endings, only people who think they are "alright" at best, and considering said people have raved about the endings to Bioware games in the past that's not a good thing. 

Modifié par EJ107, 21 avril 2012 - 01:50 .

[thunderhawk862002]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Blc949 wrote...

And years ago countries didn't organize protests/rebellions via facebook to overthrow governments.  The information age is changing how the world works. 

Video games are now never truely 100% finished products with the possibility of dlc.  1 person can't change much, but 1 person can inspire the masses to bring change. 

Be it something as small as a video game, or be it something as big as a government.  If you think you can't do something, you can't. 

Lets just cut to the chase here...people like youy think they are entitled to getting everything they want. Where as people like me, realize the only way to get what you want is to earn it. period.

And thats what this "movement" was about, a bunch of childish, spoiled brats thinking they are entitled.
And the rest of reality saying "No"

Contrary to what you may think, there are many people wanting the same thing that also have stated that they are not entitled to anything. The fact of the matter is that this isn't a matter of being self-entitled, this is a matter of consumer rights and requesting them to make an ending that actually fits the trilogy, or at least one that makes sense.

Or one that matches the promotion of it.

[Blc949]

Constant Motion wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Constant Motion wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

In short - they were lots of people with different perspectives, united by the mutual goal of wanting to bully devs into hammering the game into a shape that suits their individual tastes.

Not saying dissatisfaction's irrational - uncontrollable, if anything, and I'm sorry that not everyone enjoyed the game as much as I did - but they're such a bizarre mixture of well-intentioned enthusiasts and "spoiled little emperors," to quote Charlie Brooker, that unity was never really on the cards.

Lol bullying devs?  Devs and publishers have been bullying us for this entire generation with their DLC crap.  Their glitchy games that can be hopefully patched later.  The unnecessary $10 price increase.  Not to mention trying to kill both the rental and the used industry.  Us bully them? Please.

What, by giving you the opportunity to buy their bonus content if you want it, and ignore it if you don't?

If you're not in control of your wallet that's your own problem. You only pay $10 for it if you want to pay $10 for it. Resent it if you want, call it bullying if you fancy, but it's only how every sale that's ever been made has ever worked ever. They made a product, and you went "yes, I can afford to spend $10 on that." You don't deserve it for free, and it doesn't make it okay to tell the devs they're talentless hacks. 

Please!

You're a fool if you think dlc that comes out day of or very close to release is "bonus" content.  Old school gamers would call that "what use to be included with the game".

The way some people here think they'd be ok with Chevy building the next camaro for the same price as last years, but having a $10k "bonus" chip that activates cylinders 5 through 8.

[thunderhawk862002]

Blc949 wrote...

Constant Motion wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Constant Motion wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

In short - they were lots of people with different perspectives, united by the mutual goal of wanting to bully devs into hammering the game into a shape that suits their individual tastes.

Not saying dissatisfaction's irrational - uncontrollable, if anything, and I'm sorry that not everyone enjoyed the game as much as I did - but they're such a bizarre mixture of well-intentioned enthusiasts and "spoiled little emperors," to quote Charlie Brooker, that unity was never really on the cards.

Lol bullying devs?  Devs and publishers have been bullying us for this entire generation with their DLC crap.  Their glitchy games that can be hopefully patched later.  The unnecessary $10 price increase.  Not to mention trying to kill both the rental and the used industry.  Us bully them? Please.

What, by giving you the opportunity to buy their bonus content if you want it, and ignore it if you don't?

If you're not in control of your wallet that's your own problem. You only pay $10 for it if you want to pay $10 for it. Resent it if you want, call it bullying if you fancy, but it's only how every sale that's ever been made has ever worked ever. They made a product, and you went "yes, I can afford to spend $10 on that." You don't deserve it for free, and it doesn't make it okay to tell the devs they're talentless hacks. 

Please!

You're a fool if you think dlc that comes out day of or very close to release is "bonus" content.  Old school gamers would call that "what use to be included with the game".

The way some people here think they'd be ok with Chevy building the next camaro for the same price as last years, but having a $10k "bonus" chip that activates cylinders 5 through 8.

Boom.  Nailed it.

[Ianamus]

Blc949 wrote...

You're a fool if you think dlc that comes out day of or very close to release is "bonus" content.  Old school gamers would call that "what use to be included with the game".

The way some people here think they'd be ok with Chevy building the next camaro for the same price as last years, but having a $10k "bonus" chip that activates cylinders 5 through 8.

This. Exactly this. 

If an author cut out some of the chapters from the middle of their book and sold them seperately would that be acceptable? It's the exact same thing. 

[_aLucidMind_]

EJ107 wrote...

You're a fool if you think dlc that comes out day of or very close to release is "bonus" content.  Old school gamers would call that "what use to be included with the game".

The way some people here think they'd be ok with Chevy building the next camaro for the same price as last years, but having a $10k "bonus" chip that activates cylinders 5 through 8.

Precisely. I can understand if they cut or content-locked chunks and put it up for free day-one if there were anti-piracy checks like Origin does (doesn't it scan your files to make sure you're not using pirated DLC or base game?). That is understandable, but not if it is paid DLC when it is obviously on the disc.

[AJRimmsey]

Blc949 wrote...

You're a fool if you think dlc that comes out day of or very close to release is "bonus" content.  Old school gamers would call that "what use to be included with the game".

The way some people here think they'd be ok with Chevy building the next camaro for the same price as last years, but having a $10k "bonus" chip that activates cylinders 5 through 8.

you dont need analogys for that point.

sick to death of dlc thats so obviously supposed to be in the released game.

back when it appeared a few weeks after the game release it was pallatable,but on day 1 and blindingly obvious as chopped content really pisses me off.