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Yajuu Omoi

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Here's the thing...if your paying attention to these posts, i've already stated i believe they made a HUGE mistake with the way that they ended the game, however, it is NOT my place to demand anything of them, I can voice my opinion, give feedback, but after that, it's THEIR game and THEIR choice to do something.

That is a consumers place, if you wish to demand a change? Become a franchise owner, or designer,  THEN you will have a say in what happens.


Which is why I help developers out when one I like needs some $$$ on kickstarter and such.:bandit: Really, most people are waiting for the DLC to come out. Not up to my expectations? Then peace out, I'm going to Activision and Zenimax.

Then it'll be bye-bye :wizard:Space Magic:wizard: and hello EA boycott. I'm not going too far here, EA's not getting any more of my money if they can't deliver the goods. I apply this to everything, not just EA. So don't think jumping on the "you're a whiny entitled teenage brat who has no perspective" bandwagon will get any traction here.

B)

Peace.


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If you gave money/paid for the game, you can complain... period.

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Gatt9 wrote...

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Her's the thing...if your paying attention to these posts, i've already stated i believe they made a HUGE mistake with the way that they ended the game, however, it is NOT my place to demand anything of them, I can voice my opinion, give feedback, but after that, it's THEIR game and THEIR choice to do something.

That is a consumers place, if you wish to demand a change? Become a franchise owner, or designer,  THEN you will have a say in what happens.


Your assertion falls apart on the fact that the consumers bought the game on highly specific statements made by EA prior to the release of the game,  some of them made on the day of release,  that were factually incorrect.

All that's ever been demanded is that EA deliver the product they very specifically and unambiguously described.

Which is quite honestly,  a consumer's responsiblity. 

Sentiments like yours will just end up producing nothing but ever more expesive games with fewer and fewer features until EA's dream of charging you $1 every time you reload your clip becomes a reality.


Uh, no. I've already stated that they did not give a game they claimed to have made, but we still bought it. if we aren't happy with it? We go somewhere else. simple fact. if you were to go watch a movie that highly anticipated, and its being claimed to be one of the greatest movies of all time...and when it comes out...it flops, do the people who bought tickets to it demand they re do part of the movie? NO, why? because they have the sensability to relize, its a STUPID notion, you don't like something, you go somewhere else.

You don't demand to change something when you have no place even saying how it should be in the first place.

I don't like the ending, but i enjoy the MP, so i play the MP. i didn't even restart the SP one i completeed it for the achievement on the 360, but i keep playing the MP because its entertaining, i have no plans to get the EC DLC because i've lost interest in the story after seeing the horrible job they did with the conclusion.

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Maybe in some miracle if the DLC sucks, people with stop buying their games. Remember the PC MW2 protest?

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

If you gave money/paid for the game, you can complain... period.


Absolutely...but its not our place to demand a change.

Given enough negative feed back, a company will attempt to expand upon, or change their next product.
But its just rude, vulgar, and childish to demand something like that, as if one is entitled to it.

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Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

If you gave money/paid for the game, you can complain... period.


Absolutely...but its not our place to demand a change.

Given enough negative feed back, a company will attempt to expand upon, or change their next product.
But its just rude, vulgar, and childish to demand something like that, as if one is entitled to it.


Maybe if people were more civil and gave out a clearer message rather than just nitpicking and moaning Bioware might have thought that their fanbase is not a bunch of trolls. :P

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Heavymetal.fan wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

If you gave money/paid for the game, you can complain... period.


Absolutely...but its not our place to demand a change.

Given enough negative feed back, a company will attempt to expand upon, or change their next product.
But its just rude, vulgar, and childish to demand something like that, as if one is entitled to it.


Maybe if people were more civil and gave out a clearer message rather than just nitpicking and moaning Bioware might have thought that their fanbase is not a bunch of trolls. :P

i only Nit pick when its needed  bioware  Doesn't really Listen  Ea  = never has never will  Bioware  hasn't been Listening since  D.A  that i've noticed perhaps  before that i dont know for certain but i know Mass effect 3 and DA 2  was one of the games that a good amount of people flamed  at Ea/bioware for it  i know that the  Flamed at them for the pc verion of C&C 4  >_<  but  dont get me wrong  tho they did decent games and i agree entirely with Yajuu on this  that a majority of gaming companies only improve on their "next title" if  bioware has listened to us they Wont make the same mistake as  they did with Me3 with plot holes that wer not their entirely  ex  Starchild/star gazer + Catalyst  AI   "no back history no  clues what so ever"  every character in the ME fanchise had a back story  where as the 3  i listed never did  which Rubs the true fans the wrong way  which   also pisses us off even more when it never was in the  Me franchise "aside from Derelict reaper and Saran Arcturius " was reaper indoctrination  Sure it happens to NPC's but it doesn't mean thats what the ME Franchise is about realy   ik off topic lawl.. but its just how i see it realy..
 
Also no link in this even tho it may seem it  and sorry for long comments i'm not good with words lol..+ not american either >.> only using english so ppl would understand me

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As for the question... Well, I am here and I bet I'm not alone.
Holding the line and the walled and also spreading the word.

And by the way feeling something that closely resembles hate for EA-games.

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I was never part of the RetakeME3 movement...but I figure at this point, most are either waiting for the Extended Cut, or just gave up entirely and moved on.

Personally, I hope people will be more selective with their purchases as a result of this, but I doubt it. Gamers are still ultimately going to be "betrayed" by the critics who work for the publishers rather than the gamers, and more than likely go out and pre-order the next BioWare game the day it's announced.

I can only speak for myself...I will be much more selective, and, for the time being, only purchase BioWare games after word of mouth has begun to spread.

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DukeOfNukes wrote...
I can only speak for myself...I will be much more selective, and, for the time being, only purchase BioWare games after word of mouth has begun to spread.

You weren't already?Image IPB

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yes its dead ,Fans gave up and now waiting for ECDLC

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I think the problem with 'the movement' is that members didn't all want the same thing so it was inevitable that it would run out of steam without a unified manifesto. Some simply wanted more clarification, some wanted a complete re-write of the ending, some wanted Casey Hudson and Mac Walters hung drawn and quartered, and the most recent incarnation of 'the issue' is that BioWare falsely promoted their product. The latter could be considered to be the final desperate flail before the movement is pretty much over. Let's not forget of course that some just have nothing better to do with their time than wind up people on the internet or join as many groups as possible to gain a sense of belonging. It's interesting to see that certain writers from media outlets like Forbes who initially appeared to champion the cause have moved on to more relevant stories (sorry Retake guys, but you were used to heighten a lot of people's media profile). Regardless of what happens with the extended cut DLC, there will be no more high profile coverage of this in the media, it's old news and just a passing curiosity to those outside of the gaming community. Of course there will be attempts to re-ignite the passion this summer with the DLC, but the support (and interest) will be a fraction of what it was in March because most people will have moved on, and March 2012 will be known as that few weeks where everyone seemed to go a little silly.

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BloodyFleelancer wrote...

yes its dead ,Fans gave up and now waiting for ECDLC


Finally, this is the best course of action. :)

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Emzamination wrote...

BloodyFleelancer wrote...

yes its dead ,Fans gave up and now waiting for ECDLC


Finally, this is the best course of action. :)


Silly.

When the fans give up, Bioware stops having a consumer base.

I have a feeling that's not in Biowares best interest, tbh.<_<

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SalsaDMA wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

BloodyFleelancer wrote...

yes its dead ,Fans gave up and now waiting for ECDLC


Finally, this is the best course of action. :)


Silly.

When the haters give up, Bioware stops having a hater base.

I have a feeling that's in Biowares best interest, tbh.<_<


fixed that for you :D

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Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Her's the thing...if your paying attention to these posts, i've already stated i believe they made a HUGE mistake with the way that they ended the game, however, it is NOT my place to demand anything of them, I can voice my opinion, give feedback, but after that, it's THEIR game and THEIR choice to do something.

That is a consumers place, if you wish to demand a change? Become a franchise owner, or designer,  THEN you will have a say in what happens.


Your assertion falls apart on the fact that the consumers bought the game on highly specific statements made by EA prior to the release of the game,  some of them made on the day of release,  that were factually incorrect.

All that's ever been demanded is that EA deliver the product they very specifically and unambiguously described.

Which is quite honestly,  a consumer's responsiblity. 

Sentiments like yours will just end up producing nothing but ever more expesive games with fewer and fewer features until EA's dream of charging you $1 every time you reload your clip becomes a reality.


Uh, no. I've already stated that they did not give a game they claimed to have made, but we still bought it. if we aren't happy with it? We go somewhere else. simple fact. if you were to go watch a movie that highly anticipated, and its being claimed to be one of the greatest movies of all time...and when it comes out...it flops, do the people who bought tickets to it demand they re do part of the movie? NO, why? because they have the sensability to relize, its a STUPID notion, you don't like something, you go somewhere else.

You don't demand to change something when you have no place even saying how it should be in the first place.

I don't like the ending, but i enjoy the MP, so i play the MP. i didn't even restart the SP one i completeed it for the achievement on the 360, but i keep playing the MP because its entertaining, i have no plans to get the EC DLC because i've lost interest in the story after seeing the horrible job they did with the conclusion.


See,  here you touch on another key problem.

When a movie is reviewed,  the movie reviewer has no financial incentive to give the movie a rating in either direction.  The movie studio doesn't have the ability to influence his publication,  it can't prevent him from seeing the movie until it's too late,  he simply reviews the movie.  So if he pronounces a movie the "greatest movie of all time",  it's because he thinks it's the greatest movie of all time.

When IGN reviewed ME3,  one of their employees who was a part of the game and invested in it's success played a significant part.  When Gamespot and the other sites reviewed the game,  they knew that the number they gave it would affect the advertising dollars that are used to write their paychecks.  Review embargoes,  and the pressure to rate a game high so you can break it and get more traffic.  If you don't rate a game highly enough,  there's a very good chance you won't be able to review the next game until it's too late.

The Publishers tightly control the ratings in Gaming Journalism.  So if I had waited for the ME3 reviews,  I would've been told "It was the greatest game ever!" and they would've made no mention of any problems.

The entire gaming industry is designed to misinform a consumer and obtain their money before there's a chance for people to talk about what the game actually is.

So,  based upon that,  I feel your analogy isn't valid.  With Movies I have the opportunity to make an informed choice,  with gaming,  the Publishers go to great lengths to make sure I don't get information to make a choice.

So again,  I reiterate.  EA made highly specific false statements about the product they released,  as a consumer,  I have a right and responsibility to demand the product I was told I would receive.

Or to use an analogy in return,  if I order a Camaro,  and Chevy tells me I'll get a Red one.  The dealer tells me my red camaro is in,  and I go to pick it up and discover it's white,  I have a right and responsibility to demand the red one.  No matter how much the dealer insists that white is actually red,  and they didn't lie to me,  it's not my responsibility to just be quiet and take a white one. 

Releasing a bad game is one thing,  in that case,  sure your statements are correct.  EA intentionally spread disinformation in order to influence purchasing decisions.

That's a completely different type of issue.

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SalsaDMA wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

BloodyFleelancer wrote...

yes its dead ,Fans gave up and now waiting for ECDLC


Finally, this is the best course of action. :)


Silly.

When the fans give up, Bioware stops having a consumer base.

I have a feeling that's not in Biowares best interest, tbh.<_<


Neh, its the other way around, its not in the fan's best interest to give up on bioware.Bioware is one of the (if not) only companies to Incorporate full indepth romances into their Rpgs.Bethesda tried to step on bioware's turf by adding straight/gay "romances" to skyrim and failed hard.If bioware goes we can't get our fix and we'll all be feeling the pain of withdrawal.

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Edit: Double post

Modifié par Emzamination, 22 avril 2012 - 07:25 .


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Im in the new ending side, and im gonna be honest not expecting much from the EC. Theyll put about as much effort in as they with did the import buisiness, Talis face despite having amazing concept, the upholding of the established narrative in the ending, yeah basically itll be half assed - "Well we did something, right!?".

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Lynata wrote...

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I recognize a great loss of supporting threads about it

Thank the Maker. Perhaps the forum will slowly become a platform to discuss Mass Effect as a whole again.


If you want em to be about disgussing ME, dont use babylon 5 quotes :innocent:

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AJRimmsey wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

BloodyFleelancer wrote...

yes its dead ,Fans gave up and now waiting for ECDLC


Finally, this is the best course of action. :)


Silly.

When the haters give up, Bioware stops having a hater base.

I have a feeling that's in Biowares best interest, tbh.<_<


fixed that for you :D


Trying to make jokes about it doesn't make it less true.

That fans get angry is just a cause of the combination of Biowares poor PR with the degrading quality evident in their games.

:huh:

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Truth is there are more pressing matters then a ending of a computer game , even if bioware killed its own franchise .

LOL I just found out why people are so stupid nowadays .
Lord of Flies generation .

They are asking to be scammed fooled manipulated and then go into frenzy .
When they themself are the ones to be blaimed .

So for most people caring or not caring , It doesn´t matter society itself is one big scam .
That I can only just watch and laugh at , there is nothing else to do then laugh .
When morals and value has become so corrupted and changed , one can only laugh at it all .

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Emzamination wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

BloodyFleelancer wrote...

yes its dead ,Fans gave up and now waiting for ECDLC


Finally, this is the best course of action. :)


Silly.

When the fans give up, Bioware stops having a consumer base.

I have a feeling that's not in Biowares best interest, tbh.<_<


Neh, its the other way around, its not in the fan's best interest to give up on bioware.Bioware is one of the (if not) only companies to Incorporate full indepth romances into their Rpgs.Bethesda tried to step on bioware's turf by adding straight/gay "romances" to skyrim and failed hard.If bioware goes we can't get our fix and we'll all be feeling the pain of withdrawal.


You can play Sims if you want a dating sim. If dating sims are the only reason for supporting a company, I prefer not supporting it, tbh. 

And "withdrawal"? Huh?:huh: You honestly use that word about that? :?

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Is the retakeME3 movement dead?
http://www.holdtheline.com/
I do not think so.

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SalsaDMA wrote...

You can play Sims if you want a dating sim. If dating sims are the only reason for supporting a company, I prefer not supporting it, tbh. 

And "withdrawal"? Huh?:huh: You honestly use that word about that? :?


I could also play eroge or bishojo under that logic but then again those aren't Rpgs either.The point I was trying to make is a key factor in story telling is the hero/heroine being able to get the girl/guy at the end of their journey.romance isn't just about bow chicka wow wow.

Yes Fan girls/boys will rage hard with no romance options in game.