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[SalsaDMA]

Sarah Knight wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
  Games Do not get people "killed"

Tell that to the people that keep pulling the "he was playing violent games" card, whenever a random shooting happens:whistle:

not True  people that blame it on "video games" just like to blame it on them because of their "CHILDS STUPIDITY"
 that  their Child thought was  "cool and  more than likely thought  that people respawn cause of the games they played"   i know i put my statement again to your side but what you people dont understand is that We humans had Violence Long before Any movie or Video game was ever released  Hence  Roman Gladiator arena's  Med evil times with swords bows and axes  cannons  clevers etc   its in our nature  Like Tigers and other Wild animals  do for their "survival"   if we didn't know how to hunt we wouldn't of made it out of the "cave man"  nor know how to use the  Technology today  if we didn't learn it  from some one  or Something   But their is no "Accurate" proof to   have those Said parents to blame it on  Shooting companies  Like Treyarch bungie  343 industries  Ea  bioware T2k  Capcom etc  it was their Childs stupidity that caused it and them selves for not "Teaching" their child from right and wrong   on top of them  "abusing" their child as well  gauranteed 1-5 shootings  that  Child Was abused by his or her parent  their is Facts behind this Do the research.

Just to play devils advocate : The main argument of "games is the root of it" is basicly that it is subliminal conditioning of the recepient into having less empathy towards 'targets'. In blunt terms, it's about getting training into pointing your weapon at people and pulling the trigger without remorse. For most normal conditioned people, making the first downing is the hardest, where subsequently it gets easier and easier to shut off the part of you that says "no" the more you do it. The moving of 'war games' to sport more and more realistic graphics (inclduing stuff like 3dvision) makes for a more and more blurry line to the perceptory inputs.

The fact that the military spends money on 'simulation programs' to allow soldiers in virtual enviroments to interact with virtual people, should tell you something about the implications that virtual 'training' is perceived to have.

And now, back to the regular topic

No, I doubt Retake is dead, it's branching out from what I've heard, though.

[Althix]

well
honestly Me3 is full of bugs, glitches, flaws in logics etc.
some how i think that main story made by one man, and all those little stories with dlcs, crew members were made by some other person or persons.
because with out save import it's pretty easy to cheat krogans, destroy the quarians and move on to victory. and with out those little stories, full picture of ME3 end scene is not so lame as it looks now. Even Catalyst logic's makes sense tbh.
so i think endings are good, shepard's death is good too. universe is open for the new heroes and stories.

so i think it's a conflict between main story and personal story that was made by players is to blame here. And addiction to character is also have it's place i guess.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 23 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[ToaOrka]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...
I don't know what you think you were implying, but that's the problem with implying things: people can arrive to their own conclusions, not the ones you were hoping them to arrive at. By asking me to explain the endings, you're pretty much saying that I believe the endings are explainable, implying I don't totally hate them. Which I do, in case you hadn't picked up on that little fact.

I made an extended DLC of my post.  Hopefully it clarifies what I meant better.

I think you should make a post about the endings because Bioware said they're "listening," if too much talk leaves the subject of the endings, then we'd never really know what they're listening to would we?

It would really help if I could understand your "extended DLC" post from the odd way you worded it, but regardless, Bioware said a lot of things that didn't actually happen. You know, "You won't get an A-B-C ending," and all that jazz. The point I was trying to make is that if the movement were completely made up of people that were going to actually do what they said they were going to do by "holding the line", then people wouldn't have to ask if the movement was dead. It'd be obvious they weren't from their FB page, which has apparently gone silent. So I guess they and Bioware do have one thing in common; unfulfilled promises!

But no, seriously, I honestly think there are a majority of people who said they would hold the line and gave up as soon as the extended cut DLC was confirmed, and that was once again the only point I was trying to make aside from the fact that the only possible thing the movement might have done was convince Bioware (or possibly EA) to release DLC to explain their god-awful ending, which, in case you haven't noticed, I'm obviously not the only one that thinks the ending was garbage.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

ToaOrka wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...
I don't know what you think you were implying, but that's the problem with implying things: people can arrive to their own conclusions, not the ones you were hoping them to arrive at. By asking me to explain the endings, you're pretty much saying that I believe the endings are explainable, implying I don't totally hate them. Which I do, in case you hadn't picked up on that little fact.

I made an extended DLC of my post.  Hopefully it clarifies what I meant better.

I think you should make a post about the endings because Bioware said they're "listening," if too much talk leaves the subject of the endings, then we'd never really know what they're listening to would we?

It would really help if I could understand your "extended DLC" post from the odd way you worded it, but regardless, Bioware said a lot of things that didn't actually happen. You know, "You won't get an A-B-C ending," and all that jazz. The point I was trying to make is that if the movement were completely made up of people that were going to actually do what they said they were going to do by "holding the line", then people wouldn't have to ask if the movement was dead. It'd be obvious they weren't from their FB page, which has apparently gone silent. So I guess they and Bioware do have one thing in common; unfulfilled promises!

But no, seriously, I honestly think there are a majority of people who said they would hold the line and gave up as soon as the extended cut DLC was confirmed, and that was once again the only point I was trying to make aside from the fact that the only possible thing the movement might have done was convince Bioware (or possibly EA) to release DLC to explain their god-awful ending, which, in case you haven't noticed, I'm obviously not the only one that thinks the ending was garbage.

Added a little more

I think those people are on a "wait and see" or have already given up on Bioware upon hearing that the endings wouldn't be "changed"... only "expanded."

For the record, I too... think the ending was "garbage."

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 23 avril 2012 - 11:27 .

[Sarah Knight]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

i dont believe it was biowares Fault  i'm assuming they needed either budget Cuts OR  some one Released it "without knowing or did know what would happen"  Ex " PR you know that  this Said Game has   kissing romance and Shooting? "reporter" oh yea we did but is their something new that may get your fans into buying this said game?
PR Yes  their is We have Allot more   Scenes more dialogue than any games ending in history it will be a blockbuster" Reporter" oh really now? we'll just add this to our reports thank you"  PR your welcome"

Fans look on websites and thinks its in game "game releases" "fans disapointed  and flames at said  company" 
"companie denies it and then fires the Leaking PR and to keep a tighter leash on Said game"  its how i think might of happened with  the PR Department they could of  Leaked it and got fired for it well the one who "reported"   what was in this game  and bioware doesn't know how to adress it to us incase this does happen sure their still would be pissed off people but they wouldn't of had this much damage to their reputation   unlike EA  that constantly  lies and decieves us which is why their in So Deep in their butt puckers   that their losing ALLOT of Revenue.. but What EA should know  is


IF YOU LISTEN TO YOUR FANS AND EXPLAIN TO US IN DETAIL OR A SMALL ONE FOR THAT MATTER YOUD NOT LOSE YOUR REVENUE 
AND HAVE A GOOD SIZE CASH IN YOUR LITTLE POCKETS TO IMPROVE YOUR CRAPPY SERVERS
just saying any way


but its what i see on my perspective Allot of popular companies hit  a bad patch and Rep  but they recovered making up for their mistakes and are Still making money to this day and improving their work space and having "more" workers for more  deverse projects.

It is clear and away Bioware's fault.  Even with budget cuts, the ending could've made logical sense... and it does not.  That's the fault of Bioware, and only Bioware.  They have a chance to use a new budget (DLC) to make the ending better/closer to how they want (if you're implying that the ending is not how Bioware wanted it to be).  They should take it... and fans should push them to take it.

im Stating that bioware  More than likely had to "change" the ending because of that being  Leaked" to the Press  which   Said PR that  told the press was fired   in turn "change intended release dat from  december to feb then to March"    which it came out on the Same Month  that ORC   came out which also got bad reviews cause  its true  Raccoon city should of stayed "Nuked"  no matter how they look at it  or how they remake the franchise  but in my defense i liked orc   Me3 only For MP and a little bit for the SP    i dont mind the majority of the SP     Joker Jokes allot EDI   Liara  Losing her home you defending her  Javik being an @ss  hole lol..  but  The game had its good quircks and a few bad ones but  the thing is you guys should also focus on the MP as well not Just the campain theirs more than just All about SP..

MP Was Demanded by Allot of people and if  bioware did not listen we would not of had it but they did they put that into  ME3  which was  a first For the ME franchise Since ME2 only had one new feature "news and Dlc postings" Just like ME3 has  i love that feature to  and its Online play  but Try to look at it in a different light hun  maybe you'd   see past your view ? i know i did i use to hate a majority of my games till i had people explain it to me better which i myself i cant put what i want to say into words or voicing it.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Sarah Knight wrote...
im Stating that bioware  More than likely had to "change" the ending because of that being  Leaked" to the Press  which   Said PR that  told the press was fired   in turn "change intended release dat from  december to feb then to March"    which it came out on the Same Month  that ORC   came out which also got bad reviews cause  its true  Raccoon city should of stayed "Nuked"  no matter how they look at it  or how they remake the franchise  but in my defense i liked orc   Me3 only For MP and a little bit for the SP    i dont mind the majority of the SP     Joker Jokes allot EDI   Liara  Losing her home you defending her  Javik being an @ss  hole lol..  but  The game had its good quircks and a few bad ones but  the thing is you guys should also focus on the MP as well not Just the campain theirs more than just All about SP..

MP Was Demanded by Allot of people and if  bioware did not listen we would not of had it but they did they put that into  ME3  which was  a first For the ME franchise Since ME2 only had one new feature "news and Dlc postings" Just like ME3 has  i love that feature to  and its Online play  but Try to look at it in a different light hun  maybe you'd   see past your view ? i know i did i use to hate a majority of my games till i had people explain it to me better which i myself i cant put what i want to say into words or voicing it.

Ahh, and I don't mind giving them credit for that.  For the MP, I'm not a Gold subscriber, so I can't look at that at all.

As far as the game's story itself.  My problem isn't that I don't understand the ending... it's that I do.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 23 avril 2012 - 11:41 .

[Sarah Knight]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
  Games Do not get people "killed"

Tell that to the people that keep pulling the "he was playing violent games" card, whenever a random shooting happens:whistle:

not True  people that blame it on "video games" just like to blame it on them because of their "CHILDS STUPIDITY"
 that  their Child thought was  "cool and  more than likely thought  that people respawn cause of the games they played"   i know i put my statement again to your side but what you people dont understand is that We humans had Violence Long before Any movie or Video game was ever released  Hence  Roman Gladiator arena's  Med evil times with swords bows and axes  cannons  clevers etc   its in our nature  Like Tigers and other Wild animals  do for their "survival"   if we didn't know how to hunt we wouldn't of made it out of the "cave man"  nor know how to use the  Technology today  if we didn't learn it  from some one  or Something   But their is no "Accurate" proof to   have those Said parents to blame it on  Shooting companies  Like Treyarch bungie  343 industries  Ea  bioware T2k  Capcom etc  it was their Childs stupidity that caused it and them selves for not "Teaching" their child from right and wrong   on top of them  "abusing" their child as well  gauranteed 1-5 shootings  that  Child Was abused by his or her parent  their is Facts behind this Do the research.

Just to play devils advocate : The main argument of "games is the root of it" is basicly that it is subliminal conditioning of the recepient into having less empathy towards 'targets'. In blunt terms, it's about getting training into pointing your weapon at people and pulling the trigger without remorse. For most normal conditioned people, making the first downing is the hardest, where subsequently it gets easier and easier to shut off the part of you that says "no" the more you do it. The moving of 'war games' to sport more and more realistic graphics (inclduing stuff like 3dvision) makes for a more and more blurry line to the perceptory inputs.

The fact that the military spends money on 'simulation programs' to allow soldiers in virtual enviroments to interact with virtual people, should tell you something about the implications that virtual 'training' is perceived to have.

And now, back to the regular topic

No, I doubt Retake is dead, it's branching out from what I've heard, though.

Military Training is different  in many ways than "video games"   So what if  the miltary  Trains soldiers through Simulation  that is only their To help them understand the concept from  Friend and Foe  and  you can "recieve" weapon training through local  Gunshops that Do Sell guns  i purchased Several in my life time Some of Which are illegal in some states Due to their characteristics   but the point is its their "parents" fault  that they them selves Did not Tell their Kids " Dont  Copy the game  its only a game" and ended up buying  them without Them  Knowing the dangers of a childs Mind that is still Learning from right and wrong.

i grew up around Shooting Games  My  Eldest Sister  Told me not to copy it and had a Long Q&A with me on the Violence in the game that i've purchased   ive had shooting Games Since N64 Games and console came out.

The only Thing that i reinacted Was Arson   but Gaming Did not  cause it  it was morely due to my Needs and wants of a better family that understood me and Feeling like an outcast  so i was reaching out to the only way i knew how.

If parents had these Kind of Talks with their Children none of what happens today would happen   in the future  We ourselves need to teach our kids from right and wrong from the earliest age as possible and have a long discusion about it explaining them  about every choise in the game   Hell My eldest sister is one of the most stubborn  parents i ever had  and known  she would not  let me  get  a single one even i had to bugg the hell out of her to do so  and in the end  a day before my 13th bday came around i bugged her and made a compromise that i still keep to this day and explained to her why i have had "360 counts of arson and Destruction of computer property"  Hence What i was going to do to you   Gobeta  if i didn't re read   the post you sent me  on page 14? i think   any way its the parents fault  that these shootings happen and Salsa Your 100% Wrong  in your defense  Violence is in our nature  Majority of the humans   Ignore this instinct  if you dont   believe me you need to Look through history kid   Their was Violence Long before Gaming companies movie producers even Made their very first Product  as entertainment Hell in midwestern  times when you had Crappy pistols that has a very old Firing mechanism their was Violence cowboys use to  Shoot any one who looked at them wrong or challenged others to a shoot out   Or that shooting game of   one bullet in the gun and you and that person you played  with spins  the chamber and puts the gun to your head and pulls the trigger who ever dies loses and the one alive  wins    i think it was called Russian  rollette?  but they i think called it different terms if i recall.

Modifié par Sarah Knight, 23 avril 2012 - 11:57 .

[Sarah Knight]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
im Stating that bioware  More than likely had to "change" the ending because of that being  Leaked" to the Press  which   Said PR that  told the press was fired   in turn "change intended release dat from  december to feb then to March"    which it came out on the Same Month  that ORC   came out which also got bad reviews cause  its true  Raccoon city should of stayed "Nuked"  no matter how they look at it  or how they remake the franchise  but in my defense i liked orc   Me3 only For MP and a little bit for the SP    i dont mind the majority of the SP     Joker Jokes allot EDI   Liara  Losing her home you defending her  Javik being an @ss  hole lol..  but  The game had its good quircks and a few bad ones but  the thing is you guys should also focus on the MP as well not Just the campain theirs more than just All about SP..

MP Was Demanded by Allot of people and if  bioware did not listen we would not of had it but they did they put that into  ME3  which was  a first For the ME franchise Since ME2 only had one new feature "news and Dlc postings" Just like ME3 has  i love that feature to  and its Online play  but Try to look at it in a different light hun  maybe you'd   see past your view ? i know i did i use to hate a majority of my games till i had people explain it to me better which i myself i cant put what i want to say into words or voicing it.

Ahh, and I don't mind giving them credit for that.  For the MP, I'm not a Gold subscriber, so I can't look at that at all.

As far as the game's story itself.  My problem isn't that I don't understand the ending... it's that I do.

you can cancel your mem and go gold via the cards you can get up to i think 12months?  i did that for mine cause it was charging me double every month  and we had to cancel  it but one of the Text boards i had came with 12month and  a 400 msp   thing so you could do that to and be gold and try out  that for 12months?  and umm about my post that i  uhh Tagged your  "short name in"  i wasn't directing that at you was stating that if i didn't read your posting  idr what page it was when i said  that i'm sending you a virus but after i read it  i changed mind after.  was Stating that "salsa"  his little statement  was wrong  in his defense.

[Oransel]

Everyone is waiting till EC comes out. When it comes, flames will return with even more hating.

[Sarah Knight]

Oransel wrote...

Everyone is waiting till EC comes out. When it comes, flames will return with even more hating.

Yea well What can you do right?  it just bugs me that people do that over a game that wasn't "meant for pleasing" none of these games out their wer Yet  people flame over one little thing or more than one thing that they dont like it.

i Call that  human nature but Some just  Calls them just being idiots lawl....
but  they need to learn tho that no matter how many times they flame Bioware and keep these  flame threads/polls up its not going to change  their  View or Final Say  Them as a company "keep that final say"  we the consumer must live by it or never by another product made by Said company   Some Like it some done  we all have our own opinons of all this to be honest

[estebanus]

I think that most of them are waiting for the EC to come out.

Modifié par estebanus, 23 avril 2012 - 12:21 .

[The Exiled Paladin]

I like alot of others am waiting to see what the extended cut brings to the table in the summer, so I'm pretty certain the movement isn't dead.

So still here holding the line with a modicum of hope as to what the future brings.

[clipped_wolf]

Waiting.  Waiting. Waiting.
This is going to be interesting.  I am prepared to be underwhelmed by the EC, but I am prepared to enjoy the raging inferno these forums would turn into if I'm correctt, right before I leave.

Modifié par clipped_wolf, 23 avril 2012 - 01:03 .

[Oransel]

Sarah Knight wrote...

i Call that  human nature but Some just  Calls them just being idiots lawl....
but  they need to learn tho that no matter how many times they flame Bioware and keep these  flame threads/polls up its not going to change  their  View or Final Say  Them as a company "keep that final say"  we the consumer must live by it or never by another product made by Said company   Some Like it some done  we all have our own opinons of all this to be honest

There are 2 basic business strategies. "Don't like it, don't buy it" and "Client is always right". Most of the modern companies are of the first group, but second one is much more successful and popular. I believe that fans are right to defend their rights as consumers. We had enough of "it's our product - you are noone with money to give us".

[Sarah Knight]

Oransel wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

i Call that  human nature but Some just  Calls them just being idiots lawl....
but  they need to learn tho that no matter how many times they flame Bioware and keep these  flame threads/polls up its not going to change  their  View or Final Say  Them as a company "keep that final say"  we the consumer must live by it or never by another product made by Said company   Some Like it some done  we all have our own opinons of all this to be honest

There are 2 basic business strategies. "Don't like it, don't buy it" and "Client is always right". Most of the modern companies are of the first group, but second one is much more successful and popular. I believe that fans are right to defend their rights as consumers. We had enough of "it's our product - you are noone with money to give us".

Yea True enough   i just don't like to read or See these omments when i post  mine on a topic i was intending to do  in the first place >_<

[ReavCZ]

Hold. The. Line.

[Gravbh]

If we're lucky then the movement, just like the kid who didn't get picked first for kickball and threw a temper tantrum, took their ball and went home.

I don't think we're that lucky. This place should be fun after the EC is released.

[G00N3R7883]

I'm waiting on the Extended Edition DLC. Also real life stuff has taken me away from the forums.

But I guess I was never a hardcore Retaker, as my main complaints are the lack of companion closure and confusing nature of the ending cutscenes. I can live with the "destroy, control, synthesis" choice and the catalyst AI.

Oh, and the multiplayer link. I'm actually way more annoyed about the war assets, galactic readiness thing (and how it could be abused in future) than I am about the ending.

Modifié par G00N3R7883, 23 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[sendrant]

Waiting for the DLC

Raging the forum doesn't make sense at the moment. They told us we'll get some clarification. Now we have to wait. If we don't wait, we'll be the evil ones. While I don't think Bioware will be able so solve this mess in a satisfying way, I do think that I should be patient till the Extended Cut appears. Than (I guess) it will be time for my farewell-post to the Mass Effect series and Bioware...

But hey, perhaps they'll be able to surprise me, so that I'll view them as common RPG-Game producers in the future instead of a sinking ship, everyone should try to abandon as fast as possible...

[WaffleCrab]

sendrant wrote...

Waiting for the DLC

Raging the forum doesn't make sense at the moment. They told us we'll get some clarification. Now we have to wait. If we don't wait, we'll be the evil ones. While I don't think Bioware will be able so solve this mess in a satisfying way, I do think that I should be patient till the Extended Cut appears. Than (I guess) it will be time for my farewell-post to the Mass Effect series and Bioware...

But hey, perhaps they'll be able to surprise me, so that I'll view them as common RPG-Game producers in the future instead of a sinking ship, everyone should try to abandon as fast as possible...

they told us enough. they bring clarification but will not touch the ending  = mainly all major plotholes will be left unanswered, and the clarfications will mainly be B and C plotline clarifications. i say that alone is enough to make an assumption that the devs did not listen to the fans to maintain their "artistic integrity" at the expense of looking like total idiots saying "your choices will matter throughout the trilogy and have alot of weight on the ending".

Edit:

Its like playing a fallout game, watching the end cutscene and instead of closure, you will be given explanations to what happened to some random people in the wasteland you did not meet for a longer period of time than it took you to stare down the scope and pop their head off. Or how little billy(who you never met during the game but only heard a short mention of) whos raider daddy got murdered by you, grew up in the wastes to be a prominent male pro stitute. Or how a random dog you kicked around gave birth to a defected puppy instead of a healthy one because of the last kick you landed.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 23 avril 2012 - 04:38 .

[WaffleCrab]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

sendrant wrote...

Waiting for the DLC

Raging the forum doesn't make sense at the moment. They told us we'll get some clarification. Now we have to wait. If we don't wait, we'll be the evil ones. While I don't think Bioware will be able so solve this mess in a satisfying way, I do think that I should be patient till the Extended Cut appears. Than (I guess) it will be time for my farewell-post to the Mass Effect series and Bioware...

But hey, perhaps they'll be able to surprise me, so that I'll view them as common RPG-Game producers in the future instead of a sinking ship, everyone should try to abandon as fast as possible...

they told us enough. they bring clarification but will not touch the ending  = mainly all major plotholes will be left unanswered, and the clarfications will mainly be B and C plotline clarifications. i say that alone is enough to make an assumption that the devs did not listen to the fans to maintain their "artistic integrity" at the expense of looking like total idiots saying "your choices will matter throughout the trilogy and have alot of weight on the ending"

So basically you have no idea what's in it and are raging at Bioware because of what you think will be in it.

Sound logic.

i havent raged actually. I am disappointed and not holding the bar high, bioware itself said, that they would not touch the ending itself at all. Remember how the ending left all the major plotholes? I urge you to play the game again if you dont. That said bioware admits to not adressing the main storyline plotholes, but instead focuses on the trivial B and C storylines. Gues your not smart enough to understand that eh?:innocent:

[AlanC9]

WaffleCrab wrote...
i say that alone is enough to make an assumption that the devs did not listen to the fans

Um...... which fans? It's not like Retake ever had a coherent alternative plan.

I'm not a fan of IT, but at least those folks were specific about what they wanted Bio to do.

[WaffleCrab]

AlanC9 wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...
i say that alone is enough to make an assumption that the devs did not listen to the fans

Um...... which fans? It's not like Retake ever had a coherent alternative plan.

I'm not a fan of IT, but at least those folks were specific about what they wanted Bio to do.

well the clear majority of the poll voters (the polls retake movement endorsed/supported/linked), clearly said nothing else than a new ending would be a dissatisfactory. As changing the ending pretty much is the only way to explain away the gaping plotholes the ending left to the mainplot. And yeah, they were specific about what they wanted, atleast 80-90% of them were

Edit:

http://social.biowar...6/polls/28989/  this being one of the polls. seems pretty clear to me what they wanted to be done:whistle:

Also take this into consideration, only a fraction of frustrated people actually read and participate in the forums. It is a fact proven by economic and social sciences that only 1/10 complainers come forward with their opinion/reclamation. and considering the hoops you gotta jump through, i would not be surprised if the number in this case is closer to 1/15 or as high as 1/20.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 23 avril 2012 - 05:00 .