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[Justin2k]

The "Retake Gaming" movement will fail miserably to be honest.

The single only reason why Retake ME3 was the slightest bit a success is because that the extremists running it who think Bioware were guilty of bad business practise and should rewrite large sections of the game to their individual liking for free were backed by thousands of people who thought the ending were bad.

Retake ME3 was all over the place. I watched some girl on youtube asking for closure. I've seen people calling for new ending entirely. People calling for starchild written out.

They were just an aggressive annoying mob of people who all wanted different things. As for retake gaming, businesses are in business to make money, not for love. And that was the case even back in the day of the ZX spectrum.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Justin2k wrote...

The "Retake Gaming" movement will fail miserably to be honest.

It's already ushered in an Extended Cut (a project Bioware hadn't intended to make)... and they're doing it for free.  Even if the movement were to stop all-together right now, it was hardly a failure.


I personally think/hope that Bioware will realize just how much they dropped the ball while they're revisiting the ending (and make changes accordingly... for the sake of their artistic integrity)... like a college student revisiting their elementary school written stories.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 23 avril 2012 - 10:04 .

[Emzamination]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

The "Retake Gaming" movement will fail miserably to be honest.

It's already ushered in an Extended Cut (a project Bioware hadn't intended to make)... and they're doing it for free.  Even if the movement were to stop all-together right now, it was hardly a failure.


I personally think/hope that Bioware will realize just how much they dropped the ball while they're revisiting the ending (and make changes accordingly... for the sake of their artistic integrity)... like a college student revisiting their elementary school written stories.

They got an extended cut at the cost of dignity, hardly a victory worth bragging about.Cup cake protest? bbb? Lawsuites? Attacking Ea's stock? donating to charity not out of the goodnes of ones own heart but for a new video game ending? Canceling subscriptions to ToR while writting "I'll be back when we get a new me3 ending", not to mention Tor was created by a completely different bioware team. Bioware still has its Artistic "INTEGRITY".

[Gatt9]

Justin2k wrote...

The "Retake Gaming" movement will fail miserably to be honest.

The single only reason why Retake ME3 was the slightest bit a success is because that the extremists running it who think Bioware were guilty of bad business practise and should rewrite large sections of the game to their individual liking for free were backed by thousands of people who thought the ending were bad.

Retake ME3 was all over the place. I watched some girl on youtube asking for closure. I've seen people calling for new ending entirely. People calling for starchild written out.

They were just an aggressive annoying mob of people who all wanted different things. As for retake gaming, businesses are in business to make money, not for love. And that was the case even back in the day of the ZX spectrum.

I don't think you realize what this whole thing represented,  it was an outpouring of frustration with the current state of gaming and the industry practices,  on a pretty impressive level.  It is a clear sign that the customer base is increasingly frustrated with the producers,  and are getting ready to rebel.

This was a verbal manifiestation of why the industry has been posting negative growth for around 2 years now with only a couple of exceptions.

The next stage is the consumer "Rebellion",  which in practice is when consumers quit buying products all together.  It's the same force that has happened to TVLand,  when it oversaturated with reality shows.  The difference is,  TVLand can retool in a year or less.  Gaming needs 2-3 years to retool,  which is far too long.  EA for instance is the second biggest company out there,  and it could only sustain 1 year of losses similiar to what it took in the holiday quarter before folding,  it can only last half the time it needs to retool.

They got an extended cut at the cost of dignity, hardly a victory worth bragging about.Cup cake protest? bbb? Lawsuites? Attacking Ea's stock? donating to charity not out of the goodnes of ones own heart but for a new video game ending? Canceling subscriptions to ToR while writting "I'll be back when we get a new me3 ending", not to mention Tor was created by a completely different bioware team. Bioware still has its Artistic "INTEGRITY".

I'm not sure what's more impressive...how many times you're wrong...or how many times you mangled the english language with the things you're wrong about.

"Retakers" had nothing to do with the BBB article.  Nor did Retakers "Attack EA's stock",  I'm pretty sure Retakers didn't short EA's stock en masse.  I'm also a little fuzzy on how cancelling a ToR subscription in protest is wrong,  are you trying to claim we all have a civic duty to buy ToR?

No,  EA does not have "Artistic integrity",  they threw that out when they misrepresented their product.  Nevermind the fact that "Artistic integrity" is a red herring thrown out to try and put a PR spin on a bad ending,  since they weren't terribly worried about "Artistic integrity" when they implemented Online Pass in such a way as to impact the narrative.

[The Razman]

Gatt9 wrote...

No,  EA does not have "Artistic integrity",  they threw that out when they misrepresented their product.  Nevermind the fact that "Artistic integrity" is a red herring thrown out to try and put a PR spin on a bad ending,  since they weren't terribly worried about "Artistic integrity" when they implemented Online Pass in such a way as to impact the narrative.

Ah yes, "artistic integrity was a red herring". We have dismissed that claim.

(See what I did thar?)

Artistic integrity was never cited as a defence of anything. It was cited as a reason for not changing the endings.

[Capone666]

Here are a few interviews I produced with organizers of the movement.

The originator and facebook page created is a reasonable and understanding guy who apprreciates what Bioware is doing and is trying to rally together individuals to work with him, Click HERE to listen.

and as well the administartos of the very comprehensive websites holdtheline.com are creating an amazing resource for those who feel wrong by Bioware to work together.  Click here for that.

Thousands are still around, they are still involved. It's up to you whether or not you ever thought they were worth your time.

[WaffleCrab]

Despite the tone of this vid, he explains all the major problems clearly.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Emzamination wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

The "Retake Gaming" movement will fail miserably to be honest.

It's already ushered in an Extended Cut (a project Bioware hadn't intended to make)... and they're doing it for free.  Even if the movement were to stop all-together right now, it was hardly a failure.


I personally think/hope that Bioware will realize just how much they dropped the ball while they're revisiting the ending (and make changes accordingly... for the sake of their artistic integrity)... like a college student revisiting their elementary school written stories.

They got an extended cut at the cost of dignity, hardly a victory worth bragging about.Cup cake protest? bbb? Lawsuites? Attacking Ea's stock? donating to charity not out of the goodnes of ones own heart but for a new video game ending? Canceling subscriptions to ToR while writting "I'll be back when we get a new me3 ending", not to mention Tor was created by a completely different bioware team. Bioware still has its Artistic "INTEGRITY".

The "movement" didn't EARN anything, they moaned and groaned their little panties off till bioware got sick of it and did something.
You want a REAL result?? Be a REAL person! Use REAL common sense! keep your integrity and simply give the well deserved feedback that they ASK for!! THey ASK us how we feel about a game, answer that question, and leave it at that, they will prove on their own what kind o fcompany they are.

One can't prove who they are when they're being told what to do.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 24 avril 2012 - 01:14 .

[AJRimmsey]

Capone666 wrote...

Here are a few interviews I produced with organizers of the movement.

The originator and facebook page created is a reasonable and understanding guy who apprreciates what Bioware is doing and is trying to rally together individuals to work with him, Click HERE to listen.

and as well the administartos of the very comprehensive websites holdtheline.com are creating an amazing resource for those who feel wrong by Bioware to work together.  Click here for that.

Thousands are still around, they are still involved. It's up to you whether or not you ever thought they were worth your time.

question:

whats the difference between regurgitating retoric and a real "interview" ?

answer: the interviewer should be impartial

result...someone who claims an "interview" holds any validity


retake didnt die,it split and commited mass sepuku .

it also wrecked any hope any off shoot org being taken seriously due to the stupidity of some members.

[Yajuu Omoi]

The Razman wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

No,  EA does not have "Artistic integrity",  they threw that out when they misrepresented their product.  Nevermind the fact that "Artistic integrity" is a red herring thrown out to try and put a PR spin on a bad ending,  since they weren't terribly worried about "Artistic integrity" when they implemented Online Pass in such a way as to impact the narrative.

Ah yes, "artistic integrity was a red herring". We have dismissed that claim.

(See what I did thar?)

Artistic integrity was never cited as a defence of anything. It was cited as a reason for not changing the endings.

THEY are the artists of the game, they kept their integrity by standing behind their work, dispite people crying about it calling it "bad"
If they had re-written their story because someone thought it wasn't good, they would've INSTANTLY lost all integrity they had as designers.

I personally am proud of them for doing what they did.

[Yajuu Omoi]

SalsaDMA wrote...

The fact that the military spends money on 'simulation programs' to allow soldiers in virtual enviroments to interact with virtual people, should tell you something about the implications that virtual 'training' is perceived to have.

I've BEEN in a US Army Virtual Training Unit. It has NOTHING to do with conditioning, its all about what to do when, and where.
The conditioning comes from being around the rifles as they are used, cleaned, etc. I had never shot a gun in my life when i went, and the first day they had us fire...i was shaking, i've played shooting games as long as they've been out, since quake. Doesn't mean i can just go kill someone. Just means my mind is already packed with ideas of what to do to avoid dying.

THATS what those VTS's are about, surviving, not killing.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 24 avril 2012 - 01:21 .

[_aLucidMind_]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

No,  EA does not have "Artistic integrity",  they threw that out when they misrepresented their product.  Nevermind the fact that "Artistic integrity" is a red herring thrown out to try and put a PR spin on a bad ending,  since they weren't terribly worried about "Artistic integrity" when they implemented Online Pass in such a way as to impact the narrative.

Ah yes, "artistic integrity was a red herring". We have dismissed that claim.

(See what I did thar?)

Artistic integrity was never cited as a defence of anything. It was cited as a reason for not changing the endings.

THEY are the artists of the game, they kept their integrity by standing behind their work, dispite people crying about it calling it "bad"
If they had re-written their story because someone thought it wasn't good, they would've INSTANTLY lost all integrity they had as designers.

I personally am proud of them for doing what they did.

Considering BioWare is a company and is dependant on making a profit (which is required to please EA, making BioWare dependant on EA as well) in order to continue their work, they never had artistic integrity because that requires total independance.

Modifié par _aLucidMind_, 24 avril 2012 - 01:25 .

[Emzamination]

Gatt9 wrote...

They got an extended cut at the cost of dignity, hardly a victory worth bragging about.Cup cake protest? bbb? Lawsuites? Attacking Ea's stock? donating to charity not out of the goodnes of ones own heart but for a new video game ending? Canceling subscriptions to ToR while writting "I'll be back when we get a new me3 ending", not to mention Tor was created by a completely different bioware team. Bioware still has its Artistic "INTEGRITY".

I'm not sure what's more impressive...how many times you're wrong...or how many times you mangled the english language with the things you're wrong about.

"Retakers" had nothing to do with the BBB article.  Nor did Retakers "Attack EA's stock",  I'm pretty sure Retakers didn't short EA's stock en masse.  I'm also a little fuzzy on how cancelling a ToR subscription in protest is wrong,  are you trying to claim we all have a civic duty to buy ToR?

No,  EA does not have "Artistic integrity",  they threw that out when they misrepresented their product.  Nevermind the fact that "Artistic integrity" is a red herring thrown out to try and put a PR spin on a bad ending,  since they weren't terribly worried about "Artistic integrity" when they implemented Online Pass in such a way as to impact the narrative.

 

Lol I mangle the english language?? I can hardly be blamed for using "big" words that extend past your bantam vocabulary. I'm curious as to how many times I've been wrong tho, seeing as you never called me out on it, keep in mind that this does not include when my opinion differs from your own but based on facts.

Retakers had nothing to do with the bbb getting involved huh? Nor did they have anything to do with attacking Ea's stock.If you hadn't just glanced my statement, you would see I said nothing about you having to buy ToR.However my statement does imply it made no sense to attack a team and game that had absolutely nothing to do with me3, no? I love how some people always rush into a thread foot in mouth first.

I'm not even going to bother with shutting down the rest of that statement, seeing as its based on you giving your opinion from your corporate executive office.Ea/bio have sooo much artistic "INTEGRITY".

[Emzamination]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

The "Retake Gaming" movement will fail miserably to be honest.

It's already ushered in an Extended Cut (a project Bioware hadn't intended to make)... and they're doing it for free.  Even if the movement were to stop all-together right now, it was hardly a failure.


I personally think/hope that Bioware will realize just how much they dropped the ball while they're revisiting the ending (and make changes accordingly... for the sake of their artistic integrity)... like a college student revisiting their elementary school written stories.

They got an extended cut at the cost of dignity, hardly a victory worth bragging about.Cup cake protest? bbb? Lawsuites? Attacking Ea's stock? donating to charity not out of the goodnes of ones own heart but for a new video game ending? Canceling subscriptions to ToR while writting "I'll be back when we get a new me3 ending", not to mention Tor was created by a completely different bioware team. Bioware still has its Artistic "INTEGRITY".

The "movement" didn't EARN anything, they moaned and groaned their little panties off till bioware got sick of it and did something.
You want a REAL result?? Be a REAL person! Use REAL common sense! keep your integrity and simply give the well deserved feedback that they ASK for!! THey ASK us how we feel about a game, answer that question, and leave it at that, they will prove on their own what kind o fcompany they are.

One can't prove who they are when they're being told what to do.

Its nice to see some people in this community still have some common sense.

[Documental]

I had to stop listening to that interview, it was just ****ing cringeworthy. When he said that they didn't see Bioware as the enemy I chuckled because that is the complete opposite of what I've seen on here over the past month.

Secondly is when he said that they want to work with BioWare on the game. Sorry but when did ME3 suddenly become an open source product!? It's BioWare/EA's product, which means that is theirs to work on in their vision. Sure the ending wasn't great but it was their ending and that's how they saw it finishing, if you didn't like it then it's kinda tough luck, and I mean they're adding the DLC which is nice of them to do.

[AJRimmsey]

Documental wrote...

Secondly is when he said that they want to work with BioWare on the game.

.

laughed loud at that,as the mental image came of bioware asking "what can you do ?"

answered by "ermmm..we could make the tea and tell you how to create games"


all that was missing was a request that bioware pay them to come work at bioware,and ignore the total lack of experience or knowledge,or they would organise more moaning.

[Yajuu Omoi]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

No,  EA does not have "Artistic integrity",  they threw that out when they misrepresented their product.  Nevermind the fact that "Artistic integrity" is a red herring thrown out to try and put a PR spin on a bad ending,  since they weren't terribly worried about "Artistic integrity" when they implemented Online Pass in such a way as to impact the narrative.

Ah yes, "artistic integrity was a red herring". We have dismissed that claim.

(See what I did thar?)

Artistic integrity was never cited as a defence of anything. It was cited as a reason for not changing the endings.

THEY are the artists of the game, they kept their integrity by standing behind their work, dispite people crying about it calling it "bad"
If they had re-written their story because someone thought it wasn't good, they would've INSTANTLY lost all integrity they had as designers.

I personally am proud of them for doing what they did.

Considering BioWare is a company and is dependant on making a profit (which is required to please EA, making BioWare dependant on EA as well) in order to continue their work, they never had artistic integrity because that requires total independance.

No, it doesn't. It simply requires one to stand by their work. an artist can be hired to do a piece of art, and if they are then told it looks horrible, but they stand by the piece they made, they are defending their artistic views, thereby keeping their integrity.

Bioware did just that. EA conscripted them to make a game, they were then told it was bad, and when they stood by their game, though admitting their faults, while still keeping the piece to its original design, they KEPT their artistic integrity.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 24 avril 2012 - 03:08 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

Emzamination wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

The "Retake Gaming" movement will fail miserably to be honest.

It's already ushered in an Extended Cut (a project Bioware hadn't intended to make)... and they're doing it for free.  Even if the movement were to stop all-together right now, it was hardly a failure.


I personally think/hope that Bioware will realize just how much they dropped the ball while they're revisiting the ending (and make changes accordingly... for the sake of their artistic integrity)... like a college student revisiting their elementary school written stories.

They got an extended cut at the cost of dignity, hardly a victory worth bragging about.Cup cake protest? bbb? Lawsuites? Attacking Ea's stock? donating to charity not out of the goodnes of ones own heart but for a new video game ending? Canceling subscriptions to ToR while writting "I'll be back when we get a new me3 ending", not to mention Tor was created by a completely different bioware team. Bioware still has its Artistic "INTEGRITY".

The "movement" didn't EARN anything, they moaned and groaned their little panties off till bioware got sick of it and did something.
You want a REAL result?? Be a REAL person! Use REAL common sense! keep your integrity and simply give the well deserved feedback that they ASK for!! THey ASK us how we feel about a game, answer that question, and leave it at that, they will prove on their own what kind o fcompany they are.

One can't prove who they are when they're being told what to do.

Its nice to see some people in this community still have some common sense.

:happy: And thus to you!

[Yajuu Omoi]

Documental wrote...

I had to stop listening to that interview, it was just ****ing cringeworthy. When he said that they didn't see Bioware as the enemy I chuckled because that is the complete opposite of what I've seen on here over the past month.

Secondly is when he said that they want to work with BioWare on the game. Sorry but when did ME3 suddenly become an open source product!? It's BioWare/EA's product, which means that is theirs to work on in their vision. Sure the ending wasn't great but it was their ending and that's how they saw it finishing, if you didn't like it then it's kinda tough luck, and I mean they're adding the DLC which is nice of them to do.

^THIS

[thunderhawk862002]

The Razman wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

No,  EA does not have "Artistic integrity",  they threw that out when they misrepresented their product.  Nevermind the fact that "Artistic integrity" is a red herring thrown out to try and put a PR spin on a bad ending,  since they weren't terribly worried about "Artistic integrity" when they implemented Online Pass in such a way as to impact the narrative.

Ah yes, "artistic integrity was a red herring". We have dismissed that claim.

(See what I did thar?)

Artistic integrity was never cited as a defence of anything. It was cited as a reason for not changing the endings.

Alright then they lack integrity pure and simple.

Edit:  I should say anyone who falsely claimed something that would be in the game that isn't actually there has no integrity.  

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 24 avril 2012 - 03:26 .

[Gatt9]

The Razman wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

No,  EA does not have "Artistic integrity",  they threw that out when they misrepresented their product.  Nevermind the fact that "Artistic integrity" is a red herring thrown out to try and put a PR spin on a bad ending,  since they weren't terribly worried about "Artistic integrity" when they implemented Online Pass in such a way as to impact the narrative.

Ah yes, "artistic integrity was a red herring". We have dismissed that claim.

(See what I did thar?)

Artistic integrity was never cited as a defence of anything. It was cited as a reason for not changing the endings.

Edit:  Nevermind,  the whole anti-retake organization is working this thread hard.  Not worth my time to sit here and deal with the multiple-logins anymore.

Edit 2:  You guys could make it a little harder.  I can already tell which accounts are owned by the same persons.

Modifié par Gatt9, 24 avril 2012 - 03:43 .