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[TheBlackBaron]

AlanC9 wrote...

I wouldn't mind him making that charge if he'd actually name names. I'm not sure who are supposed to be the originals and who are supposed to be the sock puppets.

But don't you see? They all sock puppet for each other. It's part of the conspiracy, man. The truth is out there. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I wouldn't mind him making that charge if he'd actually name names. I'm not sure who are supposed to be the originals and who are supposed to be the sock puppets.

But don't you see? They all sock puppet for each other. It's part of the conspiracy, man. The truth is out there. 

Maybe some of us sock puppet as some of them, and vice versa, just to keep things things going and going and going and going. THE CONSPIRACY IS BIGGER THAN YOU THINK, OMG!

[Sarah Knight]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I wouldn't mind him making that charge if he'd actually name names. I'm not sure who are supposed to be the originals and who are supposed to be the sock puppets.

But don't you see? They all sock puppet for each other. It's part of the conspiracy, man. The truth is out there. 

Maybe some of us sock puppet as some of them, and vice versa, just to keep things things going and going and going and going. THE CONSPIRACY IS BIGGER THAN YOU THINK, OMG!

Eh to me this Anti Ending Scheme needs to end What most people Dont understand is that it takes Time and Money  Just to  Make the games which is why bioware is doing the Extended cut  for closure and not "rewriting" the entire  Series where their are  a vast Majority  "over the little cry babies who dont get their  way" "including the shepard  deserves a better ending and all those other banners out their"   but as i was  Saying theirs Allot of people Who Like the game itself and who actually "aproached and played every ME franchise with an open and clear mind"  not by Listening to Some Press or PR that may of "leaked" it in the first place  when he or she was not supposed to which would indeed Ruin it for the Fans.

Every Game out todate  Was never "leaked" in full detail which is more than likely what happened to  BW's  ME3 or needed budget cuts  because of other "multiple"  projects that they have going on  Their are Allot Of other game companies that Did the same thing that bioware is doing  and also Got bad reviews on their games.

Ex Brink  that Game blows worse than  Bw's Me3 and look at the trailers that they had in concept  for   Brink? didn't look like the damn Game now did it? let alone doing the things that you see in the game trailer? 

the point is Bioware and every other Game Company Current to date does "deny" or  doesn't fully comply with it till their Next "TITLE RELEASE"   ME3 will not be the last game of its franchise becase you babies cried and didn't get your way  the majority of us "TRUE"  fans will more than likely fine Closure in the EC itself or already has with the ending that is their  Not to mention what you babies also didn't NOTICE  is that ME3  has its First EVER MP experience that every one using "Gold" Can experience  the Detail of the MP  "minus a few bugs here and their"  all games have bugs in MP or SP when it comes out regardless of what you may say  "hence the constant updates for every game current to date" but  if you don't like the ending Do the True fans a favor Stop Complaining  Leave The threads and stop buying  Games from bioware  the only thing that its pointing out as one guy stated "your only Making Fools of yourselves for carrying a dead thread on"  "hence the retake ME# movement" your not going to get your way till the next release   Sad  but its true  every Game company as i stated "will not improved on its final product but only Release it as DLC" but will improve on next title release. So Grab your Tampons  Put them in and Enjoy the ride or dont  and leave the forum for good because all your going to get is negative backlash from the true fans of Mass Effect.

Also  i don't care if this is a no spoiler thread   5k + on one of the 3  options you get to choose from Shepard does LIVE So  the shepard deserve a better ending   nice Epic fail btw

Modifié par Sarah Knight, 24 avril 2012 - 10:16 .

[SalsaDMA]

Chris Priestly wrote...

You dropped your tinfoil hat, Salsa.

I'm not saying All the pro-trolls are, that would be naive to think. human nature leads to some ending up doing EA's dirty work all by themselves.

Claiming EA doesn't have people to do viral forum marketing would be just as naive as to think all pro-trolls were paid, though. No tinfoil hat needed there, it's just part of the way to do business in these days and this age. Some of them are more 'elegant' than others, however.

Easiest 'non-elegant' example to point to, without getting dragged into a flamewar, would be to remind about the notable incident with DA2 when a 'user review' was found out to originate from the company itself.

Edit: Also, Chris, I would think you should be above remarks like that.

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 24 avril 2012 - 10:14 .

[Unit-Alpha]

No, we're just quieter. Waiting.

[Blastback]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

No, we're just quieter. Waiting.

WTF!?

[thunderhawk862002]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

You dropped your tinfoil hat, Salsa.

I'm not saying All the pro-trolls are, that would be naive to think. human nature leads to some ending up doing EA's dirty work all by themselves.

Claiming EA doesn't have people to do viral forum marketing would be just as naive as to think all pro-trolls were paid, though. No tinfoil hat needed there, it's just part of the way to do business in these days and this age. Some of them are more 'elegant' than others, however.

Easiest 'non-elegant' example to point to, without getting dragged into a flamewar, would be to remind about the notable incident with DA2 when a 'user review' was found out to originate from the company itself.

Edit: Also, Chris, I would think you should be above remarks like that.

Did anyone ever find out if the viral marketing thing was true?

[Gatt9]

AlanC9 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
Edit:  Nevermind,  the whole anti-retake organization is working this thread hard.  Not worth my time to sit here and deal with the multiple-logins anymore.

Edit 2:  You guys could make it a little harder.  I can already tell which accounts are owned by the same persons.

quick,our numbers are dwindling.... invent an anti retake movement,then add a multi account rumour....people will believe if we state it often enough,it worked with all the other schemes.

:D:D:D:D

I wouldn't mind him making that charge if he'd actually name names. I'm not sure who are supposed to be the originals and who are supposed to be the sock puppets.

I'm not an idiot,  I know better than to make direct statements in an open forum.

If you want the answers,  go back through the board.  Check the BBB,  FTC,  Endings,  "Artistic Integrity",  and PR threads.  You'll notice that in each,  there'll be two posters,  one supportive and one beligerent.  You'll find that the usernames generally handle specific topics without crossover. 

Watch the post times as well,  You'll not only find that the names pick up "Dangerous" new topics impossibly fast,  as if they knew the announcements were coming,  but you'll also find that specific usernnames do not post at the same time.  You'll never find name A posting on any threads when name B is posting,  you'll find name A disappears for the duration of name B's activity.  

Then watch the posting styles,  you'll find specific usernames respond to criticism in identical ways,  and you'll find they handle arguements in identical ways.

Finally,  watch their intent on the thread.  The first thing they'll consistently try to do is derail the topic,  and then when that fails,  they'll work to start a flame war to get the topic locked.

It's all pretty classic techniques for manipulating a internet forum,  you can google it.

Again,  I'll reiterate,  I'm not saying EA has anything to do with it.  TBH,  given the sloppiness of it,  I doubt highly EA has anything to do with it.  I'd be more inclined to guess it's either journalists trying to stamp out the fire,  or a grass roots group of users,  leaning towards a grass roots group of users.

Modifié par Gatt9, 24 avril 2012 - 10:50 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Gatt9 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
Edit:  Nevermind,  the whole anti-retake organization is working this thread hard.  Not worth my time to sit here and deal with the multiple-logins anymore.

Edit 2:  You guys could make it a little harder.  I can already tell which accounts are owned by the same persons.

quick,our numbers are dwindling.... invent an anti retake movement,then add a multi account rumour....people will believe if we state it often enough,it worked with all the other schemes.

:D:D:D:D

I wouldn't mind him making that charge if he'd actually name names. I'm not sure who are supposed to be the originals and who are supposed to be the sock puppets.

I'm not an idiot,  I know better than to make direct statements in an open forum.

If you want the answers,  go back through the board.  Check the BBB,  FTC,  Endings,  "Artistic Integrity",  and PR threads.  You'll notice that in each,  there'll be two posters,  one supportive and one beligerent.  You'll find that the usernames generally handle specific topics without crossover. 

Watch the post times as well,  You'll not only find that the names pick up "Dangerous" new topics impossibly fast,  as if they knew the announcements were coming,  but you'll also find that specific usernnames do not post at the same time.  You'll never find name A posting on any threads when name B is posting,  you'll find name A disappears for the duration of name B's activity.  

Then watch the posting styles,  you'll find specific usernames respond to criticism in identical ways,  and you'll find they handle arguements in identical ways.

Finally,  watch their intent on the thread.  The first thing they'll consistently try to do is derail the topic,  and then when that fails,  they'll work to start a flame war to get the topic locked.

It's all pretty classic techniques for manipulating a internet forum,  you can google it.

Again,  I'll reiterate,  I'm not saying EA has anything to do with it.  TBH,  given the sloppiness of it,  I doubt highly EA has anything to do with it.  I'd be more inclined to guess it's either journalists trying to stamp out the fire,  or a grass roots group of users,  leaning towards a grass roots group of users.

Ah yes, the classic "I'm going to accuse a bunch of people of something, then not actually provide evidence of it, and just say OMG THEY ARE FOR SERIOUS YOU GUYS again and again and again until someone believes me".

Well done, well done.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Emzamination wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

At the cost of dignity?  It didn't
cost dignity, just their 2cs and outrage (plus a brief display of their
wallet size).  And what you just listed, are the most civil ways to
protest/speak out for change while actually getting attention that can
make a difference.

Bioware lost a great deal of their Artistic
"INTEGRITY" when they released that ending in the state that it was in
(I know that I won't be buying a Bioware game at full price any time
soon.. and others that don't even bother saying anything).  They can
regain their full integrity back by fixing it.  They owe it to
themselves to do that... and they have the opportunity to do it... a
very rare thing.

Bioware's reputation and standard for excellence took a large hit with this... no two ways about it.

You fail to mention just how bioware lost its integrity.

Put it in bold for you.  I also underlined the important parts.

[Kajan451]

Blastback wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

No, we're just quieter. Waiting.

WTF!?

And you thought Bad Horse was just a joke they made up for a show.

[Dagoth14]

Well besides expressing concerns greatly, what else have they done?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Far as I know, that was their whole point.

[Dagoth14]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Far as I know, that was their whole point.

Oh yeah, not to mention that one fan that complained to a commitee about the ending... lolz.

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...


He seemed very thorough and convincing. Given what i have experienced. 
Also seems like a description the way you do things. And to prove it he would have to find multilple links and big explainations and stuff.
And didn't you just get a thread locked earlier today, yes you did.

He seems very thorough and convincing to YOU because you already believe everyone who disagrees with you is a paid EA troll. All he's doing is throwing down a giant pile of crap and saying "OMG SEE GUYZ I TOLD YOU SO" without one shred of actual evidence. 

For someone who's so whiney about how BioWare "lied" to you, I'd honestly expect you to want actual proof when someone makes a generalization like that, but, I guess, it's okay if you're Anti-BioWare to say whatever you want without backing it up.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

At the cost of dignity?  It didn't
cost dignity, just their 2cs and outrage (plus a brief display of their
wallet size).  And what you just listed, are the most civil ways to
protest/speak out for change while actually getting attention that can
make a difference.

Bioware lost a great deal of their Artistic
"INTEGRITY" when they released that ending in the state that it was in
(I know that I won't be buying a Bioware game at full price any time
soon.. and others that don't even bother saying anything).  They can
regain their full integrity back by fixing it.  They owe it to
themselves to do that... and they have the opportunity to do it... a
very rare thing.

Bioware's reputation and standard for excellence took a large hit with this... no two ways about it.

You fail to mention just how bioware lost its integrity.

Put it in bold for you.  I also underlined the important parts.

You all just don't understand.
They have told us that they didn't know the players would care so much about the ending of a trilogy, so why not trust them?

Modifié par Kakita Tatsumaru, 25 avril 2012 - 12:20 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...


He seemed very thorough and convincing. Given what i have experienced. 
Also seems like a description the way you do things. And to prove it he would have to find multilple links and big explainations and stuff.
And didn't you just get a thread locked earlier today, yes you did.

He seems very thorough and convincing to YOU because you already believe everyone who disagrees with you is a paid EA troll. All he's doing is throwing down a giant pile of crap and saying "OMG SEE GUYZ I TOLD YOU SO" without one shred of actual evidence. 

For someone who's so whiney about how BioWare "lied" to you, I'd honestly expect you to want actual proof when someone makes a generalization like that, but, I guess, it's okay if you're Anti-BioWare to say whatever you want without backing it up.

He is convincing because of what i have experienced. I doubt that i ever said everyone, but i am suspicious of many. What he says is too consistant with my experience to be a pile of that. Evidence is all over the forums, anyone with a few weeks of experience could see what he says is quite true. I have the necessary amount of time on the forums to be able to tell that that is true.

Then I'll ask you the same thing I asked Gatt9: Which other accounts are "owned" by me? 

Follow-up: If I was a paid PR troll for EA, wouldn't I have ME3 registered on my account?

Additional follow-up: This account has been active since 09, have I been a paid PR troll this entire time, even in all the time where I made no posts and simply lurked?

[WaffleCrab]

EA PR Trolls or not, who cares. ME3 is still a turd, not just from the ending point of view. the whole damn game has a rushed feel to it >_<

[shepskisaac]

They're currently organizing M&Ms campaign to convince Bioware to change the ending.

Yes I know. It's ???????

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

...
1.Then I'll ask you the same thing I asked Gatt9: Which other accounts are "owned" by me? 

2.Follow-up: If I was a paid PR troll for EA, wouldn't I have ME3 registered on my account?

3.Additional follow-up: This account has been active since 09, have I been a paid PR troll this entire time, even in all the time where I made no posts and simply lurked?

numbered for my convenience
1. IDK, maybe you are good at keeping it secret. But then again, you might not have one and just derail and flame with that one account, you have done it before.
2. Part of your disguise

3. EA took control of that account and made it part of the troll army. Or yes. Or maybe their was no need to activate it while there was no uproar going on.

*bangs his head against the wall. repeatedly*

Oh good grief.